Yet Another QB Rumors Thread (Volume 9)

[over the mountain]

^^ the bears pretty much stalled on a deal to their benefit. I always love when someone makes an error that just so happens to be in their favor.

If I were the skins, I'd negotiate hard with the rams. If they want us to agree to a deal in the next 48 hours, I would require them to drop the toss in pick they are probably asking for and hoping to get (3rd or 5th next year, cherry on top for them pick).

Either way, id be pretty hesitant to give up the 6th overall, our high 2nd and 3rd rounder plus picks next year to move up 4 spots. Id offer the 6th overall, this years 3rd and 4th plus next years 2nd.

This years 6th overall, plus 2nd and 3rd should be enough imo. The browns are doing it right by not giving in and offering both their 1st round picks.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

So we could actually get an announcement before march 13th? That sure would be exciting!

[REDSKINS4ever]

NFL.com, Espn.com, profootballtalk.com, the Bleacher Report, all have been talking about the Redskins trading up and the Rams trading back. Within the top six picks, who are they only teams that will make a play for drafting a QB? Washington and Cleveland, right? It would seem that the wisest play for the Browns to make is to sign Matt Flynn in free agency and keep both of their 1st rounders. If this happens, Robert Griffin III, is many predict the Redskins will trade up for, will automatically fall to Washington at #6. This way, the Redskins along with the Browns can keep all of their draft choices instead of trading up.

If Washington wants to trade up anyway, they would be doing so to ensure that they get Griffin III. This is still not a bad move. This year's 1st rounder(6th overall) and maybe this year's second rounder could be enough compensation to move four spots forward along the draft board. Forget about next year's 1st round draft choice.

[MTK]

Biased opinion of course, but if I'm the Browns I would sit on those picks and go after Flynn. I wouldn't toss in the towel on McCoy just yet either.

[REDSKINS4ever]

The Redskins shouldn't trade Brian Orakpo. What sense would that make? He just completed his third season in the NFL after two of which he made the pro bowl. He's a huge piece of the Redskins 3-4 defense and one of the reasons that the defense was much, much better in 2011 than it was in 2010. The Redskins have done an excellent job in building the front seven. The only weakness on the defense is in the secondary. LaRon Landry can't stay healthy. Although O.J. Atogwe was hurt most of last season also, he contributed heavily to the defense. Josh Wilson played sub par for most of last season, but really began to step up his game as the season closed out. DeAngelo Hall for the most part was a disappointment. He's the only player in the secondary that is worth trading away...

[SFREDSKIN]

Originally Posted by REDSKINS4ever

The Redskins shouldn't trade Brian Orakpo. What sense would that make? He just completed his third season in the NFL after two of which he made the pro bowl. He's a huge piece of the Redskins 3-4 defense and one of the reasons that the defense was much, much better in 2011 than it was in 2010. The Redskins have done an excellent job in building the front seven. The only weakness on the defense is in the secondary. LaRon Landry can't stay healthy. Although O.J. Atogwe was hurt most of last season also, he contributed heavily to the defense. Josh Wilson played sub par for most of last season, but really began to step up his game as the season closed out. DeAngelo Hall for the most part was a disappointment. He's the only player in the secondary that is worth trading away...

Very well said.

[Player_HTTR]

Without too many other teams showing enough interest/ammo we may only need to get to #3 to pick RG3. Our best option IMO is not to make a deal now and get a feel for the true market value of the #2 pick. I would rather not give away next year's picks if at all possible.

[REDSKINS4ever]

Originally Posted by Player_HTTR

Without too many other teams showing enough interest/ammo we may only need to get to #3 to pick RG3. Our best option IMO is not to make a deal now and get a feel for the true market value of the #2 pick. I would rather not give away next year's picks if at all possible.

Maybe it won't come down to next year's picks. Perhaps this year's 6th overall and 2nd round pick will be enough to move four spaces to 2nd overall in the draft. I can live with drafting RG3 2nd overall, and not drafting again until the third round. Besides, trading up to only the 3rd overall pick is risky. Although I believe Cleveland won't make a play to move up to #2 in the draft, it still gives them a position to pick in front of us and moving up to 3rd overall would be for nothing. It's better to move up to #2 to ensure we get the player we so desperately need.

[T.O.Killa]

Originally Posted by REDSKINS4ever

Maybe it won't come down to next year's picks. Perhaps this year's 6th overall and 2nd round pick will be enough to move four spaces to 2nd overall in the draft. I can live with drafting RG3 2nd overall, and not drafting again until the third round. Besides, trading up to only the 3rd overall pick is risky. Although I believe Cleveland won't make a play to move up to #2 in the draft, it still gives them a position to pick in front of us and moving up to 3rd overall would be for nothing. It's better to move up to #2 to ensure we get the player we so desperately need.

Minimum deal would be 1,2,3 this year, and 1st next year. Maybe even a player or more picks.

[over the mountain]

Originally Posted by T.O.Killa

Minimum deal would be 1,2,3 this year, and 1st next year. Maybe even a player or more picks.

I would not do that. Thats the rams dictating their initial offer, starting point. The rams have to move alil to the middle imo.

Id offer this years 1st, 3rd and 4th plus next years 2nd with the goal of eventually agreeing to this years 1st, 2nd and 3rd or this years 1st, 2nd, 5th and next years 2nd.

[T.O.Killa]

Originally Posted by over the mountain

I would not do that. Thats the rams dictating their initial offer, starting point. The rams have to move alil to the middle imo.

Id offer this years 1st, 3rd and 4th plus next years 2nd with the goal of eventually agreeing to this years 1st, 2nd and 3rd or this years 1st, 2nd, 5th and next years 2nd.

Supposedly, that is already the offer we made. If that does not work for you, start looking at Matt Flynn, Kyle Orton, and Payton Manning. If thats your best offer, the question becomes how much would you pay for these guys and in what order. I've got a feeling, the guy that would play for Washington out of this bunch, is Kyle Orton. You decide. The way I see it, we canfill all our big holes in free agency, with our cap room. Hopefully, we dont give a player that we need, like Orakpo. If its a player, I hope its Cooley and or Santana Moss, but that wishfull thinking.

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by T.O.Killa

Minimum deal would be 1,2,3 this year, and 1st next year. Maybe even a player or more picks.

No... that's what Eskin reported we are willing to give up, meaning maximum. The same Eskin that said Manning would be a Redskin by this time now.

[Player_HTTR]

Originally Posted by REDSKINS4ever

Maybe it won't come down to next year's picks. Perhaps this year's 6th overall and 2nd round pick will be enough to move four spaces to 2nd overall in the draft. I can live with drafting RG3 2nd overall, and not drafting again until the third round. Besides, trading up to only the 3rd overall pick is risky. Although I believe Cleveland won't make a play to move up to #2 in the draft, it still gives them a position to pick in front of us and moving up to 3rd overall would be for nothing. It's better to move up to #2 to ensure we get the player we so desperately need.

I agree I really don't want to trade to #3 to get RG3 but if its perceived we are willing too do so lowers the value of the Rams pick. I am just saying we need for the smoke grenade to finish going off before we rush through. Can that backfire, sure, but how much more would we loose having to assume the worst of all possible scenarios by making a deal now.

[CRedskinsRule]

I don't understand how FA will affect RGIII's value in a negative way for the Rams. Let's assume that there are really 4 main qb's in play right now, 5 if you count Orton:

Manning, Flynn, Luck, RGIII, Orton

and easily 6 teams that are qb deficient:
Indy, Cleveland, Skins, Seattle, Miami, Arizona (although they aren't necessarily in for these four).

So at least one team will be the odd man out, and if Manning's physical/tryouts go less than perfect, you most likely have 2 teams that are still in need, now if Cleveland goes another way, than yes it reduces the bidding, but otherwise, if it's still Skins/Browns on near the beginning of the draft, then the bidding goes way back up.

I just don't see why the Rams would rush it, barring an over the top offer.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

i also dont agree with trading orakpo just to recoup picks. i highly doubt theres anyone we could pick up that would equate orakpos value to this team. unless one of our backups is secretly a stud and i dont know about it - we need orakpo. if we trade away picks for griffin, and he's the guy the shanahans want, then i'm all for it... but id rather be aggressive in free agency this year than trade our only legit pro-bowler caliber player for unproven draft picks