The 2nd Amendment Thread

[sdskinsfan2001]

Originally Posted by MTK

Kids showing up to the wrong door step or driveway getting shot... when is enough enough?

What does this have to do with the 2nd amendment? Unless you're now arguing that all guns should be outlawed.

The guy is a murderer and should be prosecuted as such.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by sdskinsfan2001

What does this have to do with the 2nd amendment? Unless you're now arguing that all guns should be outlawed.

The guy is a murderer and should be prosecuted as such.

If it has to be spelled out at this point what a problem guns are I don't know what else to say. And no I'm not saying all guns should be outlawed. No reasonable person is saying that. But how about making it a little more difficult for people to get a gun in the first place?

[sdskinsfan2001]

Originally Posted by MTK

If it has to be spelled out at this point what a problem guns are I don't know what else to say. And no I'm not saying all guns should be outlawed. No reasonable person is saying that. But how about making it a little more difficult for people to get a gun in the first place?

This was a 65 year old man that probably has had that gun for a long time. Making guns a little more difficult to get was not going to stop this from happening. The 2nd amendment is not relevant to this shooting unless you don't think people should be able to own guns at all.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by sdskinsfan2001

This was a 65 year old man that probably has had that gun for a long time. Making guns a little more difficult to get was not going to stop this from happening. The 2nd amendment is not relevant to this shooting unless you don't think people should be able to own guns at all.

this thread has turned into more of an all encompassing gun discussion vs pure 2nd amendment so let's not get bogged down in semantics

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by MTK

If it has to be spelled out at this point what a problem guns are I don't know what else to say. And no I'm not saying all guns should be outlawed. No reasonable person is saying that. But how about making it a little more difficult for people to get a gun in the first place?

Serious question, if we know illegal guns are used in 70-85% in gun violence, why don’t you support locking up these folks in illegal possession of a firearm?

No more discussion on gun control unless we enforce the laws on the books. No cashless bails for guns or violent crime.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Serious question, if we know illegal guns are used in 70-85% in gun violence, why don’t you support locking up these folks in illegal possession of a firearm?

No more discussion on gun control unless we enforce the laws on the books. No cashless bails for guns or violent crime.

Who said I don't? I'm all for enforcement of existing laws in addition to strengthening them. They need to go hand in hand though and the gun nuts don't want either.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by sdskinsfan2001

What does this have to do with the 2nd amendment? Unless you're now arguing that all guns should be outlawed.

The guy is a murderer and should be prosecuted as such.

IMO, it's all intertwined. I don't advocate to take guns away but I don't understand the fight back against licensing gun owners like we do with cars. There are age limits, and restrictions and rules and laws to follow all to do with safety. If I can't pass the eye test I can't get my license or renew it till I see a Dr. notice they won't take my car away. But I will need insurance and such. IMO I just think this is common sense but we all know the NRA will scream it is "infringing on my 2nd Amendment Rights". Sorry but a gun owner needs to explain it to me. It's not the gun it's the gun operator but why shouldn't the gun operator be held to a high standard as much as a operator of a vehicle?

[sdskinsfan2001]

Originally Posted by Giantone

IMO, it's all intertwined. I don't advocate to take guns away but I don't understand the fight back against licensing gun owners like we do with cars. There are age limits, and restrictions and rules and laws to follow all to do with safety. If I can't pass the eye test I can't get my license or renew it till I see a Dr. notice they won't take my car away. But I will need insurance and such. IMO I just think this is common sense but we all know the NRA will scream it is "infringing on my 2nd Amendment Rights". Sorry but a gun owner needs to explain it to me. It's not the gun it's the gun operator but why shouldn't the gun operator be held to a high standard as much as a operator of a vehicle?

Someone else will have to answer those for you, because I don't disagree on them.

I just believe all lawfully abiding citizens have the right to own guns of their choosing.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by sdskinsfan2001

Someone else will have to answer those for you, because I don't disagree on them.

I just believe all lawfully abiding citizens have the right to own guns of their choosing.

So the ability to handle that gun correctly/safely should have nothing to do with if that person should have a gun? Many lawfully abiding citizens are not allowed to drive because they can not operate the vehicle safely, why are guns different?

[Chico23231]

https://www.wtvr.com/news/local-news...-april-18-2023

School leader defends decision not to expel Richmond student who allegedly threatened to shoot teacher

Peak into why Richmond city schools are consistently ranked at the bottom of the state. They allow students to threaten to shoot teachers.

“ Multiple teachers at the school said they were scared for their lives because they did not know if the student had received any mental health treatment, or what type of interventions the school would have in place to keep students and staff safe.”

These are the same folks who claim a single armed security at a school “makes it seem like a prison” while Richmond city as well as Democratic run county outside the city just approved 10 million in tax money to install metal detectors in high schools. What type of retard thinks an armed security guard looks worse than metals detectors to come into school each day?

These people don’t care about protecting kids or teachers, they are fucking joke

[Chico23231]

We definitely have a gun crime problem, laws on the books but people refuse to actually enforce the laws and lock up criminals which works.

Until we start to lock up the criminals and enforce gun laws, then I’m a solid no on any new gun laws.

Why create more laws if you fail to enforce them? At this point you are purposely attacking law abiding citizens with guns aka the overwhelming majority

[sdskinsfan2001]

Learning about sex at age 6, no big deal. Learning about guns, oh the humanity.

I do agree w/ the article about guns should never be pointed at anyone though, even if empty.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by sdskinsfan2001

Learning about sex at age 6, no big deal. Learning about guns, oh the humanity.

I do agree w/ the article about guns should never be pointed at anyone though, even if empty.

Are you really comparing a child's sexuality to guns?

[sdskinsfan2001]

Originally Posted by Giantone

Are you really comparing a child's sexuality to guns?

I didn't say anything about anyone's individual sexuality, kids or otherwise.

I said sex.

That is not the same thing.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by sdskinsfan2001

I didn't say anything about anyone's individual sexuality, kids or otherwise.

I said sex.

That is not the same thing.

You might not have meant to but that is the way it came across.