Current Redskins Salary Cap Status - 2009

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by NM Redskin

He plays a 100% percent. Both of our last two coaches rave about his pratice work ethic and locker room presence. Shoot, Joe Gibbs once said he wished he had 53 James Trashes. And last but not least, he never get any love on this board and has been a redskin forever.

and now he's ancient and even slower. 53 james thrashes would lose you a lot of games.

[Pocket$ $traight]

Originally Posted by That Guy

and now he's ancient and even slower. 53 james thrashes would lose you a lot of games.

Yeah but he is a core guy and he fights his guts out. 53 James Thrashes would be 0-16 to the Lions.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by CrazyCanuck

I have updated my sheets to reflect everything above except:
- The addition of Haynesworth, Hall, and Dockery.

Based on PCinOZ's info I was able to decipher the details of all the extensions.

I have us at $13.682M of cap room.

The top thread was updated to reflect better details on the four contract extensions (Carter, Randle El, Griffin, and Samuels). JLC had reported a savings of 10.0 between them. Your numbers showed an actual savings of 9.1 between them.

This was changed. At this point, I'm getting 3.5 million in cap room, which now jumps off your 13.6 with added estimations for Haynesworth, Hall, and Dockery, plus the $4 million increase in the cap limit.

It has occurred to me the Redskins may want to get a punter worth a crap. I haven't seen anything saying they plan to do so, though.

Thanks for the info, CC.

[NM Redskin]

Originally Posted by That Guy

and now he's ancient and even slower. 53 james thrashes would lose you a lot of games.

He is not slow and ancient, see the example of the video I posted from last year. And apparently you fail to see the point that Gibbs was trying to make, that effort and hard work count for something and that if more players had that drive it would make his job so much easier.

[CrazyCanuck]

Just did another update with the following:

- Added Haynesworth, Hall, and Dockery contracts. Haven't found any specific salary or bonus info yet but I'm using assumptions based on various media reports. I have Haynesworth at $7.9M for 2009 and Hall at $5.2M as per this article: Washington Times - Redskins spend freely despite cap. I have Dockery's 2009 cap hit at $1.8M.

- Changed salary cap from $123M to $127M.

I now have us at $3.787M of cap room.

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by CrazyCanuck

Just did another update with the following:

- Added Haynesworth, Hall, and Dockery contracts. Haven't found any specific salary or bonus info yet but I'm using assumptions based on various media reports. I have Haynesworth at $7.9M for 2009 and Hall at $5.2M as per this article: Washington Times - Redskins spend freely despite cap. I have Dockery's 2009 cap hit at $1.8M.

- Changed salary cap from $123M to $127M.

I now have us at $3.787M of cap room.

This is just enough to sign our draftees i guess. Are there any players left to restructure to the point we could sign another FA olineman?

[NM Redskin]

Let me just add, if the Redskins were a baby in a burning building, James Thrash would rush in and save the Redskins.

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

The top thread was updated to reflect better details on the four contract extensions (Carter, Randle El, Griffin, and Samuels). JLC had reported a savings of 10.0 between them. Your numbers showed an actual savings of 9.1 between them.

This was changed. At this point, I'm getting 3.5 million in cap room, which now jumps off your 13.6 with added estimations for Haynesworth, Hall, and Dockery, plus the $4 million increase in the cap limit.

It has occurred to me the Redskins may want to get a punter worth a crap. I haven't seen anything saying they plan to do so, though.

Thanks for the info, CC.

I think i heard they looked at hunter smith, but the money is pretty tight now.

if the deals were haynesworth (41/5 + .745 = 8.945) hall (22.5/5 + .745 = 5.245), and dockery (8.5/5 + .745 = 2.445) that's 16.635mill.

that's 5 years proration on bonuses + vet min for years in the NFL. If the bonuses are guaranteed, according the the rules for this year, they're either pro-rated, like the signing bonus, or count 100% or 50% towards 2009's cap (50% if the guaranteed money is to be paid after 2012). I don't know the status on at least 8mill of haynesworth's guarantees, so i'm assuming proration for now, since that's the smallest 2009 cap hit.

the 8mill might be some type of split bonus but i'm not sure you can call non-guaranteed money as part of the 41$mill guarantee.

2009 specific salary cap 101:
Salary Cap 101: The Final Capped Year - NFL UK Forums

again, if someone has better info, please share.

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by NM Redskin

He is not slow and ancient, see the example of the video I posted from last year. And apparently you fail to see the point that Gibbs was trying to make, that effort and hard work count for something and that if more players had that drive it would make his job so much easier.

no, i see that point, along with the super smart football players fighting their guts out after every losing game too.

if the best highlight you have of thrash is of a corner falling down and leaving him uncovered, well... that's pretty weak. he's just not very good.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by CrazyCanuck

Just did another update with the following:

- Added Haynesworth, Hall, and Dockery contracts. Haven't found any specific salary or bonus info yet but I'm using assumptions based on various media reports. I have Haynesworth at $7.9M for 2009 and Hall at $5.2M as per this article: Washington Times - Redskins spend freely despite cap. I have Dockery's 2009 cap hit at $1.8M.

- Changed salary cap from $123M to $127M.

I now have us at $3.787M of cap room.

I changed the numbers in this thread to reflect yours. It amounted to only a 0.3 million change, so we're on the same page.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by The Goat

This is just enough to sign our draftees i guess. Are there any players left to restructure to the point we could sign another FA olineman?

I think we have space to sign another lineman to a Dockery type contract, then still sign our rookies. We might not go that route though. We might instead choose to get a punter worth a darn, and then bring Khary Campbell and Demetric Evans back.

It's impossible to know what the team will do from this point forward, since it's just a matter of filling in a gap or two.

As for restructures, we could actually still save space by restructuring Rabach, cutting Thrash, or extending/restructuring/cutting Jason Taylor. The team has said though that Taylor will be back at his existing salary number. There's a section in the first post showing Other Ways To Reduce the Cap Number.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by That Guy

I think i heard they looked at hunter smith, but the money is pretty tight now.

if the deals were haynesworth (41/5 + .745 = 8.945) hall (22.5/5 + .745 = 5.245), and dockery (8.5/5 + .745 = 2.445) that's 16.635mill.

that's 5 years proration on bonuses + vet min for years in the NFL. If the bonuses are guaranteed, according the the rules for this year, they're either pro-rated, like the signing bonus, or count 100% or 50% towards 2009's cap (50% if the guaranteed money is to be paid after 2012). I don't know the status on at least 8mill of haynesworth's guarantees, so i'm assuming proration for now, since that's the smallest 2009 cap hit.

the 8mill might be some type of split bonus but i'm not sure you can call non-guaranteed money as part of the 41$mill guarantee.

2009 specific salary cap 101:
Salary Cap 101: The Final Capped Year - NFL UK Forums

again, if someone has better info, please share.

Hunter Smith has interest in us, not sure how mutual it is at this point

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by NM Redskin

Let me just add, if the Redskins were a baby in a burning building, James Thrash would rush in and save the Redskins.

Yea but he's the Rock Cartwright of the defense. He knows all the WR routes and is a great ST but if we don't use him or he keeps dropping balls like the rest then all he is, is a ST character type guy. Yes he's a team leader but he's taking a roster spot for just being a ST. No different then Rock. Rocks a nice kick returner and character guy but that's it. He sucks at RB with his one step forward two steps back, dancing in the back field. Rocks the type who loses 15-20 yrds then breaks a 40 or 50 yarder. Thats not what we need. besides he fumbles alot as a RB.

I like Thrash and was happy they brought him back, but if he's only being used in a one dimensional manner then cut him and get another tall young WR to groom by the WR coach who can't develope WR's. lol.

[MTK]

Do we have the room to sign someone like Crowell and Hunter Smith?

Anyone else a little concerned/surprised that we haven't signed Smith yet? I thought he would have been a no-brainer early FA signing. Oh well.

[53Fan]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Do we have the room to sign someone like Crowell and Hunter Smith?

Anyone else a little concerned/surprised that we haven't signed Smith yet? I thought he would have been a no-brainer early FA signing. Oh well.

Yes. I find it hard to believe we're just going to stick with who we have. I'm not even sure of his name.