Meet The Candidates: 2012 GOP Thread

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by saden1

LOL...come on man, that super gay black guy has a legit reason to want Cain and West to go to hell. When the discussion is about identity crisis we should definitely defer to him.

LOL

Look, tea party is partly misunderstood by the Afircan Americans. I say that because when it started it was all about "taking our country back from the scary black muslim socialist welfare giving america destroyer president." Fair or not that stigma is still a stain on the movement because people remember those negative posters at rallies than the positive ones. Some think Cain winning is proof that the movement isn't racist, time will tell.

A picture is worth a 1000 words is 100% correct, and with any true grassroots movement you've got a few idiot outliers.

Unfortunately, the Tea Party doesn't have the support of the majority of the media in the U.S., which I think have done a great job of playing cut, after cut, after cut, of folks calling the Tea Party racist which just isn't true whether Cain gets the nomination or not.

Now this ad by Cain sure opens my mind and makes me want to vote for him:

Didn't you mention in 2008 something about "gloves being off", I guess Cain took his off a little earlier. Not necessarily the most PC ad, but this type of ad was effective in 2002 & 2004.

African American Businessman Spends 1M to Urge Blacks to Vote Pro-Life | LifeNews.com

From the link:
"The campaign is a second go-round based on a highly successful Ohio campaign in 2004 that helped President Bush garner 17% of the African American vote in the Buckeye State – double his vote total from the 2000 presidential race."

"Americas PAC’s African American radio strategy “hampered our ability to expand the off-year electorate in 2002," Brazile said."

BTW, you want to include Cain into the mix for our bet?

Of course...since Perry $hit the bed.

[mlmpetert]

^ While not racist this is the nastist interview ive ever seen on a major network. I never liked lawrence odonnell before but now i have zero respect for him. Serisouly why would someone talk to someone like that in a interview? Could you imagine if anyone on Fox or any other network spoke to Obama like this?

HERMAN CAIN vs LAWRENCE O'DONNELL Round Two - YouTube

If there are any Vietnam Vets on this board, do any of you take offense to lawrence's questing? Also worth noting is that lawrence is himself a draft advoider.

MSNBC’s Draft-Dodging Lawrence O’Donnell Accused Herman Cain of Draft-Dodging | The Lonely Conservative

[saden1]

Originally Posted by mlmpetert

^ While not racist this is the nastist interview ive ever seen on a major network. I never liked lawrence odonnell before but now i have zero respect for him. Serisouly why would someone talk to someone like that in a interview? Could you imagine if anyone on Fox or any other network spoke to Obama like this?

HERMAN CAIN vs LAWRENCE O'DONNELL Round Two - YouTube

If there are any Vietnam Vets on this board, do any of you take offense to lawrence's questing? Also worth noting is that lawrence is himself a draft advoider.

MSNBC’s Draft-Dodging Lawrence O’Donnell Accused Herman Cain of Draft-Dodging | The Lonely Conservative

Lawrence was alright except for the Vietnam war line of questioning. What's truly nasty is the statements Cain has made about african americans, the unemployed, liberals, muslims and abortion.

[mlmpetert]

Originally Posted by saden1

Lawrence was alright except for the Vietnam war line of questioning. What's truly nasty is the statements Cain has made about african americans, the unemployed, liberals, muslims and abortion.

I agree Lawrence's Vietnam remarks were completely out of line, but you think the Civil Rights remarks and questions were okay?

Cain:

So, counter to our real feelings, we decided to avoid trouble by moving to the back of the bus when the driver told us to. By that time, the sit-ins and the Freedom Rides had kind of broken the ice, even though things hadn't fully changed. So we saw it every day on TV and read about it in the news. Dad always said, "Stay out of trouble," and we did.

Lawrence:

Where do you think black people would be sitting on the bus today if Rosa Parks had followed your father's advice?"

Additional:

Cain replied, still not losing his cool, by pointing out that at the time that the anecdote happened, his father was giving advice to a high school aged boy, not an adult like Rosa Parks, for whose courage he was thankful.

O'Donnell then launched into an attack: "Mr. Cain, you were in fact in college from 1963 to 1967, at the height of the Civil Rights Movement, exactly when the most important demonstrations and protests were going on. You could easily as a student at Morehouse between 1963 and 1967 actively participated in the kinds of protests that got African Americans the rights they enjoy today. You watched from that perspective at Moorehouse when you were not participating in those processes. You watched black college students from around the country and white college students from around the country come south AND BE MURDERED, fighting for the rights of African Americans. Do you regret sitting on those sidelines at that time?"

Cain hinted that an illness in his family prevented him from being as involved as he would've liked, which is beside the point.

How about lawrence' questioning Cain's "gratefulness", was that questioning okay?

"Mr. Cain, what are you grateful to this nation for? You served in the Navy. They paid for you to go get a graduate degree while you were in the Navy. Are you grateful to the government for doing that? Are you grateful to this government for passing the Voting Rights Act, the Civil Rights Act?"

more:
Lawrence O'Donnell's Offensive Interview with Herman Cain - Conor Friedersdorf - Politics - The Atlantic

I think Cain has said some controversial things some of it perhaps distasteful, but nothing he said was as distasteful and nasty as lawrence odonnells interview with Cain. I also believe the context of anything detestable Cain has said is vastly different then Cain being scolded by a white man for Cain's lack of involvement in the Civil Rights Movements while an adolescent, in addition to the hypocritical and unfounded attack on Cain's patriotism and service to his country, particularly during Vietnam.

[12thMan]

Here's a tool for you gambling types; Intrade's usually a pretty good indicator.

Sliggin, your old lady's gonna kick your ass if she finds out you on Warpath sh*t talking and betting with Saden

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[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

Here's a tool for you gambling types; Intrade's usually a pretty good indicator.

Sliggin, your old lady's gonna kick your ass if she finds out you on Warpath sh*t talking and betting with Saden

Intrade Prediction Markets

This is a great site, very cool. It shows the 2012 Presidential race basically a toss-up 49 D to 48.5 R.

Nah I'll be OK, I'll just tell her, "what casino could I go to and get 50-50 odds." :cool-smil
Plus when she buys some new UGGs this winter I've got all the cover I need, even on the outside chance I lose.

[Chico23231]

Perry is a clown:

When asked by Parade Magazine whether he believed that President Obama was born in the United States, Perry said, "I don't have a definitive answer, because he's never seen my birth certificate," then adding "I had dinner with Donald Trump the other night. ... He doesn't think it's real." When pressed by CNBC the day of the flat tax unveiling, Perry doubled down on the dumb, saying, "It's (birtherism) a good issue to keep alive. It's fun to poke at him."

[12thMan]

I generally don't obsess over polls this far out, but one released today shows President Obama leading all GOP candidates in Arizona. The last time a Dem won the state was in 1952.

If that trend holds for another month or two, Republicans will be in full blown panic mode.

[mlmpetert]

I just remembered the whole issue with regards to the AP quoting Obama as saying:

"Shake it off. Stop complainin'. Stop grumblin'. Stop cryin'. We are going to press on. We have work to do."

There was an outrage that the AP quoted Obama the way he actually spoke, rather than the grammatically correct way. Literary scholars weighed in on if the AP was correct or not. Many linguistic scholars sided with the AP since Obama doesnt normally speak with a grammatically-incorrect dialect and since he was purposely making a particular point of emphasis in his speach.

I understand that Cain isnt the president, or even the Republican nominee, but while the media was outrage over how the AP quoted Obama the editor of Newsweek was on TV saying “naahn-naahn-naahn” in reference to Cain’s 999 Plan. Jon Stewart has even given an Amos and Andy impression of Cain when impersonating him. Early on left wing media even questioned Cain’s intelligence, I personally believe in part because of his dialect.

Unfortunately there is clearly a double standard about how black politicians should be spoken to and treated depending on their political idenity.


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[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

I generally don't obsess over polls this far out, but one released today shows President Obama leading all GOP candidates in Arizona. The last time a Dem won the state was in 1952.

If that trend holds for another month or two, Republicans will be in full blown panic mode.

No worries until after the GOP settles on a nominee.

[dmek25]

I agree with these:
- liberal establishment is scared a real black man will run against Obama.
Not from a racial perspective, but strictly an election perspective, if Cain attracts even 10 additional percent of black voters in 2012, Obama's done.
exactly what does this mean? as opposed to a fake black man?

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by dmek25

I agree with these:
- liberal establishment is scared a real black man will run against Obama.
Not from a racial perspective, but strictly an election perspective, if Cain attracts even 10 additional percent of black voters in 2012, Obama's done.
exactly what does this mean? as opposed to a fake black man?

Cain and Obama can debate their "realness" if Cain wins the nomination.

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

Cain and Obama can debate their "realness" if Cain wins the nomination.

For what it's worth, Cain is blacker.

[saden1]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

For what it's worth, Cain is blacker.

There are white people blacker than Herman Cain. He can claim to be whatever he wants but when it come time to nut-up he soiled himself. I will take the half-black inner city community organizer who's lacking authentic black experience upbring thank you.

Morehouse man Cain divides alums, students *| ajc.com


Disgraceful.

[saden1]

And Cain's authentically black conservative closet is filled skeletons. Perfect timing for halloween. This is going to be fun to see unfold...to deny or to no comment, that is the question.

Exclusive: 2 women accused Herman Cain of inappropriate behavior - Jonathan Martin and Maggie Haberman and Anna Palmer and Kenneth P. Vogel - POLITICO.com

Lady Karma comes through once again.