Redskins Add WRs Pierre Garcon and Joshua Morgan

[MTK]

I'm ok with Garcon's deal. He turned down $7M per year from the Colts, so naturally his price was only going to go up from there in free agency. I'd much rather give that type of money to a young player on the rise like him, than Vincent Jackson who is on the cusp of 30 and has off the field issues.

[Jontrem]

Originally Posted by IrMitchell

If Garcon has the ability to be a top 10 WR than so does about 50 other receivers.

I agree with everything else.

So you would rank 50 other WRs in the league as high or higher as Garcon?

[mredskins]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

I'm ok with Garcon's deal. He turned down $7M per year from the Colts, so naturally his price was only going to go up from there in free agency. I'd much rather give that type of money to a young player on the rise like him, than Vincent Jackson who is on the cusp of 30 and has off the field issues.

Exactly! Vinny signs Vjax, he made no sense for us. I like the idea of surrounding RGIII with young guys that will grow with him.


We paid for what Garcon can be vs. the Vinny days when we paid guys for what they were.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by freddyg12

Once contract details are revealed, I'll bet that these deals, like all B. Allen contracts, protect the team & will allow us to cut Garcon in future years w/out much pain. As usual, the #s reported are always eye catching.Free agency, especially the first couple days, always produces several bloated contracts. That's why players love it, it's not about who's the best & what they deserve, it's about who's the best available & what are you willing to bid. The first days of free agency are totally a sellers market.

I know that's stating the obvious and I know that it is relevant that Garcon is 8th highest paid, etc. Just don't get caught up in that too much. Instead, ask if the signing is right for the skins and I think it is. I'm so happy VJax is headed elsewhere. Garcon has upside. Love Josh Morgan, I said during his sr. year at VT that he was a guy that would make it. Steady role player, don't be surprised to see him on spec. teams.

very good point, it is all about the eye pop. Remember when we gave the extention to McNabb...people just focused on the big number, not the details

[IrMitchell]

Originally Posted by Jontrem

So you would rank 50 other WRs in the league as high or higher as Garcon?

Yeah, I think that's reasonable.

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by IrMitchell

Yeah, I think that's reasonable.

50? Wow start naming them lol.

[Monkeydad]

I love these signings. Instead of getting Jackson, we have two solid WR pickups, possibly three for the same price.


Notice what kind of WRs we're getting, Garcon and Morgan are HUGE yards-after-catch guys. Garcon's average is 2 yards better than V-Jax' YAC. These guys should make some huge plays with RG3. They're exactly the kind of WRs that fit with his deep ball ability.

Now, our WR group looks amazing:

Garcon
Moss
Morgan
Hankerson
Gaffney
Paul
Armstrong?

If we sign Royal, we may try to deal Moss, if not I'd remove Armstrong from the list, which is unfortunate because he's blazing fast. He drops too many TDs though. We need to hold onto Hankerson and Niles Paul though.


Now, we need to focus on Right Tackle and Safety....and London Fletcher.

[12thMan]

I think we're jumping the shark on Garcon's salary. Answer me this, how often does a player NOT get overpaid in this day and age? If we take a step back from all the noise and fury, it's all about the guaranteed money up front.

Garcon was probably the third most coveted receiver on the market. VJAX, Coltston, and Garcon in that order, unless I'm missing someone?

Considering the guaranteed money given to both players, which are few years older than Garcon, I think we got decent relative value.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

I think we're jumping the shark on Garcon's salary. Answer me this, how often does a player NOT get overpaid in this day and age? If we take a step back from all the noise and fury, it's all about the guaranteed money up front.

Garcon was probably the third most coveted receiver on the market. VJAX, Coltston, and Garcon in that order, unless I'm missing someone?

Considering the guaranteed money given to both players, which are few years older than Garcon, I think we got decent relative value.

I keep looking at the actual guaranteed money...which I think it is somewhere between 13 to 16 mil, than the reported 21 mil. In a competitive market you got pay some guys a little bit. All of these wideouts are not the typical aging/pricey FAs we've gotten in the past. In the end, it is all about what MS wants and what we can work out given this big dump the NFL took on our team.

As with all acquisitions, of course we can't make full judgement until we see production on the field. Still, I think this team is headed in the right direction and we are making some good moves.

[Jontrem]

Originally Posted by IrMitchell

Yeah, I think that's reasonable.

He has been top 30 in terms of # of catches last two years and last year he did it with an awful QB situation. I am an not arguing that we overpaid for what his production has been but I think to get him to come here we were going to have to overpay him and that we knew that going into negotiations. I think the fact that he is young and has had some success make him exactly the type of player BA and MS are targeting and I think having a WR who has worked with someone like PM can do a lot to help teach RG3 the best ways to work with his WRs.

I don't think he will come in right away and be a true #1 WR but I certainly think he can pretty quickly develop into one with the way RG3 throws the deep ball and if that happens then his overpriced contract will turn out to be very reasonable.

[IrMitchell]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

50? Wow start naming them lol.

I counted 43, just my opinion.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by IrMitchell

I counted 43, just my opinion.

Well Shanahan's opinion is slightly more important.

[IrMitchell]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

Well Shanahan's opinion is slightly more important.

No kidding.

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

I think we're jumping the shark on Garcon's salary. Answer me this, how often does a player NOT get overpaid in this day and age? If we take a step back from all the noise and fury, it's all about the guaranteed money up front.

Garcon was probably the third most coveted receiver on the market. VJAX, Coltston, and Garcon in that order, unless I'm missing someone?

Considering the guaranteed money given to both players, which are few years older than Garcon, I think we got decent relative value.

Actually, for his abilities compared to the other big name WR signings, I think we got a bargain with Garcon. He and RG3 are going to make some beautiful music together.

[Sonny9TD]

We paid for what Garcon can be vs. the Vinny days when we paid guys for what they were.[/QUOTE]

Nicely said and well put.