'Occupy' types

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Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

In a land where you cannot be jailed solely on the basis of what you say, where everyone has access to the political process and all are eligible to vote and to run for office, peaceful revolution is not "impossible in the US". It has happened before (MLK's civil rights movement) and can happen again.

Peaceful revolution, however, is unable to take place here:
Egypt Erupts: Arab Spring cradle seethes with fresh unrest - YouTube

A Weekend Of Violence in Cairo - Image Gallery - YouTube

To equate what's going on in Egypt at Tahrir Square to pepper spray at a college campus is just insulting.

Funny how Obama has not commented on the violence in Cairo. I guess when you back the oppressive military then you just look the other way.

[JoeRedskin]

Cal is paying for the medical bills of the students who were peppered sprayed, dismissing the misdemeanor charges against the protestors who were arrested and has placed two officers and the chief of police on administrative leave.
University to pay pepper spray medical bills - Local News - Detroit, MI - msnbc.com

Another take on the issue:

"Charles J. Kelly, a former Baltimore Police Department lieutenant who wrote the department's use of force guidelines, said pepper spray is a "compliance tool" that can be used on subjects who do not resist, and is preferable to simply lifting protesters.

"When you start picking up human bodies, you risk hurting them," Kelly said. "Bodies don't have handles on them."

After reviewing the video, Kelly said he observed at least two cases of "active resistance" from protesters. In one instance, a woman pulls her arm back from an officer. In the second instance, a protester curls into a ball. Each of those actions could have warranted more force, including baton strikes and pressure-point techniques.

"What I'm looking at is fairly standard police procedure," Kelly said.

UC Davis Pepper Spray Video At Occupy Protest Launches Probe By University (VIDEO)

On the other hand:

Los Angeles attorney Okorie Okorocha called the pepper spraying unreasoned and excessive.

"Tear gas you spray in the area you want people to move away from," Okorocha told ABC News. "Pepper spray is to keep the people from being able to mount an attack. Here the police officer is trying to disperse a crowd. Why would you incapacitate them?"

Occupy UC Davis Pepper Spraying: Cops Suspended - ABC News ... [FYI: Per his website, Mr. Okorocha is a high profile criminal defense lawyer in California who's website says his nickname is "Dr. DUI" (sorry, I just got a laugh out of that) Newport Beach DUI Lawyers DUI Attorneys in Newport Beach DUI Defense in Orange County]

Finally, from the UC Davis Police Guidelines on use of Force, specifically, use of chemical agents:

812. Only authorized personnel may possess and maintain department issued oleoresin capsicum spray. Chemical agents are weapons used to minimize the potential for injury to officers, offenders, or other persons. They should be used only in situations where such force reasonably appears justified and necessary.

http://www.ucop.edu/ucophome/coordre..._adminproc.pdf

[The Goat]

I've been pepper sprayed and let me tell you it's effing awful. It's actually a funny story!!! About 20 years ago when I was a young lad I rode my bike everywhere. There was a german shephard in my neighborhood that was ferocious so I started carrying OC-10 bear spray. One day the effing K9 comes out to get me and I fumbled w/ the pepper spray and...you guessed it...soaked my own face and neck in seconds flat. Dog just watched me writhe there in pain, leaving my bike in the road to stumble back home.

The not so funny part is (for some people) at least pepper spray has permanent effects. My face has since been ultra sensative to dry, cold and wind...cracks like paint if I don't use lotion and especially in the winter. Allergies also started for me then. I've read some people end up w/ nervous system issues after pepper spray.

That said, the cops who use spray on non-threatening, peaceful protestors should be brought to justice.

Personally if a cop brutalized me or someone close to me w/o good reason you can bet your sweet ass I will take care of it myself and see that thug take his/her last breath...mean it.

[mlmpetert]

*SPOILER ALERT*

Remember in Under Siege 2 when the evil guy takes the pepper spray from steven seagals daughter and sprays it in his mouth like bianca and says "that's not mace sweetheart, it peppery spray sold to civilians "?

That guy was totally sweet. I think he ended up dieing in a knife fight in the kitchen cart at the end of the movie, but in real life id take his character over segal's. That guy was totally badass

[JPPT1974]

Well unless you want to be peppered spray hence OC-Davis, then go without me. Despite being against the Wall Street thing. Still not my cup of tea to protest. Sorry!

[NC_Skins]

[MTK]

[JoeRedskin]

^^ lol

[MTK]

The 'Pepper Spraying Cop' Is Officially a Meme - New York News - Runnin' Scared

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I don't get why they let these people OWS take over parks for 2 months and now they want to kick them out. Would it not be much easier to let the winter cold drive them away. I think it would be fun to watch and see ho long they could last.

[Alvin Walton]

[FRPLG]

Word of the day: Ass-douche

[saden1]

Originally Posted by FRPLG

Word of the day: Ass-douche

Yes, terrorists want our hot tubs and big boob bitches.

Adam Carolla = Childish = Major FAIL!

[That Guy]

they hate us because of israel/palestine from 1948, from overthrowing iran's democracy in the 50s, supporting israel and theit retaliations/wars/mossad actions, and some from afghanistan, iraq, kuwait, afghanistan (the proxy war) and some even from the crusades, from which stories are told as if they happened yesterday.

the big problem is that hate isn't natural, its taught, it's learned and they can REALLY hold a grudge.

I don't think hating us for our houses that they can't see or don't care about makes a lot of sense. it was stupid when bush used the "they hate us because our women wear hig heels" argument in 2002. I think they have much more concrete and serious issues.

I think he skips the whole, banking lost everyone else's money, got bailed out, and left everyone they stole from holding the bag (while losing their houses etc) I know a lot of those people shouldn't have bought into housing they couldn't afford, but the banks got trillions in 0.01% interest government loans and hundreds of billions for free.

is a bank getting trillions at 0.01% interest, investing it in government treasuries at 3% and then keeping billions in profit fair? Cause I'd like to get in on that. The banks DID NOT use the bailout or loan money to continue lending, which was the whole point, but if you've tried to get a loan right now, even with an 800 rating, it's a LOT LOT harder than it used to be.

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Originally Posted by That Guy

they hate us because of israel/palestine from 1948, from overthrowing iran's democracy in the 50s, supporting israel and theit retaliations/wars/mossad actions, and some from afghanistan, iraq, kuwait, afghanistan (the proxy war) and some even from the crusades, from which stories are told as if they happened yesterday.

the big problem is that hate isn't natural, its taught, it's learned and they can REALLY hold a grudge.

I don't think hating us for our houses that they can't see or don't care about makes a lot of sense. it was stupid when bush used the "they hate us because our women wear hig heels" argument in 2002. I think they have much more concrete and serious issues.

I think he skips the whole, banking lost everyone else's money, got bailed out, and left everyone they stole from holding the bag (while losing their houses etc) I know a lot of those people shouldn't have bought into housing they couldn't afford, but the banks got trillions in 0.01% interest government loans and hundreds of billions for free.

is a bank getting trillions at 0.01% interest, investing it in government treasuries at 3% and then keeping billions in profit fair? Cause I'd like to get in on that. The banks DID NOT use the bailout or loan money to continue lending, which was the whole point, but if you've tried to get a loan right now, even with an 800 rating, it's a LOT LOT harder than it used to be.

I have just over a 800 rating and have had no trouble getting a lot loan and have two banks fighting to get my business.