Campbell's numbers dont lie

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by 44Deezel

Cassell was sacked more than Campbell last year, so the O-line argument falls flat. And Brady proved he could be good with mediocre talent at the skill positions. Name his WRs and RBs when he won 3 Super Bowls.

And Campbell isn't coming off a season ending knee injury. And while the stats are similar, Brady's widely considered to be struggling by his standards, while Campbell is playing the best football of his career.

1) Campbell is better than Cassel. By a lot.

2) You responded to my point above that you'd absolutely take Brady this year, injured knee, lack of confidence to plant his front foot and throw and all, so you have to live with that then. You can't point out that Brady, in the past, has been way better than he's playing now if your premise is that you'd take the current performance over Campbell.

Nobody is going to argue career Jason Campbell vs. career Tom Brady. It's silly and not relevant to anything.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

I'm sure the insanity of your post has already been picked apart, but the stats you mention don't really mean much of anything. You're talking fantasy football stats, not real stats. The if you've watched the games, the vast majority of JC's production has come when we are behind late in the game and opposing defenses are playing prevent.

Of the quarteracks you mention with lower QB ratings than Campbell, not a single sane person would take Campbell over any of them. Nothing Campbell has shown me this year changes my opinion of him - he's the best QB on our roster, but he holds on to the ball too long, makes poor decions, can't get it done when it counts, and doesn't have the "it" factor you need in a franchise QB.

I garauntee by the end of the season, you and everyone who has made excuses for Campbell over the past several years will be regretting that we werent able to land Cutler or Sanchez in the offseason. I said it before and I'll restate it now - both of those guys are better than any QBs that will be available in the draft in 2010. I love Orakpo, but he's never going to single-handedly lead this team to the playoffs, which is something Cutler and Sanchez will be doing for their respective teams for years to come.

I don't know of any fantasy football league on the planet that uses completion percentage or quarterback rating to score it's players. Have we not played fantasy football?

If you can make an airtight statistical argument that Campbell is not getting it done when it matters (without using the 'it' cliche, because frankly, no one cares), I'll hat tip you and move on. Otherwise, you're just being a blowhard for everyone elses QB, who have not been as good as Jason Campbell this year.

[celts32]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

I'm sure the insanity of your post has already been picked apart, but the stats you mention don't really mean much of anything. You're talking fantasy football stats, not real stats. The if you've watched the games, the vast majority of JC's production has come when we are behind late in the game and opposing defenses are playing prevent.

Of the quarteracks you mention with lower QB ratings than Campbell, not a single sane person would take Campbell over any of them. Nothing Campbell has shown me this year changes my opinion of him - he's the best QB on our roster, but he holds on to the ball too long, makes poor decions, can't get it done when it counts, and doesn't have the "it" factor you need in a franchise QB.

I garauntee by the end of the season, you and everyone who has made excuses for Campbell over the past several years will be regretting that we werent able to land Cutler or Sanchez in the offseason. I said it before and I'll restate it now - both of those guys are better than any QBs that will be available in the draft in 2010. I love Orakpo, but he's never going to single-handedly lead this team to the playoffs, which is something Cutler and Sanchez will be doing for their respective teams for years to come.

I agree 100%...I would have traded 3 #1 picks if that's what it took to get Cutler. The teams that win consistently in this league have great QB's.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by dgack

LOL.

Cutler and Sanchez will be single-handedly leading their teams to the playoffs for years to come? I hate to be the one to break this to you, but both of those teams have outstanding defenses.

I'm not saying Sanchez and Cutler aren't playing well or anything, but if you're really suggesting that they are the sole reason for both of those teams to make the playoffs and that they'll be consistently doing so for "years to come", all I can say is "puff-puff-give!"...

Campbell and Cutler are in really comparable offenses this year, so we can keep the comparisons with them all year long. I don't think anyone believes that one has a decisive advantage over the other in terms of talented teammates on the offense.

Can't use win/loss because Chicago's defense is both more talented and better coached.

But if Cutler ends up at the end of the year with much better stats, we can probably conclude he's the better quarterback. If he doesn't, well, our non-move in the offseason looks, really, really good.

[dgack]

Originally Posted by celts32

I agree 100%...I would have traded 3 #1 picks if that's what it took to get Cutler. The teams that win consistently in this league have great QB's.

Okay Vinny, the jig is up, we know that's you in there.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Campbell and Cutler are in really comparable offenses this year, so we can keep the comparisons with them all year long. I don't think anyone believes that one has a decisive advantage over the other in terms of talented teammates on the offense.

Can't use win/loss because Chicago's defense is both more talented and better coached.

But if Cutler ends up at the end of the year with much better stats, we can probably conclude he's the better quarterback. If he doesn't, well, our non-move in the offseason looks, really, really good.

I think he's already better. You saw what the NFL thought of Campbell when we was dangled out there during the off season....and you saw what someone paid to get Cutler. But I hope I'm wrong.

[skinsfan69]

The bottom line is we have a middle of the pack QB and it may always be that way. It's not like we've got a situation that's in Cleveland, Oakland, Tampa Bay, Carolina or KC. I mean Cleveland just benched Quinn to go back to Anderson. I don't think it's gets any worse than that.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

I think he's already better. You saw what the NFL thought of Campbell when we was dangled out there during the off season....and you saw what someone paid to get Cutler. But I hope I'm wrong.

That also goes the other way around. Why was Cutler available if the Broncos didn't feel like they could do better? I mean, McDaniels probably felt that Kyle Orton could win more games than Cutler, as wrongheaded as that may have seemed, Orton has been at least as good through 3 games as Cutler has.

Well, the implication is that Cutler would also pay immediate dividends to the team that got him. At this point, he's probably cost the Bears a game and won them one, so he's probably more or less exactly what Kyle Orton would have done in the same timeframe. Kyle Orton, though, would have beaten the Packers and the Bears would have been closer to winning the division title than with Cutler.

Nobody who has been better than Campbell this season ever came remotely available. Unless you count Brees in 2006...

[celts32]

Originally Posted by dgack

Okay Vinny, the jig is up, we know that's you in there.

If I were Vinny then Cutler would be starting for the Redskins. 25 year old franchise QB's don't grow on trees. I am 38 years old and the Redskins have been looking for one my whole life.

I wish I were Vinny because then I could resign and save the Redskins.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag359

If we had signed Drew Brees we wouldn't have been in this mess. All we would be talking about now is weather Brees would throw 5 or 10 touchdowns on Sunday. Then again the whole league is thinking the same thing.

I don't think anybody knew Brees would explode the way he has coming off that shoulder injury. He's just been flat out balling. See to me this is what shows how good a QB is. Is Devry Henderson, Robert Meachum, Marcus Colston, Lance Moore and Shockey any better than the guys we have??? Colston may be but that's it if you ask me. The rest of them seem like average players. Shockey is overrated. How do they move the ball the way they do with these guys??? It must be the QB, good scheme and o-line. But if you put JC in that offense they don't move the ball the way they do.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

I don't think anybody knew Brees would explode the way he has coming off that shoulder injury. He's just been flat out balling. See to me this is what shows how good a QB is. Is Devry Henderson, Robert Meachum, Marcus Colston, Lance Moore and Shockey any better than the guys we have??? Colston may be but that's it if you ask me. The rest of them seem like average players. Shockey is overrated. How do they move the ball the way they do with these guys??? It must be the QB, good scheme and o-line. But if you put JC in that offense they don't move the ball the way they do.

I think we could make the case that no quarterback in NFL history is more accurate than Drew Brees. The guy does magical things with a football in his hands.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

That also goes the other way around. Why was Cutler available if the Broncos didn't feel like they could do better? I mean, McDaniels probably felt that Kyle Orton could win more games than Cutler, as wrongheaded as that may have seemed, Orton has been at least as good through 3 games as Cutler has.

Well, the implication is that Cutler would also pay immediate dividends to the team that got him. At this point, he's probably cost the Bears a game and won them one, so he's probably more or less exactly what Kyle Orton would have done in the same timeframe. Kyle Orton, though, would have beaten the Packers and the Bears would have been closer to winning the division title than with Cutler.

Nobody who has been better than Campbell this season ever came remotely available. Unless you count Brees in 2006...

Well that's casue McDaniels was a total dumbass and wanted his own guy and let it get out to the media. Otherwise there is no way in hell a guy like that becomes available. We're only 3 games in. Let's have this conversation again later on in the year. Over the long haul Denver is going no where with Orton IMO.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

I don't think anybody knew Brees would explode the way he has coming off that shoulder injury. He's just been flat out balling. See to me this is what shows how good a QB is. Is Devry Henderson, Robert Meachum, Marcus Colston, Lance Moore and Shockey any better than the guys we have??? Colston may be but that's it if you ask me. The rest of them seem like average players. Shockey is overrated. How do they move the ball the way they do with these guys??? It must be the QB, good scheme and o-line. But if you put JC in that offense they don't move the ball the way they do.

Your assuming he would not do as well.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Well that's casue McDaniels was a total dumbass and wanted his own guy and let it get out to the media. Otherwise there is no way in hell a guy like that becomes available. We're only 3 games in. Let's have this conversation again later on in the year. Over the long haul Denver is going no where with Orton IMO.

McDaniels probably won't look as good in Week 7 as he does in Week 3. But his big game is against New England. If he wins that one, even a 2-6 stretch in the next 8 games gives the Broncos a really good shot to win the division. And I can't believe I'm saying that because I was certain Seattle would be picking in the top 5 with Denver's first rounder.

How about the job Mike Nolan has done with that defense? Brady Quinn absolutely carved them up last year, and Nolan made him look like a green as grass rookie (as did Baltimore, but they do that to everyone).

Unlike last year (jsarno), I think Denver is completely for real.

[dgack]

Originally Posted by celts32

If I were Vinny then Cutler would be starting for the Redskins. 25 year old franchise QB's don't grow on trees. I am 38 years old and the Redskins have been looking for one my whole life.

I wish I were Vinny because then I could resign and save the Redskins.

I was referring to how casually you were willing to drop three #1 picks