Josh Johnson Named Tampa Bay Quarterback

[Dirtbag59]

Wow, Jason Campbell vs Jason Campbell. Who wins? Why older Jason Campbell of course.

[firstdown]

I keep hearing about our D showing up do you guys realize our O has scored only 30 points this year. Thats a whopping 10 points per game and two TD's came late in the game when it was all but over. Take those away and when games where still within reach we have scored 16 points and thats a little over 5 points per game and people are blamming our D.

[dmvskinzfan08]

Originally Posted by firstdown

I keep hearing about our D showing up do you guys realize our O has scored only 30 points this year. Thats a whopping 10 points per game and two TD's came late in the game when it was all but over. Take those away and when games where still within reach we have scored 16 points and thats a little over 5 points per game and people are blamming our D.

75% 3rd down conversion for the Lions. 9-11 on 3rd downs at one point. The whole team is to blame but the defense didn't show up yesterday either.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by firstdown

I keep hearing about our D showing up do you guys realize our O has scored only 30 points this year. Thats a whopping 10 points per game and two TD's came late in the game when it was all but over. Take those away and when games where still within reach we have scored 16 points and thats a little over 5 points per game and people are blamming our D.

Our D was pretty brutal yesterday, there's no getting around that. The offense last week did a really good job...except for when it counted

[Hog1]

I heard an interestring stat a minute ago. Doc's intern stated that during our 6-2 stretch last season the D averaged 18.1 points allowed p/game.
Since then it has allowed 18.2 p/game
Draw your own conclusions...........

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Hog1

I heard an interestring stat a minute ago. Doc's intern stated that during our 6-2 stretch last season the D averaged 18.1 points allowed p/game.
Since then it has allowed 18.2 p/game
Draw your own conclusions...........

Mine are already drawn. The problem with this team is the offense but people don't want to hear it.

[dmvskinzfan08]

Originally Posted by Hog1

I heard an interestring stat a minute ago. Doc's intern stated that during our 6-2 stretch last season the D averaged 18.1 points allowed p/game.
Since then it has allowed 18.2 p/game
Draw your own conclusions...........

I am interested in knowing what conclusions you have drawn....

Please share!!

[Hog1]

Originally Posted by dmvskinzfan08

I am interested in knowing what conclusions you have drawn....

Please share!!

The D has NOT taken on the personna I expected. I envisioned AH dragging three guys into the backfield while Arakpo threw the QB to the ground like a rag doll. THAT obviously is not happening.
BUT, if the D has not changed and we were winning (to a point) last season...what has changed.
Well, well maybe they aren't who we wanted yet, but they are good enough?
That obviously points to the O totally, and perhaps the D doesn't deserve.........ALL the bad press they have gotten

[dmvskinzfan08]

Originally Posted by Hog1

The D has NOT taken on the personna I expected. I envisioned AH dragging three guys into the backfield while Arakpo threw the QB to the ground like a rag doll. THAT obviously is not happening.
BUT, if the D has not changed and we were winning (to a point) last season...what has changed.
Well, well maybe they aren't who we wanted yet, but they are good enough?
That obviously points to the O totally, and perhaps the D doesn't deserve.........ALL the bad press they have gotten

You started off good then you lost me. Did you watch the game yesterday? Did you think our D looked good? At one point the Lions were 9-11 on 3rd down conversions.

You ever think that we were wining during that stretch because of the offense? Or better yet we were playing as a team and had each units back. Two things to keep in mind. During most of that stretch JC didn't have any interceptions (he's such a horrible QB -- end sarcasm). Here's a interesting stat with a minumum of 500 pass atempts JC threw the least ints in the whole entire NFL. Secondly Portis was running rampant. If he had kept on his pace he would have had close to 1,800 yrd rushing. If anything last year the offense saved the defense from itself during that stretch. We upgraded on D and they give up 0.1 more yards a game.

It works both ways. The offense keeps the D off the field when we produce long drives and the O gets more opportunities when the D stops the opposition on 3rd downs. So lets get back to my point. During the stretch when Portis got nicked up and we didn't produce a running game we lost some games not only because of the running game being slowed down due to injury and inefficent 2nd and 3rd string RBs but also our D couldn't stop squat. Yesterday they were horrendous. The O wasn't awesome but the D had them beat as far as playing like trash.

The D definitely is not getting a free pass on this ride buddy!

[SouperMeister]

Originally Posted by Hog1

The D has NOT taken on the personna I expected. I envisioned AH dragging three guys into the backfield while Arakpo threw the QB to the ground like a rag doll. THAT obviously is not happening.
BUT, if the D has not changed and we were winning (to a point) last season...what has changed.
Well, well maybe they aren't who we wanted yet, but they are good enough?
That obviously points to the O totally, and perhaps the D doesn't deserve.........ALL the bad press they have gotten

Orakpo can't get to the QB if he's chasing TE's. I still believe that it's a bad idea to move a guy to LB who played his entire college career on the D-line. Dallas tried this 30 years ago with Randy White, and realized the futility. White went on to become a Hall of Fame DT. I'm convinced that Orakpo can be a force in this league, but only if he plays his natural position (DE).

As for the overall D, I'm most troubled that they are allowing teams to convert 3rd down and long situations. The Giants killed our D on 3rd and long, which I can accept to a point given that they have a veteran QB. Allowing a rookie QB to consistently convert on 3rd and long is a BIG problem IMO. The Skins D led the NFL in 3 and outs last year. This year, the D is LAST in the league in 3rd down stops. If the D can't get off the field, the O has fewer posessions/scoring chances. Case in point: The Skins had THREE offensive posessions in the first half at Detroit.

[GoSkins!]

Originally Posted by Hog1

The D has NOT taken on the personna I expected. I envisioned AH dragging three guys into the backfield while Arakpo threw the QB to the ground like a rag doll. THAT obviously is not happening.
BUT, if the D has not changed and we were winning (to a point) last season...what has changed.
Well, well maybe they aren't who we wanted yet, but they are good enough?
That obviously points to the O totally, and perhaps the D doesn't deserve.........ALL the bad press they have gotten

If that is what we want to see, we should bring back Marty. We need a guy that will simply raise the bar for everyone.

[pg86]

Fuck the media....were gonna win this one huge if its DC's own Leftwich, Josh Johnson, Josh Johnsons mama or whoever in the hell the fuckaneers decide to play or fall to hell trying which is more than we did last game

GO SKINS!

Sorry Im so tired of hearing the damn news about how the skins won't win this cause they lost to the lions! I bet the Lions come in second to the Vikes in the division

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by pg86

I bet the Lions come in second to the Vikes in the division

haha

[Hog1]

Well, I don't think JC much like JZ are going to single handedly lead us to glory. They may be serviceable.....especially JC.
Gibbs best trait possibly was talent useage. He made incredible use of "decent" QB's and formed them into superstars. He did that by reinforcing the systems and people around them.
JC's support sucks.
the O-line, recievers, running game, etc are not working. Until they do we have no chance at the QB position, or success on Offense for that matter.
It can be done but JZ MUST adapt the personnel to THEIR skill sets, and draft/fa accordingly

[mooby]

I don't know what it is with Blache playing rookie or inexperienced quarterbacks like they're Peyton Manning or something but I do know whatever he is doing hasn't worked. Going up against a quarterback like a Matt Stafford in his third pro game or a Josh Johnson who's never started should signal a field day for our defense but it seems like Blache gives them too much respect, like he's afraid of them lighting us up like the Pats did in '07. I really wish he'd "throw the book" at them and make them play lights out against our d in order to win. He's not challenging them at all, as evidenced by Matt Stafford playing like a 5th year Pro Bowl qb against us, leading the friggin Lions down the field like they're the friggin Pats.