Campbell's numbers dont lie

[dmvskinzfan08]

Originally Posted by warriorzpath

Quarterback is not the only position that matters, but it's the most important. And traditionally the assumed leader of the team. It is especially important with a team like the redskins; a team that has no other leader in sight.

Even if the Brady and Brees plays well, if their team consistently doesn't do well then it reflects on the quarterback (fair or unfair). Brees was the leader of New Orleans in 2007 when they went 7-9, so Brees didn't do so well in 2007 in my eyes.

Part of the quarterback's job is to not only throw the ball well, but also makes sure that everyone else is doing their job. That's what a leader is supposed to.

Kinda feel like your are contradicting yourselves on a few of your points.

[warriorzpath]

Originally Posted by dmvskinzfan08

Kinda feel like your are contradicting yourselves on a few of your points.

Maybe. but most important point- the quarterback is the assumed leader; campbell is not leading the redskins.

[Dirtbag59]

If we had signed Drew Brees we wouldn't have been in this mess. All we would be talking about now is weather Brees would throw 5 or 10 touchdowns on Sunday. Then again the whole league is thinking the same thing.

[dmvskinzfan08]

Leader or not. He can't make the plays for his team mates. I think its more of a reflection of the team than JC. Leadership is important. But if you are leading a group into a war they might be pumped up but that still doens't mean they wont get their ass kicked if the other side has a better plan (defensive scheme/offensive game plan) and your team is outsmarted. I think this whole thought is a little cliche'.

[warriorzpath]

Originally Posted by dmvskinzfan08

Leader or not. He can't make the plays for his team mates. I think its more of a reflection of the team than JC. Leadership is important. But if you are leading a group into a war they might be pumped up but that still doens't mean they wont get their ass kicked if the other side has a better plan (defensive scheme/offensive game plan) and your team is outsmarted. I think this whole thought is a little cliche'.

No, it's not cliche - it's the one of the most important things in football.

[dmvskinzfan08]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag359

If we had signed Drew Brees we wouldn't have been in this mess. All we would be talking about now is weather Brees would throw 5 or 10 touchdowns on Sunday. Then again the whole league is thinking the same thing.

Why didn't the Saints have a winning season last year if that is the case? They were good on offense last year. But I think the difference is Gregg Williams. If not they would have been in the playoffs last year.

[dmvskinzfan08]

Originally Posted by warriorzpath

No, it's not cliche - it's the one of th most important things in football.

Try this one.

Defense wins championships.

[warriorzpath]

Originally Posted by dmvskinzfan08

Try this one.

Defense wins championships.

But you have to get to the championship game first and you have to be led there.

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by dmvskinzfan08

Why didn't the Saints have a winning season last year if that is the case? They were good on offens elast year. But I think the difference is Gregg Williams. If not they would have been in the playoffs last year.

Well it's certainly not on Drew Brees.

[dmvskinzfan08]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag359

Well it's certainly not on Drew Brees.

Your making my point.

The point was if we had Brees with our defense he would not yield the same results he is having this year. He was good on offense last year. He was a leader. Do you see how vocal he is before the game with their "300" chant. Getting them pumped up for the game? They still had a losing record. We even beat them last year. Enter Gregg Williams. They are winning now. Undefeated last time I checked.

[dmvskinzfan08]

Originally Posted by warriorzpath

But you have to get to the championship game first and you have to be led there.

Exactly and Defense is needed for that.

Example: NE in the Superbowl against the Giants.

NE had a high powered offense. They set records. But they also had a decent defense. Denver had a high powered offense with Cutler and no defense. Did they make the playoffs.

You need a defense to get you to the championship game. Because no matter how much you score you have to stop the other team from scoring also. The offense cn alwyas have a bad game.

name one team that made it to the Superbowl without a good defense.

The only exception to the rule I will say again is the Warner led Rams. Even Arizona had a decent defense last year.

I'll be waiting..

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by Green1

Every thread someone is calling for campbell to be benched but his numbers are great.
1. Rating: 92.5 Higher than Brady, Big Ben, C. Palmer, Cutler, and Rivers
2. 9th in passing yards: More that Rodgers, Ryan, Palmer, E. Manning, & Cutler
3. 5th in the Comp. Percent. 67.6%: Higher than everyone in the league except P. Manning, Brees, Big Ben, and Chad Penn.

So what else does he have to do to be considered a good QB. The Skins have a good QB, just bad playcalling, no running game, and no O-line. Get off campbell's back. He is doing more with less better than anyone in the NFL. Check the stats the STATS don't lie!

I'm sure the insanity of your post has already been picked apart, but the stats you mention don't really mean much of anything. You're talking fantasy football stats, not real stats. The if you've watched the games, the vast majority of JC's production has come when we are behind late in the game and opposing defenses are playing prevent.

Of the quarteracks you mention with lower QB ratings than Campbell, not a single sane person would take Campbell over any of them. Nothing Campbell has shown me this year changes my opinion of him - he's the best QB on our roster, but he holds on to the ball too long, makes poor decions, can't get it done when it counts, and doesn't have the "it" factor you need in a franchise QB.

I garauntee by the end of the season, you and everyone who has made excuses for Campbell over the past several years will be regretting that we werent able to land Cutler or Sanchez in the offseason. I said it before and I'll restate it now - both of those guys are better than any QBs that will be available in the draft in 2010. I love Orakpo, but he's never going to single-handedly lead this team to the playoffs, which is something Cutler and Sanchez will be doing for their respective teams for years to come.

[warriorzpath]

Originally Posted by dmvskinzfan08

Exactly and Defense is needed for that.

Example: NE in the Superbowl against the Giants.

NE had a high powered offense. They set records. But they also had a decent defense. Denver had a high powered offense with Cutler and no defense. Did they make the playoffs.

You need a defense to get you to the championship game. Because no matter how much you score you have to stop the other team from scoring also. The offense cn alwyas have a bad game.

name one team that made it to the Superbowl without a good defense.

The only exception to the rule I will say again is the Warner led Rams. Even Arizona had a decent defense last year.

I'll be waiting..

Rothleisberger was still the leader of the Steelers and warner of the cardinals. Without the leadership of these 2, I doubt they would have made it that far.

[dmvskinzfan08]

Originally Posted by warriorzpath

Rothleisberger was still the leader of the Steelers and warner of the cardinals. Without the leadership of these 2, I doubt they would have made it that far.

the question I asked was. What team goes to the championship without a good defense?..


im waiting....

[in the meantime]
Let me add to what you said. They could be the greatest leaders in football history. But if Pittsburgh didn't have their D they would be average. The most valuable player on their defense is out. Did they just lose to the Bengals?

I think simplifying it down to leadership is a bit trivial.

If they didn't have Fitzgerald and a good defense do you think they would have made it to the Superbowl. Fitzgerald put on a awesome performance during the playoffs. Their D picked Carolina apart...

Im still wiating on my answer..

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by dmvskinzfan08

Your making my point.

The point was if we had Brees with our defense he would not yield the same results he is having this year. He was good on offense last year. He was a leader. Do you see how vocal he is before the game with their "300" chant. Getting them pumped up for the game? They still had a losing record. We even beat them last year. Enter Gregg Williams. They are winning now. Undefeated last time I checked.

Easy tiger. I was just talking about the Skins missing out on signing Brees a few years ago. Nothing less nothing more.