Meet The Candidates: 2012 GOP Thread

[Chico23231]

Poll: Cain takes top position, Perry falls to fifth – CNN Political Ticker - CNN.com Blogs

Perry fallen to 6%? I loving the fact his campaign has become such a joke.....and then there i Bachmann wow 2%

[firstdown]

Wait how can a bunch of raciest throw their support for Cain? Funny how the left is starting to attack him calling him names like uncle tom, token black man, etc.. and they don't think there is anything wrong with attacking a conservative black man.

[mlmpetert]

^ While not racist this is the nastist interview ive ever seen on a major network. I never liked lawrence odonnell before but now i have zero respect for him. Serisouly why would someone talk to someone like that in a interview? Could you imagine if anyone on Fox or any other network spoke to Obama like this?

HERMAN CAIN vs LAWRENCE O'DONNELL Round Two - YouTube

If there are any Vietnam Vets on this board, do any of you take offense to lawrence's questing? Also worth noting is that lawrence is himself a draft advoider.

MSNBC’s Draft-Dodging Lawrence O’Donnell Accused Herman Cain of Draft-Dodging | The Lonely Conservative

[dmek25]

Originally Posted by firstdown

Wait how can a bunch of raciest throw their support for Cain? Funny how the left is starting to attack him calling him names like uncle tom, token black man, etc.. and they don't think there is anything wrong with attacking a conservative black man.

ok, ill bite. where did you hear/ see this?

[saden1]

Originally Posted by mlmpetert

^ While not racist this is the nastist interview ive ever seen on a major network. I never liked lawrence odonnell before but now i have zero respect for him. Serisouly why would someone talk to someone like that in a interview? Could you imagine if anyone on Fox or any other network spoke to Obama like this?

HERMAN CAIN vs LAWRENCE O'DONNELL Round Two - YouTube

If there are any Vietnam Vets on this board, do any of you take offense to lawrence's questing? Also worth noting is that lawrence is himself a draft advoider.

MSNBC’s Draft-Dodging Lawrence O’Donnell Accused Herman Cain of Draft-Dodging | The Lonely Conservative

Lawrence was alright except for the Vietnam war line of questioning. What's truly nasty is the statements Cain has made about african americans, the unemployed, liberals, muslims and abortion.

[saden1]

Originally Posted by firstdown

Wait how can a bunch of raciest throw their support for Cain? Funny how the left is starting to attack him calling him names like uncle tom, token black man, etc.. and they don't think there is anything wrong with attacking a conservative black man.

You think these people will support him? It's not like she's interviewing people at a Klan rally.

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by dmek25

ok, ill bite. where did you hear/ see this?

In addition to O'Donnell and Garofalo's statements, not including the liberal blogosphere.....

DL Hughley
Herman Cain | Racism | Where's the outrage over D.L. Hughley's racist attack on Herman Cain? | The Daily Caller

TIME magazine
Herman Cain Insults Black Community with Views on Racism | TIME Ideas | TIME.com

on CNN
Democratic Strategist Calls Herman Cain ‘Racist, Bigoted‘ for Saying Blacks Have Been ’Brainwashed’ | Video | TheBlaze.com

on MSNBC
MSNBC's Bashir Again Gives Platform to Columnist Slamming Herman Cain As Self-hating Black Man | NewsBusters.org

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by saden1

You think these people will support him? It's not like she's interviewing people at a Klan rally.

What's the point of this video? It's from 2008 and these f-in idiots are too stupid to even know when to vote anyway. No mainstream conservative wants their support.

How about these folks at the CBC conference in DC, I'd say they've got some pretty negative things to say about Cain & Allen West.

Congressional Black Caucus Attendees Herman Cain...

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

In addition to O'Donnell and Garofalo's statements, not including the liberal blogosphere.....

DL Hughley
Herman Cain | Racism | Where's the outrage over D.L. Hughley's racist attack on Herman Cain? | The Daily Caller

TIME magazine
Herman Cain Insults Black Community with Views on Racism | TIME Ideas | TIME.com

on CNN
Democratic Strategist Calls Herman Cain ‘Racist, Bigoted‘ for Saying Blacks Have Been ’Brainwashed’ | Video | TheBlaze.com

on MSNBC
MSNBC's Bashir Again Gives Platform to Columnist Slamming Herman Cain As Self-hating Black Man | NewsBusters.org

Cain is smart and he got what he wanted by making those states about race, he got liberals to bite. I think this sums it up perfectly:

"Herman Cain is trying to get the GOP nomination," Smiley said. "When you're running for the nomination of a Republican Party…these are the kind of statements that you make that play to your base. It's politics."

Ill be interested to see how Cain does in the midwest and south with his rising poll numbers. Race will certainly play a part in GOP numbers in those regions. U can lock that up.

[saden1]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

In addition to O'Donnell and Garofalo's statements, not including the liberal blogosphere.....

DL Hughley
Herman Cain | Racism | Where's the outrage over D.L. Hughley's racist attack on Herman Cain? | The Daily Caller

TIME magazine
Herman Cain Insults Black Community with Views on Racism | TIME Ideas | TIME.com

on CNN
Democratic Strategist Calls Herman Cain ‘Racist, Bigoted‘ for Saying Blacks Have Been ’Brainwashed’ | Video | TheBlaze.com

on MSNBC
MSNBC's Bashir Again Gives Platform to Columnist Slamming Herman Cain As Self-hating Black Man | NewsBusters.org

Am I mistaken or were all these "racist" stuff written/said about him after Herman Cain said "there is no racism in America," "he left the democrat plantation a long time ago," "African-Americans have been brainwashed into not being open minded," "the liberal establishment is scared a real black man will run against Obama," "[Obama's] never been a part of the black experience in America," "It is documented that his mother was white and his father was from Africa. If he wants to call himself black, fine. If he wants to call himself African-American, fine."

Do you think these statements he made are acceptable? That they will endear him to African Americans? Make no mistake, as far as I am concernerned it doesn't matter if he's black or white, it does matter that he is pure cunt that's preaching a message of division and hate. That's just me my opinion though, I am sure white conservatives think otherwise...probably because they haven't gone through the brainwashing process yet.

[saden1]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

What's the point of this video? It's from 2008 and these f-in idiots are too stupid to even know when to vote anyway. No mainstream conservative wants their support.

How about these folks at the CBC conference in DC, I'd say they've got some pretty negative things to say about Cain & Allen West.

Congressional Black Caucus Attendees Herman Cain & Allen West Are "Oreos"... - YouTube

LOL...come on man, that super gay black guy has a legit reason to want Cain and West to go to hell. When the discussion is about identity crisis we should definitely defer to him.


Look, tea party is partly misunderstood by the Afircan Americans. I say that because when it started it was all about "taking our country back from the scary black muslim socialist welfare giving america destroyer president." Fair or not that stigma is still a stain on the movement because people remember those negative posters at rallies than the positive ones. Some think Cain winning is proof that the movement isn't racist, time will tell.

Now this ad by Cain sure opens my mind and makes me want to vote for him:



BTW, you want to include Cain into the mix for our bet?

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by saden1

Am I mistaken or were all these "racist" stuff written/said about him after Herman Cain said "there is no racism in America," "he left the democrat plantation a long time ago," "African-Americans have been brainwashed into not being open minded," "the liberal establishment is scared a real black man will run against Obama," "[Obama's] never been a part of the black experience in America," "It is documented that his mother was white and his father was from Africa. If he wants to call himself black, fine. If he wants to call himself African-American, fine."

I think the opinions of Cain and his detractors have remained constant before and after any statements he/they made, they're just hitting the airwaves with his rise in the polls.

Do you think these statements he made are acceptable? That they will endear him to African Americans? Make no mistake, as far as I am concernerned it doesn't matter if he's black or white, it does matter that he is pure cunt that's preaching a message of division and hate. That's just me my opinion though, I am sure white conservatives think otherwise...probably because they haven't gone through the brainwashing process yet.

I agree with these:
- liberal establishment is scared a real black man will run against Obama.
Not from a racial perspective, but strictly an election perspective, if Cain attracts even 10 additional percent of black voters in 2012, Obama's done.

- Obama not part of black experience in America. Again not from the racial perspective, but I don't think that most black folks grew up in HI, had experience traveling abroad, went to private school, went to Columbia/Harvard Law.

I'd rather not see any race-baiting on either side and I'm pretty sure most conservatives white/black/brown/yellow would agree. I want this election to strictly be about fixing the major issues our country faces

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by saden1

LOL...come on man, that super gay black guy has a legit reason to want Cain and West to go to hell. When the discussion is about identity crisis we should definitely defer to him.

LOL

Look, tea party is partly misunderstood by the Afircan Americans. I say that because when it started it was all about "taking our country back from the scary black muslim socialist welfare giving america destroyer president." Fair or not that stigma is still a stain on the movement because people remember those negative posters at rallies than the positive ones. Some think Cain winning is proof that the movement isn't racist, time will tell.

A picture is worth a 1000 words is 100% correct, and with any true grassroots movement you've got a few idiot outliers.

Unfortunately, the Tea Party doesn't have the support of the majority of the media in the U.S., which I think have done a great job of playing cut, after cut, after cut, of folks calling the Tea Party racist which just isn't true whether Cain gets the nomination or not.

Now this ad by Cain sure opens my mind and makes me want to vote for him:

Didn't you mention in 2008 something about "gloves being off", I guess Cain took his off a little earlier. Not necessarily the most PC ad, but this type of ad was effective in 2002 & 2004.

African American Businessman Spends 1M to Urge Blacks to Vote Pro-Life | LifeNews.com

From the link:
"The campaign is a second go-round based on a highly successful Ohio campaign in 2004 that helped President Bush garner 17% of the African American vote in the Buckeye State – double his vote total from the 2000 presidential race."

"Americas PAC’s African American radio strategy “hampered our ability to expand the off-year electorate in 2002," Brazile said."

BTW, you want to include Cain into the mix for our bet?

Of course...since Perry $hit the bed.

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[mlmpetert]

Originally Posted by saden1

Lawrence was alright except for the Vietnam war line of questioning. What's truly nasty is the statements Cain has made about african americans, the unemployed, liberals, muslims and abortion.

I agree Lawrence's Vietnam remarks were completely out of line, but you think the Civil Rights remarks and questions were okay?

Cain:

So, counter to our real feelings, we decided to avoid trouble by moving to the back of the bus when the driver told us to. By that time, the sit-ins and the Freedom Rides had kind of broken the ice, even though things hadn't fully changed. So we saw it every day on TV and read about it in the news. Dad always said, "Stay out of trouble," and we did.

Lawrence:

Where do you think black people would be sitting on the bus today if Rosa Parks had followed your father's advice?"

Additional:

Cain replied, still not losing his cool, by pointing out that at the time that the anecdote happened, his father was giving advice to a high school aged boy, not an adult like Rosa Parks, for whose courage he was thankful.

O'Donnell then launched into an attack: "Mr. Cain, you were in fact in college from 1963 to 1967, at the height of the Civil Rights Movement, exactly when the most important demonstrations and protests were going on. You could easily as a student at Morehouse between 1963 and 1967 actively participated in the kinds of protests that got African Americans the rights they enjoy today. You watched from that perspective at Moorehouse when you were not participating in those processes. You watched black college students from around the country and white college students from around the country come south AND BE MURDERED, fighting for the rights of African Americans. Do you regret sitting on those sidelines at that time?"

Cain hinted that an illness in his family prevented him from being as involved as he would've liked, which is beside the point.

How about lawrence' questioning Cain's "gratefulness", was that questioning okay?

"Mr. Cain, what are you grateful to this nation for? You served in the Navy. They paid for you to go get a graduate degree while you were in the Navy. Are you grateful to the government for doing that? Are you grateful to this government for passing the Voting Rights Act, the Civil Rights Act?"

more:
Lawrence O'Donnell's Offensive Interview with Herman Cain - Conor Friedersdorf - Politics - The Atlantic

I think Cain has said some controversial things some of it perhaps distasteful, but nothing he said was as distasteful and nasty as lawrence odonnells interview with Cain. I also believe the context of anything detestable Cain has said is vastly different then Cain being scolded by a white man for Cain's lack of involvement in the Civil Rights Movements while an adolescent, in addition to the hypocritical and unfounded attack on Cain's patriotism and service to his country, particularly during Vietnam.