Campbell's numbers dont lie

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by dmvskinzfan08

as fas as the kiss my ass comment. no thanks. Its kinda hard to anyway when you have your head so far up there. whining and bitching like a lil girl..how gay would that be? I think our offensive problems started way before campbell was starting. we were so dynamic on offense when Brunell was here weren't we. Im more like a smart ass. your the dumbass sir.

he shouldn't have done that but what is this.. the 3rd time you've replied to it?

it's the internet, take it a bit less seriously

[dmvskinzfan08]

Originally Posted by tryfuhl

he shouldn't have done that but what is this.. the 3rd time you've replied to it?

it's the internet, take it a bit less seriously

You might need to direct that at him buddy. One was to point out the mods who are always on me for responding to people when they call me out. They didn't respond all day. Then I had to give my 2 cents on the actual football comment he made and then I had to insult him back . But I will ignore him from now on.

Thanks for the advice dude!!!

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Rajmahal33

For every Trent Dilfer Scenario (No offense, great D), there is a Kurt Warner (No Defense, great O), especially in this day and age. For Christ's sake, Elway almost did it multiple times with the Orange Broncos.

My philosophy is that neither the defense nor the offense can win you a championship outright. They need the support of each other. We have an above average defense and an under average offense. The least we can do if we aren't scoring points is to dominate time of possession. In our two losses we haven't in our one win we have.

The least JC and the offense could do is get a few first downs CONSISTENTLY through the game. What loses games are 3 and outs and such. It destroys the offenses confidence while at the same time sucking the energy out of the defense towards the ends of games. That is why JC is as integral to the D's performance in close games as he is to the O's. Next time he is moving the ball well in against a prevent D when we are behind, just remember that if our D gives up a score or can't stop their O on the next possession, it's not all their fault. At some point in that game JC and the O probably let us down by not holding on the ball for a while.

Warner though, was the quarterback of a 9-7 team, and his defense performed (on the average) better than the Redskins defense (on the small sample average) has this year. Could we be a 9-7 team behind Campbell, good special teams, and nothing else? Absolutely. Is that a ticket to the super bowl? No more than the Cardinals were last year when they were being blown out by the Patriots. In the NFC East, that gets you to the playoffs only about half the time.

[dmvskinzfan08]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Warner though, was the quarterback of a 9-7 team, and his defense performed (on the average) better than the Redskins defense (on the small sample average) has this year. Could we be a 9-7 team behind Campbell, good special teams, and nothing else? Absolutely. Is that a ticket to the super bowl? No more than the Cardinals were last year when they were being blown out by the Patriots. In the NFC East, that gets you to the playoffs only about half the time.

I totally agree. If we can get our running game going and our D to get better on 3rd down. We will be much improved. But time will only tell.

Yeah and the thing about the Arizona is they stepped up on defense during the playoff stretch and Fitz was on FIRE!!

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

oh c/mon tripp. i know you're smarter than that silly ass comment you just made. lol.

But I mean, how often does a team score 30+ without the benefit of a defensive touchdown (or special teams). Great offenses: pretty often. Above average offenses: not so much. Even if the defensive touchdown comes completely in garbage time, it's usually the difference between 27 and 34 points or something.

On one hand, the frequency at which we score 30+ points means nothing. We could employ the chuck and duck and score 33 points a week while losing games. On the other, teams that score that much that frequently usually get contributions from playmakers on all sides of the football.

With all due respect to Santana Moss' decisive TD in Detroit on a punt return, as long as you're hung up on points, start where the deficiency is most glaring.

And yeah, the offense scores at a below average rate no matter how far you break em down. But if the point is just how inept the team is at scoring, well, let's do that.

[Green1]

People still dont realize that this is only campbell's 4th year in the league. Three different offenses Zorn, Saunders, Gibbs. The most successful Qbs have been in the same offense their whole career. Fans here need to stop acting like Synder and have patience with a good QB.

[MonkFan4Life]

Originally Posted by dmvskinzfan08

Really.

We are not talking about Mark Brunell. Brad Johnson is old that's all. But I think he did win a Superbowl after he left us. Or was that in my dreams? So you are blaming JC for us not getting Pass Interference calls? Huh? Don't know about deep ball accuracy. He hasn't thrown that many. That is something he can work on if it is an issue. Umm. So I guess he's too dumb to call audibles? When he has called the plays whether it is garbage time or not he scored. If he was so horrible he wouldn't even be able to do that.

Umm the West Coast offense is mainly intermediate throws. Your right. He puts the ball on the numbers with velocity instead of throwing to a spot or area. I woudn't blame him because our WRs keep dropping the ball. If he throws it somewhere they can catch it and he makes a completion then it really doesn't matter to me. Perfect example of throwing to an area Delhomme. He is responsible for his INTs for the most part. But some of them are because he is throwing to an area and the defense is there instead of the WR. You really want to do that with Thomas or Kelly? LOL. Even saying that Delhomme has been horrible. Maybe we should pick him up? Maybe you would be happy with a guy that throws to an area instead of completing passes. Our young receivers are not precise route runners at this point so it would be a disaster if that happened.

But you are right. He is absoultey horrible. He can't learn from his mistakes He can't grow as a QB. He is the worst QB in the NFL. He holds the ball too long. He isn't smart. He has a slow wind up release.. [end sarcasm]

Did I forget anything else? This is getting so old..

I'm making a point. So basically you're satisfied with him playing one way for 3 1/2 quarters and then a completely different way in the last 1/2. Really ? You are right that the West Coast offense is a lot of intermediate throws by why is it that Philly's West Coast has so many deep routes ? Why is it that there are always receiviers for this offense that run deep routes but the ball is never thrown to them ? Why is it that so many of the fade routes end up out of bounds ? Is that the receiviers are running the wrong route or that the ball is thrown to the wrong area ? I didn't say that Campbell was too dumb to call audibles but the fact that he doesn't. But why should I look for him to call an audible when he doesn't even want to call his own protections ? He does call an audible here or there. But why is it that teams will consistently keep and 8th or 9th man in the box ? The QB doesn't force them to stay back. That's why. I said that Campbell throws to an area and not to a spot which was a problem and you used Delhomme as an example to agree with me ? Come on now, don't twist up my words.

Be as sarcastic as you want but that's all you have is to try and drop a zinger. You know for yourself that in this league you don't have 6 years to become a good QB. I guess he deserves it because he's a good guy ? I don't know what it is that you have seen that gives you all this confidence in this guy. You're right that it is getting old, that's why I feel like he needs to go. You think he should stay I don't. But I'll ask you to do this, make a bet with one of your friends that Jason Campbell will throw 20 touchdowns by the time that the season is over. Your 50 to their 100 and see how you feel then. See if you are as faithful in him as you are now.

[Trample the Elderly]

Cocaine doesn't lie either. That's doesn't mean it isn't expensive and doesn't suck the life out of you.

Newsflash! Soup, Zorn, the coaches, and the whole damn team are not the problem. It is the great Satan himself, Danny Boy.

[redsk1]

JC has improved this year vs last. That's good. We're 1-2 though. Realistically to be successful JC needs a complete team around him. Brees, TB, PM, Rivers...they can hide some team defiencies just by putting points on the board.

Time will tell. JC is pretty accurate for the most part. He has trouble w/ the fade route and sometimes the long throws. His "football" awareness is much better than a couple years ago. Without a significant run game I'm afraid it's going to be a rough year in terms of W's and L's. JC has got to step up and put the ball in the endzone.

Oh yeah, w/ 15 seconds left, needing a touchdown, on the wrong side of the 50 yardline, no timeouts...you can't throw down the middle of the field, JC. You've been around too long, you should know this. Good thing it was overthrown or time would have expired. We lost anyway, but come on. You throw to the edges or deep.

[MTK]

JC was just running the play that was called, blame the horrible hook and ladder call on Zorn.

[SC Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

JC was just running the play that was called, blame the horrible hook and ladder call on Zorn.

I think he was referring to the play before that one.

[warriorzpath]

Bottomline to everything is - this team is Campbell's team (coming from his own words). Who do you hold accountable for the redskins performances given that Campbell has said he was taking responsibility for the redskins?

Let me know if I was reading into it more than I necessarily need to. When someone says something as strongly as this - to take responsibility for something as big as this, then I sit up and take notice - and I hold him to it.

The redskins are his team, but he is not held accountable. I just don't get it.

[warriorzpath]

... and I just read the Blache article for taking on blame. That's what Manning-up is - taking responsibility. That's what you call what a man is. Before reading this, I thought Blache was just cruising out this season and was planning to retire at the end of it, but now I know different. This guy has nothing but respect from me.

And to me this is what being a man is all about - not about how physically big you are.

[redsk1]

Originally Posted by SC Skins Fan

I think he was referring to the play before that one.

Yeah, i was. The game would have been over if it was caught. There was no hook and ladder on that one. Just a dumb play.

[MTK]

^^ yeah I hear ya but just the fact we were in that position to begin with kinda tells the story