Redskins Trademark cancelled

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by irish

True. I also think about William & Mary which is called the Tribe. They used to use 2 feathers as a logo and that was deemed a no-no so they kept the name Tribe and use a stupid looking griffin creature now.

you know how stupid that sounds along with the Marquette thing?

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

you know how stupid that sounds along with the Marquette thing?

It shows how stupid this whole name debate is to start with. The further down the rabbit hole we go it just gets more dumb.

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

How about all the towns or counties out there with Indian names, I know here in NY we have a ton, do we get rid of them too? Where does it end?

Ir doesn't end. Never will

“Being offended is a natural consequence of leaving the house”

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

It shows how stupid this whole name debate is to start with. The further down the rabbit hole we go it just gets more dumb.

Exactly.

What continues to be ignored is that the term is not actually offensive. If it was there wouldn't be a debate right? What is offensive and what isn't? Who gets to decide? Why can something not offensive become offensive? Words aren't inherently offensive they are made that way...either by those using them or those hearing them. Is there a difference?


We don't name a team the N***, or any other commonly used pejorative why we would anyone? It's offensive. No one uses the term Redskin in any type of derogatory manner (other than that related to football). How come I never hear from any NA who talk expressly about the offensiveness of the word? It is just a couple of words together that don't mean anything and have no real historical context of a derogatory nature.

[Chico23231]

Now that Marquette and W&M have both removed these offensive images and nicknames, are the indians feeling more respected in their areas? Are they attracting more NA students? What about the issues of poverty, substance abuse, alcoholism, is that declining around those areas with the NAs?

When people think the term native american in those areas, do they not think of red skin, black haired people in in cerimonial outfits, riding horses, teepees, piece pipes, bow and arrows? Have they removed those raciest images from their minds?

[irish]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

you know how stupid that sounds along with the Marquette thing?

It very stupid. Some other colleges I can think of is St. John's changing from Redmen to Red Storm, Stanford changing from Indians to Cardinal, and Indiana U of Pa changing from the Indians to Red Hawks. I remember awhile back (maybe the 90s) that the NCAA went on an anti-NA name and imagery campaign and threatened schools with not being allowed to participate in or host events if they continued with these "offensive" names and images.

[irish]

Let the games begin. Chief Wahoo is in the hot seat now.

Native American group planning $9 billion lawsuit against the Indians - CBSSports.com

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by irish

Let the games begin. Chief Wahoo is in the hot seat now.

Native American group planning $9 billion lawsuit against the Indians - CBSSports.com

No surprise, you see and hear the media making garbage arguements and trolling the left...time for the lawyers to exploit it.

Reading that article, I just picture ashy larry pulling up in his newport truck saying "im richhhhh bitchhhhhh"

[tshile]

Good.

The sooner this branches out past the redskins, the sooner the silent majority will stop being silent and tell these people to piss off.

In the past I would have agreed, wahoo is a symbol for how the US thought of native Americans in a disparaging way going back to cartoons in the 60s and 70s.

But now? After the relentless attack on our team, the disingenuous arguments, and the implications of ignorance and racism of the team and its supporters... screw em. please start suing them all so that we can unite all the resources and make this go away.

The time to make rational and reasonable arguments on the issue has passed. You don't get to turn around and try to gain support. The enemy of the enemy is now a friend.

Shame it has to be that way, but it's how I feel now.

[SirLK26]

Originally Posted by irish

Let the games begin. Chief Wahoo is in the hot seat now.

Native American group planning $9 billion lawsuit against the Indians - CBSSports.com

Those poor fellows. They have no idea what they're in for.

Agree with tshile. The more teams that come under attack, the more people that will begin to speak out against this whole "being offended" thing that is becoming more and more popular. Probably won't save our team, but if it helps others, excellent.

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by irish

Let the games begin. Chief Wahoo is in the hot seat now.

Native American group planning $9 billion lawsuit against the Indians - CBSSports.com

$9 billion dollars? LOL! Good luck with that one!

[mitch e]

Originally Posted by skinsguy

She's gotta understand that many mascot names/logos of the NFL and other leagues represent times in history. Why does the logo have to represent the 21st century Native American? The Patriots' logo does not represent the 21st century Patriot. The Vikings logo most certainly doesn't. The 49er's mascot name represents the gold rush back in the 1800's for Pete's sake. These names are often created from a piece of this country (and that general area's) history, and doesn't have to be updated to reflect modern culture. Progressive thinking doesn't mean tossing history aside like a worn out pair of shoes.

In my opinion, I think it's great having historic names and symbols used in professional sports - especially if your children are watching the games with you. It gives you a chance to teach them about where the names came from and history itself. Because Lord knows, there are plenty special interest groups like this one who's sole purpose is to revise history and leave out parts that might "offend" someone. Please! History isn't all roses and ice-cream. Much of it is quite bloody - just like football.

Anyway, the point I'm making is that when you see the Cowboys and Redskins on the field, they are going into "battle" against each other. It's almost like going to a reenactment of a historic war battle. Most of these NFL names represent some type of warrior or solider - whether human or animal (Patriots/Bears), and most represent a specific time period. Heck, the way people keep revising history, the NFL might be the only place to get a history lesson from.

I couldn't agree more, your making a great point!

[12thMan]

Looks like Dan will continue to fight this. Interesting development here.

Redskins tap Tribbett to help in fight over nickname - Decision Virginia

[SFREDSKIN]

Originally Posted by skinsguy

$9 billion dollars? LOL! Good luck with that one!

Yeah, they need the money for a new casino.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by skinsguy

She's gotta understand that many mascot names/logos of the NFL and other leagues represent times in history. Why does the logo have to represent the 21st century Native American? The Patriots' logo does not represent the 21st century Patriot. The Vikings logo most certainly doesn't. The 49er's mascot name represents the gold rush back in the 1800's for Pete's sake. These names are often created from a piece of this country (and that general area's) history, and doesn't have to be updated to reflect modern culture. Progressive thinking doesn't mean tossing history aside like a worn out pair of shoes.

In my opinion, I think it's great having historic names and symbols used in professional sports - especially if your children are watching the games with you. It gives you a chance to teach them about where the names came from and history itself. Because Lord knows, there are plenty special interest groups like this one who's sole purpose is to revise history and leave out parts that might "offend" someone. Please! History isn't all roses and ice-cream. Much of it is quite bloody - just like football.

Anyway, the point I'm making is that when you see the Cowboys and Redskins on the field, they are going into "battle" against each other. It's almost like going to a reenactment of a historic war battle. Most of these NFL names represent some type of warrior or solider - whether human or animal (Patriots/Bears), and most represent a specific time period. Heck, the way people keep revising history, the NFL might be the only place to get a history lesson from.

While I am not supporting Amanda Blackhorse, there's a hidden difference in your argument. Time-wise real Vikings are gone, 49ers are gone, Paul Revere-type patriots are gone. They are historical. But Native Americans continue and would like to be appreciated for who they are now, not frozen in amber in images from the past.