Joe Gibbs Sending tapes to NFL

[#56fanatic]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Where did you hear that #56?

If all those calls indeed were ruled in our favor, it's pretty disappointing and we definitely got royally screwed over by those horrible calls.

A friend of mine who listens and reads everything there is to read in the sporting world that has to do with the Redskins saw it or read it last night. Not sure which of the two. But kinda puts things in perspective regarding the refs. They need to drop the Chickensh** act and call the plays. This crap of not enough evidence to overturn a call has got to stop. Most of those plays are coming against teams on the road. I guess they dont want a repeat of Cleveland or something. The refs are graded on how many calls are overturned due to replay. and the less that are overturned the better for the refs. When they make the "irrefutable evidense" call its basically saying the call was SO close that they just couldn't reverse it, which like I said at the end of the year is a plus for that ref crew. But in most of those calls, its very obvious the call on the field was wrong and they just dont want to change it, because that makes them look like a bad crew. Replay is just not getting it done this year. I have seen several calls that I thought no way could they uphold that call, then that famous saying, after review, yada yada yada, play stands as called on the field. what a cop out!

[firstdown]

When all is said in done our D gave up one big play after another and Sims played his best game as a QB. I will agree that the calls hurt our chances but if our D plays their game we still win and remember the turnovers in the first half gave them atleast 14 points.

[scowan]

Originally Posted by #56fanatic

A friend of mine who listens and reads everything there is to read in the sporting world that has to do with the Redskins saw it or read it last night. Not sure which of the two. But kinda puts things in perspective regarding the refs. They need to drop the Chickensh** act and call the plays. This crap of not enough evidence to overturn a call has got to stop. Most of those plays are coming against teams on the road. I guess they dont want a repeat of Cleveland or something. The refs are graded on how many calls are overturned due to replay. and the less that are overturned the better for the refs. When they make the "irrefutable evidense" call its basically saying the call was SO close that they just couldn't reverse it, which like I said at the end of the year is a plus for that ref crew. But in most of those calls, its very obvious the call on the field was wrong and they just dont want to change it, because that makes them look like a bad crew. Replay is just not getting it done this year. I have seen several calls that I thought no way could they uphold that call, then that famous saying, after review, yada yada yada, play stands as called on the field. what a cop out!

Instead of getting reviewed on how many calls are overturned or not, how about getting reviewed on how many they got right! What a novel idea.

[#56fanatic]

Originally Posted by firstdown

When all is said in done our D gave up one big play after another and Sims played his best game as a QB. I will agree that the calls hurt our chances but if our D plays their game we still win and remember the turnovers in the first half gave them atleast 14 points.

I do agree our D has to play better. However, as a coach Williams has to put our players in better positions. We can not send 7 or 8 guys at the end of game (one of those being our best corner) after the QB and leaving a rookie, 2nd string safety, and #2 corner on the outside one on one. That is bad playcalling!! Especially since these blitzes have NOT worked all day, and Simms was eating us alive everytime we blitzed him. Williams has to swallow some of that ego and adjust his game plan or defensive calls. This has been a problem for the last few games. No pressure on the blitz, means big plays down field.

[#56fanatic]

Originally Posted by scowan

Instead of getting reviewed on how many calls are overturned or not, how about getting reviewed on how many they got right! What a novel idea.

What I was saying is one of factors, not 100% of determining how to rate them. The refs have a very difficult job in calling these games. Which is why there is replay, to HELP them on iffy calls or ones they just couldn't possibly seen. Which is why, alot of us fans feel, if replay is there they need to stop all the crap of saying no evidence to overturn. They are causing more problems with this than the calls they make on the field.

[MTK]

I don't question GW bringing pressure, that's his MO and always has been. If you can't get to the QB when bringing extra guys you have to tip your hat to the Bucs for picking things up.

GW simply is not a passive coach who is going to sit back in coverage, he's going to come after you even when conventional wisdom says not to.

Personally I'd rather lose by being aggressive than to see a team dink and dunk their way down the field while you're in prevent mode.

[skins052bgr8]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

I don't question GW bringing pressure, that's his MO and always has been. If you can't get to the QB when bringing extra guys you have to tip your hat to the Bucs for picking things up.

GW simply is not a passive coach who is going to sit back in coverage, he's going to come after you even when conventional wisdom says not to.

Personally I'd rather lose by being aggressive than to see a team dink and dunk their way down the field while you're in prevent mode.

I agree be aggressive, the D did give up big plays but like we have said all week it is many factors and saying the D cost us is wrong also. They got at least 14 of a very short field one from the five or so. 16 points by the refs 14 by turnovers and the short field. I guess 6 earned where they drove the field on our D. I would agree send Walt Harris or Carlos Rogers on the Blitz instead of Springs. Send those tapes and hope the league recognizes that these calls are killing the game in some instances. I don't ever rememebr it being that big of an issue except for the past two years this year in particular.

[Gmanc711]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

I don't question GW bringing pressure, that's his MO and always has been. If you can't get to the QB when bringing extra guys you have to tip your hat to the Bucs for picking things up.

GW simply is not a passive coach who is going to sit back in coverage, he's going to come after you even when conventional wisdom says not to.

Personally I'd rather lose by being aggressive than to see a team dink and dunk their way down the field while you're in prevent mode.

I dont really question the aggresivness, but the package I do. We blitzed Springs on that TD play, which I think was a mistake. Springs is our "shutdown" guy. If we were leaving anyone in single coverage, it should have been him, not Walt Harris.

[amorentz]

Originally Posted by scowan

What good does it do to "send in tapes" if you can't take the "L" out of the standings. The results are the same... "I'm sorry" doesn't get you into the playoffs at the end of the year. I appreciate the effort by Gibbs, maybe these Refs will learn and not make the mistake again. I sometimes feel like the "call on the field" is so golden, that the head ref is scared to overturn it. If everyone knows Alstott was not in, but the Ref still did not over turn it, after looking at it from 2 or 3 angles for 1 minute and a half, then later the NFL officals come out and say.... "Well we looked at it for 2-3 more minutes and it looks different now" Geez! We got screwed, just face it!!

It does do some good. The referees are graded based on their performance, and showing the league that they blew calls will make it far less likely that they will be invited to ref playoff contests or the Super Bowl. I'll personally be happy that these guys wont be there to screw us when we're playing in Detroit!!!

Redskins: Clearly Winning the Superbowl.

[MTK]

Springs also had 6 sacks last year, so he's proven to be an effective blitzer.

[funandgunner]

Originally Posted by TheMalcolmConnection

I'm seriously going to go on a rampage if the Skins end up having to be in a tie-breaker with Tampa Bay this year.

You know if the 4 plays are admitted by NFL as being the wrong calls (which resulted in 17 points for Tampa), which they would have to admit cost the redskins the game (even just considering the 2 point conversion) - the nfl could atone for the refs' mistakes and award the redskins the tie-breaker if it comes down to Tampa Bay and the skins.

[56FAN]

Why oh why do you people who say our d lost the game continue to twist it like that. do you not see that they did in fact stop the buc's on the 2 point conv but the refs judged it wrong and when faced with proof theyr efused to change it.if they had the doo dads to call it right we win and we aren't whinning about this at all. it's the injustice that ticks me off. we go to a good teams house, they have the no.1 d in the league and we torch them. our d struggles to stop them, some of it has to do with things that should have been called.but, the fact remains that the refs blew 2 calls at the end of the game that lost it for us, the blocked kick and the stopping of alstott.it's hard to win in this league, and when the refs get into it and make terrible calls or non calls(home town calls)it's almost impossible.c'mon guys i know our d should have played better but the fact is they made the plays when it counted only to have stolen from them by bad officiating.i'm just soo tired of hearing the d lost the game when the issue is the they did rise up and make the play and were screwed.

[#56fanatic]

Originally Posted by 56FAN

Why oh why do you people who say our d lost the game continue to twist it like that. do you not see that they did in fact stop the buc's on the 2 point conv but the refs judged it wrong and when faced with proof theyr efused to change it.if they had the doo dads to call it right we win and we aren't whinning about this at all. it's the injustice that ticks me off. we go to a good teams house, they have the no.1 d in the league and we torch them. our d struggles to stop them, some of it has to do with things that should have been called.but, the fact remains that the refs blew 2 calls at the end of the game that lost it for us, the blocked kick and the stopping of alstott.it's hard to win in this league, and when the refs get into it and make terrible calls or non calls(home town calls)it's almost impossible.c'mon guys i know our d should have played better but the fact is they made the plays when it counted only to have stolen from them by bad officiating.i'm just soo tired of hearing the d lost the game when the issue is the they did rise up and make the play and were screwed.

I think our D has been giving up too many points in the last 3 or 4 games. 36 in two of the last 3. there were obvious factors to giving up these points, turnovers ect. However the fact remains we continue to give up big play after big play going back to the Seattle game. There are reasons for this that GW and his staff have to figure out. Our blitz packages have not been getting pressure on the QB, which has left us open to plays down the field. Either we have to figure out a new way to get pressure, or minimize our risks and blitz when its least anticipated. I do believe GW is a good coach, and Taylor not playing along with Griffin hurt our pressure game. But good teams and good defenses learn to do what thier personal allow. Example is New England when they had WR playing safety, they could not do alot of the thing they were use to doing, but found ways to be creative with the personel on the field. I believe we will figure those things out. We have good run stoppers on the line, but no pass rushers what so ever. We can not continue to think our LBs and CBs are the best option. Teams have started to adjust to our defesive schemes and its showing. Does not matter what happens, when you put up the numbers we did against a team with essentially a rookie QB playing we should not lose, no matter what happens. I said earlier that the refs did account for a "POSSIBLE" point swing of 17 points. It could have been 9 points if we hold them to field goals. We just need to stop the big plays that have been hurting us for 5 or 6 weeks. Once those stop, we will win a whole lot of the games left on our schedule.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by 56FAN

Why oh why do you people who say our d lost the game continue to twist it like that. do you not see that they did in fact stop the buc's on the 2 point conv but the refs judged it wrong and when faced with proof theyr efused to change it.if they had the doo dads to call it right we win and we aren't whinning about this at all. it's the injustice that ticks me off. we go to a good teams house, they have the no.1 d in the league and we torch them. our d struggles to stop them, some of it has to do with things that should have been called.but, the fact remains that the refs blew 2 calls at the end of the game that lost it for us, the blocked kick and the stopping of alstott.it's hard to win in this league, and when the refs get into it and make terrible calls or non calls(home town calls)it's almost impossible.c'mon guys i know our d should have played better but the fact is they made the plays when it counted only to have stolen from them by bad officiating.i'm just soo tired of hearing the d lost the game when the issue is the they did rise up and make the play and were screwed.

While it's true they blocked the kick and stopped the two point conversion, the fact is they did let the Bucs march downfield and score a touchdown. So I don't think it's totally accurate to say they made the plays when it counted. All parties are to blame for the loss, including the defense

[railcon56]

Originally Posted by TAFKAS

While it's true they blocked the kick and stopped the two point conversion, the fact is they did let the Bucs march downfield and score a touchdown. So I don't think it's totally accurate to say they made the plays when it counted. All parties are to blame for the loss, including the defense

i agree..all parties...