Commanders 2023 Off-Season Thread

[AnonEmouse]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

I really wish they'd increase overall and gameday roster sizes. Especially since we know the owners will strong arm their way through an 18-game season.

Think the 49ers wish that too now...

[calia]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

I really wish they'd increase overall and gameday roster sizes. Especially since we know the owners will strong arm their way through an 18-game season.

This. It’s crazy. Unless people like seeing RBs playing QB in the playoffs.


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[skinsfaninok]

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[skinsfaninok]

https://www.barstoolsports.com/blog/...ason-a-success.

[mredskins]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

https://www.barstoolsports.com/blog/...ason-a-success.

More painful too me is that all the other teams in the nfc east made the playoffs and look at the giants they have way less talent then us but still managed to make playoffs.

Also if you want really pour a box of Morton salt on the laceration look at all the talent that has come through here from coaching to players and we just let it all slip away. so even when we get it right we fuck it up.

We could have joe fucking burrow and still suck.

And it all points back to one giant ass clown.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

https://www.barstoolsports.com/blog/...ason-a-success.

Ouch. Lol. So true. Every word. Worst is Ron choosing to believe we had a successful season. He probably doesn’t realize it ended yet.

[SunnySide]

But what should Curl earn in a new contract?

Coupled with Monday’s news regarding the salary cap increase in 2023, Curl’s new contract should make him among the top five paid safeties in the NFL next season. Currently, Derwin James, Minkah Fitzpatrick, Jamal Adams, Harrison Smith and Justin Simmons comprise the top five. James has an average-annual value of $19 million per year, while Simmons comes in at $15.2 million.

There’s no way Curl comes in less than $15 million per season. Regardless, Washington can’t wait this one out. It’s best for everyone if Washington calls Curl to the negotiating table in February and hammers out a new deal.

https://commanderswire.usatoday.com/...l-daron-payne/

I like Curl but dang ...

[sdskinsfan2001]

Originally Posted by SunnySide

But what should Curl earn in a new contract?

Coupled with Monday’s news regarding the salary cap increase in 2023, Curl’s new contract should make him among the top five paid safeties in the NFL next season. Currently, Derwin James, Minkah Fitzpatrick, Jamal Adams, Harrison Smith and Justin Simmons comprise the top five. James has an average-annual value of $19 million per year, while Simmons comes in at $15.2 million.

There’s no way Curl comes in less than $15 million per season. Regardless, Washington can’t wait this one out. It’s best for everyone if Washington calls Curl to the negotiating table in February and hammers out a new deal.

https://commanderswire.usatoday.com/...l-daron-payne/

I like Curl but dang ...

Pay that man his money. He's the exact kind of guy we want to keep. I don't know about 80 million, but 4 years and 65 million (or thereabouts) would be fine w/ me.

[Chief X_Phackter]

Originally Posted by SunnySide

But what should Curl earn in a new contract?

Coupled with Monday’s news regarding the salary cap increase in 2023, Curl’s new contract should make him among the top five paid safeties in the NFL next season. Currently, Derwin James, Minkah Fitzpatrick, Jamal Adams, Harrison Smith and Justin Simmons comprise the top five. James has an average-annual value of $19 million per year, while Simmons comes in at $15.2 million.

There’s no way Curl comes in less than $15 million per season. Regardless, Washington can’t wait this one out. It’s best for everyone if Washington calls Curl to the negotiating table in February and hammers out a new deal.

https://commanderswire.usatoday.com/...l-daron-payne/

I like Curl but dang ...

I hear you...

The reality is, even though the salary cap is going up, I don't think you can pay top five salaries for players at every position group. You have to pick your poison when it comes to resigning players to these lucrative contracts. Not everyone that balls out is going to be retained/paid. You sign who you can based on what you think their value is to the team, and then hope you can continue to find cheaper alternatives either in free agency or the draft for those players you can't afford. Letting Settle and Matty I go and bringing in Ridgeway and Mathis is an example of that likely working out / and letting Fowers and Scherff go and bringing in Turner and Norwell is an example of that not working out.

I don't know if Curl is going to get a top five salary here, but if not, my guess is he will get it somewhere else. It just boils down to the importance of the team being successful in the draft - especially the later rounds which is exactly where we found Curl, and being successful in free agency. I hope we retain Curl, but only if it makes sense with regard to the ability to build out the rest of the roster. If they can't extend him, it was a success - drafting him in the 7th round and getting four years out of him at that salary. We need more examples of that (and a QB).

[SunnySide]

Originally Posted by Chief X_Phackter

I hear you...

The reality is, even though the salary cap is going up, I don't think you can pay top five salaries for players at every position group. You have to pick your poison when it comes to resigning players to these lucrative contracts. Not everyone that balls out is going to be retained/paid. You sign who you can based on what you think their value is to the team, and then hope you can continue to find cheaper alternatives either in free agency or the draft for those players you can't afford. Letting Settle and Matty I go and bringing in Ridgeway and Mathis is an example of that likely working out / and letting Fowers and Scherff go and bringing in Turner and Norwell is an example of that not working out.

I don't know if Curl is going to get a top five salary here, but if not, my guess is he will get it somewhere else. It just boils down to the importance of the team being successful in the draft - especially the later rounds which is exactly where we found Curl, and being successful in free agency. I hope we retain Curl, but only if it makes sense with regard to the ability to build out the rest of the roster. If they can't extend him, it was a success - drafting him in the 7th round and getting four years out of him at that salary. We need more examples of that (and a QB).

I know Norwell sucked a big bag early on and we had injuries causing a turnstile at RG .. but scherff wasnt good this year, I think the cap savings of not being anchored to a long term deal with an old oft injured vet in Scherff was the right move.

Scherff is a 20M cap hit next year, which is fine if he plays top 5 for guards ... but he didnt.

Norwell - 59.8 pff, 4 sacks
Scherff - 59 pff, 6 sacks

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Curl .. second highest rated safety by PFF w 82.9 .... and hes great in coverage, green dot, D better w him etc .. but did he have one game changing play this year?

I could name 10 safeties id want above steady solid Curl. I know it doesnt work that way and you have to pay whose available and the market is always being reset ...

Kinda like Sweat .. I just dont see either being elite at their position, very good yes but not elite

[Chief X_Phackter]

Originally Posted by SunnySide

I know Norwell sucked a big bag early on and we had injuries causing a turnstile at RG .. but scherff wasnt good this year, I think the cap savings of not being anchored to a long term deal with an old oft injured vet in Scherff was the right move.

Scherff is a 20M cap hit next year, which is fine if he plays top 5 for guards ... but he didnt.

Norwell - 59.8 pff, 4 sacks
Scherff - 59 pff, 6 sacks

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Curl .. second highest rated safety by PFF w 82.9 .... and hes great in coverage, green dot, D better w him etc .. but did he have one game changing play this year?

I could name 10 safeties id want above steady solid Curl. I know it doesnt work that way and you have to pay whose available and the market is always being reset ...

Kinda like Sweat .. I just dont see either being elite at their position, very good yes but not elite

Yeah, I can't speak to what happened to Scherff this year in JAX, but I do know that we lost every single game in 2021 that he didn't start. Was that a coincidence? Maybe. Either way I was fine with letting him go (not paying him top $), I just wish we would have found a better alternative than who we brought in to replace him.

[AnonEmouse]

I don't see how we have a choice about paying Curl top 10 money, but top 5? I'd take a breath before committing that kind of money. He's great but he's not top 5. Yet. I'd love to see us set for 3-5 years at safety (for me he and Forrest should fill that need).

Of course the other side of the coin is we'd need to replace him if we let him walk. A similar calibre FA is going to probably cost an equivalent salary to keeping him, and if he's gone we have to look at a draft pick to fill the gap (and of course there's no guarantees with a draftee).

We've also got to see what happens with Payne. Neither is cut and dried right now. I'd love to see them both re-signed early to reasonable contracts. If it drags out...

[skinsfaninok]

https://twitter.com/KCurl_2/status/1...T2R_F4QmBYMDwQ

This is not the way to go about it though...

[AnonEmouse]

I think Chief meant that we replaced Flowers and Scherff with inferior subs, not that we should have kept either. And Flowers was still an FA even when teams like Cincy were in dire need of OL. We just made a bad choice with who we replaced them with. I'd really like to have seen them rebuild the OL in the draft and I hope they do that this year. And not retain projects like Charles again!

With Curl the one factor I'd also consider is his locker room and on field leadership. All good words said about him by players and coaches and that doesn't count for nothing. Yes its a business, but you can't discount the intangibles when deciding what to pay him. You can't have 53 leaders on the roster, but we should try to keep at least one leader in each position group.

[Chief X_Phackter]

Originally Posted by AnonEmouse

I think Chief meant that we replaced Flowers and Scherff with inferior subs, not that we should have kept either. And Flowers was still an FA even when teams like Cincy were in dire need of OL. We just made a bad choice with who we replaced them with. I'd really like to have seen them rebuild the OL in the draft and I hope they do that this year. And not retain projects like Charles again!

With Curl the one factor I'd also consider is his locker room and on field leadership. All good words said about him by players and coaches and that doesn't count for nothing. Yes its a business, but you can't discount the intangibles when deciding what to pay him. You can't have 53 leaders on the roster, but we should try to keep at least one leader in each position group.

Exactly.