Jay Gruden hired as head coach of the Redskins

[KI Skins Fan]

I HATE revisionist history! Haslett sucks and you all know it!

How many more times are you willing to endure Haslett letting Dallas off the hook on a key FOURTH down play by calling some stupid defense that causes us to lose the game? He's done that more than once, you know.

Trust your own eyes and remember the misery that he has put us through.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by HailGreen28

Yeah, which I and I think some others disagree on. Holding teams to FGs for example matters a lot to me. If you aren't talking yds/game *and* pts/game, you aren't accurately describing a D's ranking in the league, IMO.

The Chris Russel quote cherry picks a couple favorable stats on a below average D the last couple years. "Don't understand the hate" he says? Guess he thinks we should be happy with a bottom third defense.

The Redskins were way worse on defense in the red zone this year than they had been at any point in the past eight. I don't really know why this was though. One of the things that the defense had been consistently good at no matter the coordinator or players was getting stops in short yardage. This year, they couldn't get off the field, and they were even worse in the red zone.

But the football outsiders ranking accounts for that struggle, so I don't know that the defense was necessarily worse.

[HailGreen28]

Originally Posted by KI Skins Fan

What do you get out of being so negative?

I think I'm being realistic. Jon Gruden and Haslett's recent history isn't that good.

Negative would be suggesting getting Gruden and keeping Haslett is the best we could do, because nobody really good will work for Snyder. Like it's the Zorn situation all over again, we only made him HC after everybody really good turned us down.

[KI Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by HailGreen28

I think I'm being realistic. Jon Gruden and Haslett'ss recent history isn't that good.

Negative would be suggesting getting Gruden and keeping Haslett is the best we could do, because nobody really good will work for Snyder. Like it's the Zorn situation all over again, we only made him HC after everybody really good turned us down.

No, negartive would be writing dumb-ass lyrics and posting them here so others can wallow in negativity with you. I prefer to look at the hiring of a new HC as a time for optimism.

I hate to pick on your post. There are plenty of other people who post here who need to elevate their sights, as well. Yours was just a negative post too far for me.

As for Haslett, I agree that he is a piss-poor DC and I want him gone, too. But he hasn't been announced as the DC yet, so let's see what happens. Even if he does become the DC, that doesn't necessarily doom us to losing.

I will now get off of your case.

[HailGreen28]

Originally Posted by KI Skins Fan

No, negartive would be writing dumb-ass lyrics and posting them here so others can wallow in negativity with you. I prefer to look at the hiring of a new HC as a time for optimism.

I hate to pick on your post. There are plenty of other people who post here who need to elevate their sights, as well. Yours was just a negative post too far for me.

As for Haslett, I agree that he is a piss-poor DC and I want him gone, too. But he hasn't been announced as the DC yet, so let's see what happens. Even if he does become the DC, that doesn't necessarily doom us to losing.

I will now get off of your case.

Appreciate it, you're fine. Big difference between calling someone dumb, and their argument dumb. The second one's OK IMO.

What was dumb about the lyrics? That Gruden isn't a household name? That Gruden and Haslett don't really have a lot going for them based on their teams recent performances?

[skinsguy]

Everyone who's going to find something wrong about this franchise, whether if it is warranted or not, will color themselves as realists. It's not the first time we're hearing this kind of stuff - from the words of Bon Jovi, "It's all the same, only the names will change...".

People's opinions are easily swayed by the likes of the Washington Post, and they'll always assume the worst because they think anything Mike Wise, Jason Reid, or Sally Jenkins writes is pure gospel. Anybody who tries to challenge them with a brighter outlook is going to be pegged as fans who won't take of the rose-colored glasses.

Right now, there's absolutely no reason to bitch and complain about this hire, or the fact that Jim Haslett is still on the coaching staff. Jay Gruden is yet to even get started yet. Why is it too much to ask to wait and see what he does in assembling a complete staff?

And in terms of the hire itself, the franchise was looking for a candidate that best fits the team. I think Jay has the potential to be the right guy for the job. Time will tell and I'm not going sit here and cheer that this is a great hire nor am I going to sit here and sulk that he's the wrong guy. None of us really truly know until this guy gets in there and starts putting things together. But, I will say this - this is NOT another Jim Zorn hire. Gruden has experience as a head coach - albeit not yet in the NFL. He's been a leader of men. And after watching the presser yesterday, I don't get any type of timid "Zorn Like" qualities where it would make me think the guy would lose a locker room. He's a young coach who looks like he has that "fire in the belly" and wanting to achieve great things as a head coach.

In the end, we'll see. Let's just be glad that this team has found a head coach who's not 100 years old and not power hungry. I think we have a good guy, I'm excited to see what he does.

[KI Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by HailGreen28

Appreciate it, you're fine. Big difference between calling someone dumb, and their argument dumb. The second one's OK IMO.

What was dumb about the lyrics? That Gruden isn't a household name? That Gruden and Haslett don't really have a lot going for them based on their team's recent performances?

I might have enjoyed the lyrics at some other time. Right now, I just wish that we could all enjoy Redskins football again. Personally, I refuse to let losing get me down.

I was lucky because I was a Redskins fan when George Allen and Joe Gibbs (Version I) coached here. Back then, we knew we could beat anybody and we believed that we were never out of a game. It was a great time!

I want every Redskins fan to enjoy the Redskins the way we did back then. In a way, I must believe that Jay Gruden could be the same type of fortunate hire that Joe Gibbs turned out to be. I believe that one man, the right Head Coach, can make the difference between winning and losing. If Jay Gruden is the right man, I believe we can be good again for a decade or more.

[SkinsGuru]

Originally Posted by HailGreen28

What the hell?

NFL Stats: by Team Category

Haslett's D was tied for next to worst (#30) in giving up points in 2013. #18 ranked D in giving up yards.

For 2012, Haslett's D was tied for being ranked #20 in points given up. #28 ranked D in giving up yards.

For 2011, Haslett's D was ranked #21 in points given up. #13 ranked D in yards.

So Haslett's D was mediocre in 2011, and bad in 2012 and 2013. Sure, let's keep him on our staff! I don't understand the hate either! lol.

Is Chris Russel trolling, or what? Reminds me how how numbers are spun in politics: There's lies, damned lies, and statistics!

lets not forget that the offense, while moving the ball well, had a ton of turnovers . . . that is going to lead to the defense giving up more points too . . . so while the 18th ranking for yards is not a good measurement by itself . . . either is the points allowed as that is skewed by the offensive turnovers and the special teams blunders too . . . so i would say more in the middle like a 24 to 25 ranking . . . not good no matter how you look at it

[SFREDSKIN]

Originally Posted by KI Skins Fan

I HATE revisionist history! Haslett sucks and you all know it!

How many more times are you willing to endure Haslett letting Dallas off the hook on a key FOURTH down play by calling some stupid defense that causes us to lose the game? He's done that more than once, you know.

Trust your own eyes and remember the misery that he has put us through.

Couldn't agree more, they should go after Horton.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by KI Skins Fan

I might have enjoyed the lyrics at some other time. Right now, I just wish that we could all enjoy Redskins football again. Personally, I refuse to let losing get me down.

I was lucky because I was a Redskins fan when George Allen and Joe Gibbs (Version I) coached here. Back then, we knew we could beat anybody and we believed that we were never out of a game. It was a great time!

I want every Redskins fan to enjoy the Redskins the way we did back then. In a way, I must believe that Jay Gruden could be the same type of fortunate hire that Joe Gibbs turned out to be. I believe that one man, the right Head Coach, can make the difference between winning and losing. If Jay Gruden is the right man, I believe we can be good again for a decade or more.

The salad days. It was an awesome time as a Skins fan.

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by KI Skins Fan

I might have enjoyed the lyrics at some other time. Right now, I just wish that we could all enjoy Redskins football again. Personally, I refuse to let losing get me down.

I was lucky because I was a Redskins fan when George Allen and Joe Gibbs (Version I) coached here. Back then, we knew we could beat anybody and we believed that we were never out of a game. It was a great time!

I want every Redskins fan to enjoy the Redskins the way we did back then. In a way, I must believe that Jay Gruden could be the same type of fortunate hire that Joe Gibbs turned out to be. I believe that one man, the right Head Coach, can make the difference between winning and losing. If Jay Gruden is the right man, I believe we can be good again for a decade or more.

My kids are 6 and 10. They kind of like the Skins b/c of me and but we are in the heart of Ravens land and there is a lot of pressure on them to buy in both from friends and b/c, as kids, they want to root for winners.

I desperately need a "salad days" type run to firmly cement them into Redskins Nation for life.

[irish]

Originally Posted by KI Skins Fan

I HATE revisionist history! Haslett sucks and you all know it!

How many more times are you willing to endure Haslett letting Dallas off the hook on a key FOURTH down play by calling some stupid defense that causes us to lose the game? He's done that more than once, you know.

Trust your own eyes and remember the misery that he has put us through.

Amen Brother! All this "he didnt do such a bad job" talk is a joke. He was terrible. Haslett should have been gone before Shanny.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by irish

Amen Brother! All this "he didnt do such a bad job" talk is a joke. He was terrible. Haslett should have been gone before Shanny.

I wanted Haslett gone at the bye. I said I would be sick if he stayed.

Now, with visions of sugarplums dancing in my head, I am thinking - Shanny ruined many a DC's career in Denver. The stories that Cooley and others have shared about Haslett getting overturned and micromanaged by Shanny make a lot of sense to me. And then there is the relationship he has with JG and the experience that he could bring to the table.

So, right now, I am at the abyss, I have accepted that he may stay as an assistant head coach - Defense, where he might have some input both to the DC and to JG, but is not actively calling the D, or planning the scheme. If DS is paying him anyway, you might as well get some value from him.

But if they fire him tomorrow, I will still have a big smile

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by irish

Amen Brother! All this "he didnt do such a bad job" talk is a joke. He was terrible. Haslett should have been gone before Shanny.

agree

[donofriose]

Hasleet should have been in the same boat as Shanahan.

They both did nothing to prove that they should keep their positions.