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[Darrell Green Fan]

Originally Posted by sdskinsfan2001

The biggest lie in the history of America is that the democratic party cares about the average american.

And yes, I said party. There are obviously individual democrats that do care.

Also, I'm ready for Spider-Man.

I don't agree with this. It's the Dems who want to raise taxes on the wealthy and lower them for the middle class. Social programs such as the Affordable Care Act were most definitely to help average Americans who simply can not afford health care coverage.

[nonniey]

Originally Posted by Darrell Green Fan

I don't agree with this. It's the Dems who want to raise taxes on the wealthy and lower them for the middle class. Social programs such as the Affordable Care Act were most definitely to help average Americans who simply can not afford health care coverage.

Actually no, they may say they want to cut taxes on the middle class but most of the tax rates they have passed hit the middle class more than any other group, ACA being the perfect example. The biggest losers from the ACA were those in the lower to mid middle class that didn't qualify for the subsidies (resulting in millions no longer having insurance at all - yes even more poorer people did gain insurance but it was at the expense of the lower middle class) while the rest of the middle class and higher had their Medical costs shy-rocket. And the recent Dem economic policies have been downright awful. The Inflation Reduction Act should have been called the Inflation Acceleration Act (Heck there wasn't any part of it designed to lower inflation, and its' actual results weren't really a surprise to anyone) - that was a massive hit on the middle class.

[Darrell Green Fan]

Originally Posted by nonniey

Actually no, they may say they want to cut taxes on the middle class but most of the tax rates they have passed hit the middle class more than any other group, ACA being the perfect example. The biggest losers from the ACA were those in the lower to mid middle class that didn't qualify for the subsidies (resulting in millions no longer having insurance at all - yes even more poorer people did gain insurance but it was at the expense of the lower middle class) while the rest of the middle class and higher had their Medical costs shy-rocket. And the recent Dem economic policies have been downright awful. The Inflation Reduction Act should have been called the Inflation Acceleration Act (Heck there wasn't any part of it designed to lower inflation, and its' actual results weren't really a surprise to anyone) - that was a massive hit on the middle class.

I made this comment in another thread. Inflation post COVID was a worldwide issue, if you look at where the US ranked in 2023 on the list we are far far down that list. To blame the Biden Administration for a problem that was a global problem and far worse in so many other countries is flat out wrong. By the way the Inflation Reducton Act succeeded. Inflation was cut nearly in half from 22 to 23. .

As for the ACA the income limits for subsidies goes to $58,320, For a 2 person household that figure goes up to $78,880. That is most definitely middle class in America so again your claim that the ACA prevents lower and middle class workers from qualifying is simply not backed up by the facts.

https://www.goodrx.com/insurance/aca/aca-income-limits

[nonniey]

Originally Posted by Darrell Green Fan

I made this comment in another thread. Inflation post COVID was a worldwide issue, if you look at where the US ranked in 2023 on the list we are far far down that list. To blame the Biden Administration for a problem that was a global problem and far worse in so many other countries is flat out wrong. By the way the Inflation Reducton Act succeeded. Inflation was cut nearly in half from 22 to 23. .

As for the ACA the income limits for subsidies goes to $58,320, For a 2 person household that figure goes up to $78,880. That is most definitely middle class in America so again your claim that the ACA prevents lower and middle class workers from qualifying is simply not backed up by the facts.

https://www.goodrx.com/insurance/aca/aca-income-limits

I said accelerated which means inflation was already moving and any economist will tell you that the Inflation Reduction Act contributed to the increase in the inflationary rate (In fact none of it was designed to lower inflation, the name was pure propaganda).

As for the ACA rates are based on 400 times the federal poverty level. They only take into account insurance rates for adjustment not the cost of living for different areas. Middle class (family of three) varies according to an areas cost of living. You used the middle-class definition at the national level 49-148K, but in Maryland for example it is $66k-197K and in really high areas (San Fran) it begins at $250K. Millions of people, all middle class, who had insurance prior to ACA, had to drop insurance and do without because it massively drove up costs and they couldn't afford it any longer. There were winners and losers in ACA, and the biggest losers came from the middle class.

[Darrell Green Fan]

Originally Posted by nonniey

I said accelerated which means inflation was already occurring and any economist will tell you that the Inflation Reduction Act contributed to the increase in the inflationary rate (In fact none of it was designed to lower inflation the name was pure propaganda).

As for the ACA it was those above that 58K and 78K threshold to about the 90k area that had been paying for insurance previously but were knocked off when they no longer could afford it. There were winners and losers in ACA. and the biggest losers came from the middle class.

But that's now what you said. You referenced lower and middle class earners who could not qualify for the ACA. $58 grand is not lower class. It's firmly middle class and which starts at $43,350 as defined by the Pew Research Center. Safe to say there are tens of millions of Americans who earn below $58 grand, which includes lower and middle class earners, who most definitely qualify for the ACA.

Of course there will be "experts" who claim the Inflation Reducton Act actually increased inflation. It was enacted late in 2022. Inflation went from 9.84 in '22 to 4.06% in '23. Today it sits at 2.9%

Where I come from that's called scoreboard. It worked, obviously.

[nonniey]

Originally Posted by Darrell Green Fan

But that's now what you said. You referenced lower and middle class earners who could not qualify for the ACA. $58 grand is not lower class. It's firmly middle class and which starts at $43,350 as defined by the Pew Research Center. Safe to say there are tens of millions of Americans who earn below $58 grand, which includes lower and middle class earners, who most definitely qualify for the ACA.

Of course there will be "experts" who claim the Inflation Reducton Act actually increased inflation. It was enacted late in 2022. Inflation went from 9.84 in '22 to 4.06% in '23. Today it sits at 2.9%

Where I come from that's called scoreboard. It worked, obviously.

Look at my response again (I was editing it while you were responding to the unedited version) And yes it was the lower (to clarify the lower middle class not the lower class) to mid-middle class that got hit the hardest.

And again none of the Inflationary Reduction Act had measures in it designed to reduce inflation (none), on the contrary it was full of policies that any basic economics teacher will tell you contributes to inflation. That act had nothing to do with inflation coming back down.