Heyer will Start against Giants

skinsfan_nn · 08-31-2008, 06:03 PM

On a side note it appears that this demotion is likely to stick as Jansen is listed as backup Right Tackle on the depth chart.

Heyer Named Starter At Right Tackle

Now Heyer has secured a position in the 2008 starting lineup.

“I’m excited to play,” Heyer said. “I have an opportunity to go out and play a big game. It’s the season opener and a lot of people will be watching.”

Heyer had entered training camp as the primary backup to left tackle Chris Samuels. He moved over to play right tackle in the preseason finale against Jacksonville as Jansen sat out with a foot injury.

Heyer’s performance in that game solidified his spot as the starter.

“I was prepared for anything, because so many things have happened for me,” Heyer said. “I viewed it as, ‘If you just go in and play your game, then whatever happens, happens.’

“It’s the coach’s decision to do what they feel is necessary for the team. All you can do is sit there and take it.”

Jansen, the longest tenured Redskin having joined the team in 1999, admitted he was “disappointed” to be benched.

“I still believe myself to be the right tackle here,” he said. “But it’s not going to be that way on Thursday and that’s what I have to deal with.”

On the team’s depth chart, Jansen is now listed as the backup right tackle to Heyer.

Jansen said his foot injury this preseason “is not an issue." He participated fully in Sunday’s practice, even lining up at left guard for one drill.

Zorn said he empathized with Jansen’s feelings on the matter. Getting demoted is something that Zorn experienced late in his playing career with the Seattle Seahawks.

“It can be trying,” Zorn said. “Things change, and now Jon has to be able to live up to that and keep working hard. He has to know that it’s not over for him.

“This is the ultimate team sport. He has to continue to help and push and be a pro. He has seen a lot of guys come and go. He’s not gone. He has to be ready.”

riggins44 · 08-31-2008, 06:32 PM

I think Heyer will do fine. He should be quicker than Jansen and the experience last year
will be invaluable. Jansen can extend his career by learning the guard positions.

skinsfan_nn · 08-31-2008, 06:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by riggins44

I think Heyer will do fine. He should be quicker than Jansen and the experience last year
will be invaluable. Jansen can extend his career by learning the guard positions.

There is a chance that is true.

However, I don't think Jansen will extend his career with the Redskins, I look for this to be his last year with the team.

ChillWill · 08-31-2008, 07:24 PM

Finally!!! This is no surprise. Jansen has been on the decline for 4 years. The film
does not lie. He's been getting destroyed for years. He's great in the locker room and a true warrior, but maybe he'll be better suited as a guard. I'm shocked it took this long to make this move. Heyer had really one bad game, against Kearney and who didn't last year. Todd Wade was better at RT than Jansen. It's not personal, just the truth. Let's move forward. He's in denial and a whole lot of Jansen supporters have been drinking the Kool-Aid.

ChillWill · 08-31-2008, 07:57 PM

Let this be a wake-up call to the rest of the under achieving players. It's not what you've done in the past, it's what have you done for me lately.

2BIG2BSKINNY · 08-31-2008, 08:15 PM

This is a first year coach move!!!

Zorn wants to get the attention of some of the vets around the park and get them to realize that if there play is not up to par, you are gone from the starting line-up. The owners can help dictate who is kept on the roster but Zorn will dictate who will play on Sundays... or Thursday!

Notice to all! Zorn will win or burn on his terms!

I like it!!!

I respect Jansen but his play recently has been bad! Get better from your injuries and work your a** off and get your starting gig back!!

djnemo65 · 08-31-2008, 08:16 PM

No controversy here, Jansen has been completely dominated. I kind of remember reading somewhere that Zorn was interested in cutting Jansen but that it was explained to him to be cap-prohibitive, at least this year.

He`s a great guy and a true Redskin and I`m sure he`ll continue to be a positive influence behind the scenes. I`m also pretty sure he`s gonna be called upon to contribute at some point during what will be a long season.

djnemo65 · 08-31-2008, 08:20 PM

I also think it is ridiculous to argue that this is intended to be a "wake up move." Jansen is not Brandon Lloyd, bumming around and not living up to his contract. He's just old and increasingly ineffective. If you were going to make an example of someone, which I don't think Zorn would, it wouldn`t be Jansen. This is about winning in week one, nothing more.

2BIG2BSKINNY · 08-31-2008, 08:52 PM

with no games played in Zorn's tenure this IMO is a reputation alone means nothing...he will make the moves that need to be made...like Jansen who was recently unproductive.
Zorn is not cutting Jansen just putting him on notice...elevate your game or you will be gone.

It may be miniscule move that needed to be done but a move that some in the past have not made. Jansen being the stand up guy he is will rebound and recover a bit and hopefully get better in the next couple of weeks...

If history says anything he will be called upon at some time for his services.

ChillWill · 08-31-2008, 08:56 PM

I think Jansen's teammates also recognized the demise of his play and made it known by not naming him as one of their captains.

GoSkins! · 08-31-2008, 09:44 PM

What I have not been able to get over is that Jansen seems so oblivious to his drop off in play. It is like he has blinders on when some "no name" DE is pancaking him on the way to a sack. If he would just once say something like "I haven't played at as high of a level yet as I need to, but I'm confident I will get there soon and win back my job. The rust from the injury and missing last year is almost off...", then I'd respect that.

What he does say is:

"It really doesn't matter how I grade myself,"
explanations were "nothing that I felt was reason enough."
I've felt I've done a good job this preseason. I didn't play very well against the Panthers, but neither did anybody else. Until then, I've had lot people in the organization tell me I was having the best camp I've ever had."

Sorry, but the guy just doesn't even see whats going on. He has a delusional self image. Maybe this makes him work harder and get back to being a good RT.

wilsowilso · 08-31-2008, 09:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GoSkins!

What I have not been able to get over is that Jansen seems so oblivious to his drop off in play. It is like he has blinders on when some "no name" DE is pancaking him on the way to a sack. If he would just once say something like "I haven't played at as high of a level yet as I need to, but I'm confident I will get there soon and win back my job. The rust from the injury and missing last year is almost off...", then I'd respect that.

Sorry, but the guy just doesn't even see whats going on. He has a delusional self image. Maybe this makes him work harder and get back to being a good RT.

Sort of similar thing happened with Olaf Kolzig and the Washington Capitals. Dude had the worst numbers of all starting goalies in the entire league and he was furious that he was replaced. Jansen isn't acting like a jerk or anything, but if he didn't have a clue that he needed to actually fight for his starting role then you can see exactly why he is no longer on the first team.

ChillWill · 08-31-2008, 10:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GoSkins!

What I have not been able to get over is that Jansen seems so oblivious to his drop off in play. It is like he has blinders on when some "no name" DE is pancaking him on the way to a sack. If he would just once say something like "I haven't played at as high of a level yet as I need to, but I'm confident I will get there soon and win back my job. The rust from the injury and missing last year is almost off...", then I'd respect that.

Sorry, but the guy just doesn't even see whats going on. He has a delusional self image. Maybe this makes him work harder and get back to being a good RT.

My Sentiments exactly. How could he watch himself on tape and think that he was playing well. How did Buges allow him to have such an unrealistic view of his play. As I watched a few practices it was very evident. Heyer played well against NY last year so I am confident he will do well again. Eventually Heyer will be a better run blocker as well.

budw38 · 09-01-2008, 07:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GoSkins!

What I have not been able to get over is that Jansen seems so oblivious to his drop off in play. It is like he has blinders on when some "no name" DE is pancaking him on the way to a sack. If he would just once say something like "I haven't played at as high of a level yet as I need to, but I'm confident I will get there soon and win back my job. The rust from the injury and missing last year is almost off...", then I'd respect that.

What he does say is:

"It really doesn't matter how I grade myself,"
explanations were "nothing that I felt was reason enough."
I've felt I've done a good job this preseason. I didn't play very well against the Panthers, but neither did anybody else. Until then, I've had lot people in the organization tell me I was having the best camp I've ever had."

Sorry, but the guy just doesn't even see whats going on. He has a delusional self image. Maybe this makes him work harder and get back to being a good RT.

No highly competitive athlete see's a drop off in their performance . Not Monk , Rice , Marino or D. Green . We have not played a meaningful game yet , nobody knows how well he would play if called upon . He may be going down hill , he might just give us on hell of a run , if called upon .

Beemnseven · 09-02-2008, 07:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GoSkins!

What I have not been able to get over is that Jansen seems so oblivious to his drop off in play. It is like he has blinders on when some "no name" DE is pancaking him on the way to a sack. If he would just once say something like "I haven't played at as high of a level yet as I need to, but I'm confident I will get there soon and win back my job. The rust from the injury and missing last year is almost off...", then I'd respect that.

What he does say is:

"It really doesn't matter how I grade myself,"
explanations were "nothing that I felt was reason enough."
I've felt I've done a good job this preseason. I didn't play very well against the Panthers, but neither did anybody else. Until then, I've had lot people in the organization tell me I was having the best camp I've ever had."

Sorry, but the guy just doesn't even see whats going on. He has a delusional self image. Maybe this makes him work harder and get back to being a good RT.

Well, let's not pile on Jansen because he didn't admit that he sucked. Not many players do that. If they do, that means they're starting to question their self-confidence; and when that happens their career is definitely over.

Also, when he said, "It really doesn't matter how I grade myself," all he's saying is that regardless of his own impressions, he realizes the coaches make the decisions. I also heard that he said something like, 'we're the players, they're the coaches'.

So he understands his role, it's not as though he's acting like a jerk or anything.

08-31-2008, 06:03 PM	#1
skinsfan_nn Playmaker Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Newport News,Virginia Age: 59 Posts: 4,495	Re: Heyer will Start against Giants On a side note it appears that this demotion is likely to stick as Jansen is listed as backup Right Tackle on the depth chart. Heyer Named Starter At Right Tackle Now Heyer has secured a position in the 2008 starting lineup. “I’m excited to play,” Heyer said. “I have an opportunity to go out and play a big game. It’s the season opener and a lot of people will be watching.” Heyer had entered training camp as the primary backup to left tackle Chris Samuels. He moved over to play right tackle in the preseason finale against Jacksonville as Jansen sat out with a foot injury. Heyer’s performance in that game solidified his spot as the starter. “I was prepared for anything, because so many things have happened for me,” Heyer said. “I viewed it as, ‘If you just go in and play your game, then whatever happens, happens.’ “It’s the coach’s decision to do what they feel is necessary for the team. All you can do is sit there and take it.” Jansen, the longest tenured Redskin having joined the team in 1999, admitted he was “disappointed” to be benched. “I still believe myself to be the right tackle here,” he said. “But it’s not going to be that way on Thursday and that’s what I have to deal with.” On the team’s depth chart, Jansen is now listed as the backup right tackle to Heyer. Jansen said his foot injury this preseason “is not an issue." He participated fully in Sunday’s practice, even lining up at left guard for one drill. Zorn said he empathized with Jansen’s feelings on the matter. Getting demoted is something that Zorn experienced late in his playing career with the Seattle Seahawks. “It can be trying,” Zorn said. “Things change, and now Jon has to be able to live up to that and keep working hard. He has to know that it’s not over for him. “This is the ultimate team sport. He has to continue to help and push and be a pro. He has seen a lot of guys come and go. He’s not gone. He has to be ready.” __________________ "There's no greater feeling than moving a man from Point A to Point B, against his will." #68 THANKS COACH GIBBS FOR EVERYTHING! YOUR THE MAN AND ALWAYS WILL BE!

08-31-2008, 06:32 PM	#2
riggins44 Special Teams Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Yorktown, VA Posts: 148	Re: Heyer will Start against Giants I think Heyer will do fine. He should be quicker than Jansen and the experience last year will be invaluable. Jansen can extend his career by learning the guard positions.

08-31-2008, 07:24 PM	#4
ChillWill Special Teams Join Date: Jun 2004 Age: 69 Posts: 151	Re: Heyer will Start against Giants Finally!!! This is no surprise. Jansen has been on the decline for 4 years. The film does not lie. He's been getting destroyed for years. He's great in the locker room and a true warrior, but maybe he'll be better suited as a guard. I'm shocked it took this long to make this move. Heyer had really one bad game, against Kearney and who didn't last year. Todd Wade was better at RT than Jansen. It's not personal, just the truth. Let's move forward. He's in denial and a whole lot of Jansen supporters have been drinking the Kool-Aid.

08-31-2008, 07:57 PM	#5
ChillWill Special Teams Join Date: Jun 2004 Age: 69 Posts: 151	Re: Heyer will Start against Giants Let this be a wake-up call to the rest of the under achieving players. It's not what you've done in the past, it's what have you done for me lately.

08-31-2008, 08:15 PM	#6
2BIG2BSKINNY Special Teams Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Franklin, TN Posts: 214	Re: Heyer will Start against Giants This is a first year coach move!!! Zorn wants to get the attention of some of the vets around the park and get them to realize that if there play is not up to par, you are gone from the starting line-up. The owners can help dictate who is kept on the roster but Zorn will dictate who will play on Sundays... or Thursday! Notice to all! Zorn will win or burn on his terms! I like it!!! I respect Jansen but his play recently has been bad! Get better from your injuries and work your a** off and get your starting gig back!!

08-31-2008, 08:16 PM	#7
djnemo65 Playmaker Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 2,836	Re: Heyer will Start against Giants No controversy here, Jansen has been completely dominated. I kind of remember reading somewhere that Zorn was interested in cutting Jansen but that it was explained to him to be cap-prohibitive, at least this year. He`s a great guy and a true Redskin and I`m sure he`ll continue to be a positive influence behind the scenes. I`m also pretty sure he`s gonna be called upon to contribute at some point during what will be a long season.

08-31-2008, 08:20 PM	#8
djnemo65 Playmaker Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 2,836	Re: Heyer will Start against Giants I also think it is ridiculous to argue that this is intended to be a "wake up move." Jansen is not Brandon Lloyd, bumming around and not living up to his contract. He's just old and increasingly ineffective. If you were going to make an example of someone, which I don't think Zorn would, it wouldn`t be Jansen. This is about winning in week one, nothing more.

08-31-2008, 08:52 PM	#9
2BIG2BSKINNY Special Teams Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Franklin, TN Posts: 214	Re: Heyer will Start against Giants with no games played in Zorn's tenure this IMO is a reputation alone means nothing...he will make the moves that need to be made...like Jansen who was recently unproductive. Zorn is not cutting Jansen just putting him on notice...elevate your game or you will be gone. It may be miniscule move that needed to be done but a move that some in the past have not made. Jansen being the stand up guy he is will rebound and recover a bit and hopefully get better in the next couple of weeks... If history says anything he will be called upon at some time for his services.

08-31-2008, 08:56 PM	#10
ChillWill Special Teams Join Date: Jun 2004 Age: 69 Posts: 151	Re: Heyer will Start against Giants I think Jansen's teammates also recognized the demise of his play and made it known by not naming him as one of their captains.

08-31-2008, 09:44 PM	#11
GoSkins! The Starter Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Yorktown, Va Age: 55 Posts: 1,587	Re: Heyer will Start against Giants What I have not been able to get over is that Jansen seems so oblivious to his drop off in play. It is like he has blinders on when some "no name" DE is pancaking him on the way to a sack. If he would just once say something like "I haven't played at as high of a level yet as I need to, but I'm confident I will get there soon and win back my job. The rust from the injury and missing last year is almost off...", then I'd respect that. What he does say is: "It really doesn't matter how I grade myself," explanations were "nothing that I felt was reason enough." I've felt I've done a good job this preseason. I didn't play very well against the Panthers, but neither did anybody else. Until then, I've had lot people in the organization tell me I was having the best camp I've ever had." Sorry, but the guy just doesn't even see whats going on. He has a delusional self image. Maybe this makes him work harder and get back to being a good RT. __________________ Not everything that counts can be counted, and not everything that can be counted counts. A. Einstien

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