Better coach

12thMan · 10-10-2005, 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by sniks

Head coach and defensive coordinater are 2 different animals.If he becomes head coach he will need to hire a Joe Gibbs like mind to run his offense.But thats getting ahead of ourselves.Joe Gibbs was, is,and will forever be the man in D.C.

True....even as the head coach at Buffalo he didn't do a terrible job.

I for one think that GW is benefiting from working with an offensive genious like Gibbs.

12thMan · 10-10-2005, 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by sniks

How many posts before I'm not a scrub?

Don't worry man, you sound pretty smart for a scrub

sniks · 10-10-2005, 09:29 PM

Don't worry man, you sound pretty smart for a scrub

Thanks!! Maybe someday I'll be HEAD COACH of the WARPATH!!!!!!!!!!

MTK · 10-10-2005, 09:45 PM

There's no comparison here.

GoSkins! · 10-10-2005, 09:51 PM

I remember a game in Gibbs first tenure when the skins were getting thier asses kicked in the first half. They said at halftime Gibbs was kicking chairs and screaming about heart and character. When he came back to the sidelines, he looked cool as a cucumber.

Don't be fooled.

P.S. The skins won that game.

Daseal · 10-10-2005, 09:53 PM

First of all, it's not like Gibbs went and convinced Portis to come play for us. We said here's a pro bowl cornerback and a 2nd round pick -- gimmie.

Also -- While Gibbs' offense looks great and completely revamped this year, I still think he has a little ways to go till he's an offensive genius. We're moving the ball just great, but as a genius he needs to find a way to put up points. We're just not coming away with quite enough, in my opinion.

Greg Williams is an amazing defensive mind, he mixes and matches and coaches his defense like I coach my madden team. Cornerbacks playing defensive end (my Madden team, not Williams!) and he really fires me up watching him on TV without a doubt. If Gibbs didn't have the history he has, I'd agree completely that GW was the better coach. However, thanks to his history Gibbs demands respect from the players, fans, and media. That respect has translated into a revitalized orginization.

The real question is how long will Gibbs stay here. He made no bones about the fact that the only reason he came back was for Coy, his son, to learn how to coach. Coy wanted to coach, he told him how awful it is and how much work and stress it puts on you, yet that's what Coy wanted to do. If Coy decides he doesn't want to be a coach and decides to leave, what happens to Joe? If Coy takes over a more important position than "quality control" and fails miserably -- what happens? I think as Coy goes as does Gibbs.

Now, don't get me wrong. I think he loves coaching and he loves the Washington Redskins, but I also think he's getting older and older and coaching is a lot of work and stress, especially if you aren't winning (which looks to be changing!). So Gibbs leaving early wouldn't suprise me at all.

Both coaches are great but in different ways. Leave it at that.

GoSkins! · 10-10-2005, 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Daseal

Both coaches are great but in different ways. Leave it at that.

Smartest thing I've read in this thread.

MTK · 10-10-2005, 10:04 PM

Coy might have been part of the spark that got Gibbs interested in coming back, but I really don't believe Gibbs comes back unless his heart is in to this thing 110%. Gibbs came back because of his love for the franchise, the fans and the city. He came back for the challenge of doing it all over again.

sniks · 10-10-2005, 10:06 PM

Gregg Williams hasn't won anything as a head coach.Don't believe he even made the playoffs.He couldn't even hold Joe Gibbs jock strap when it comes to head coaching.

SkinsFan3000 · 10-10-2005, 11:29 PM

joe gibbs is a proven winner. go skins!

saskin · 10-10-2005, 11:51 PM

I think Gibbs came back to get the program straightened out before leaving it again. I hope he goes the full contract but I wouldn't be surprised to see him leave at the end of this year or next.

monk81 · 10-10-2005, 11:53 PM

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Originally Posted by 12thMan

Which leads me to my second point. Gibbs may sound one way in public and totally rip his team behind closed doors. He's a very private and prideful man. I don't think he would allow the media to see a side of him that only players and coaches know him for.

You are correct about saying one thing in public and ripping the team behind closed doors. I remember Dexter Manley relaying a story, when the team was losing at half time and Gibbs was so angry he dumped over gatorade and broke his hand on a blackboard because he was so angry.....and he must've put fear into the team because the Redskins came back and won the game...so yep, he shows a different side in the locker room.

Sheriff Gonna Getcha · 10-11-2005, 12:25 AM

Williams is a great defensive coach, but he has yet to prove himself to be a great head coach. Gibbs has proven that he is an excellent coordinator and head coach. Williams might be a great head coach in the future, but Gibbs already is one.

skinsguy · 10-11-2005, 12:33 AM

There's no comparison. Gregg Williams is a mastermind defensively, but he had a rough go as head coach with Buffalo, so to even entertain the thought that Williams would be a better head coach than Joe Gibbs....I just want to see proof! So far, there is none. Maybe down the road possibly....and if it is with the Redskins...then hopefully. However, I would challenge anybody to go back and watch today's press conference. If you don't think Gibbs is intense, you're just not paying attention.

Joe Gibbs is slowly proving himself once more and proving all his critics wrong.....we've already had several fans having to eat crow, and it's just a matter of time until the media and the rest of the league join in with a big heaping of it as well.

dblanch66 · 10-11-2005, 04:25 AM

"So Gibbs leaving early wouldn't suprise me at all"

No insult intended, Daseal but this just shows that you're not old enough to really remember Joe's first tenure and the kind of guy he is. It would surprise me GREATLY to see Gibbs leave before his contract expires. He has so much integrity, heart and fire that he won't go until he brings the trophy back to DC. PUT IT IN THE BANK!!!!

10-10-2005, 09:29 PM	#18
sniks Camp Scrub Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: CT. Age: 64 Posts: 97	Re: Better coach Don't worry man, you sound pretty smart for a scrub Thanks!! Maybe someday I'll be HEAD COACH of the WARPATH!!!!!!!!!!

10-10-2005, 09:45 PM	#19
MTK \m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: NY Age: 52 Posts: 99,462	Re: Better coach There's no comparison here. __________________ Support The Warpath! \| Warpath Shop

10-10-2005, 09:51 PM	#20
GoSkins! The Starter Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Yorktown, Va Age: 55 Posts: 1,587	Re: Better coach I remember a game in Gibbs first tenure when the skins were getting thier asses kicked in the first half. They said at halftime Gibbs was kicking chairs and screaming about heart and character. When he came back to the sidelines, he looked cool as a cucumber. Don't be fooled. P.S. The skins won that game. __________________ Not everything that counts can be counted, and not everything that can be counted counts. A. Einstien

10-10-2005, 09:53 PM	#21
Daseal Puppy Kicker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arlington, Virginia Age: 41 Posts: 8,341	Re: Better coach First of all, it's not like Gibbs went and convinced Portis to come play for us. We said here's a pro bowl cornerback and a 2nd round pick -- gimmie. Also -- While Gibbs' offense looks great and completely revamped this year, I still think he has a little ways to go till he's an offensive genius. We're moving the ball just great, but as a genius he needs to find a way to put up points. We're just not coming away with quite enough, in my opinion. Greg Williams is an amazing defensive mind, he mixes and matches and coaches his defense like I coach my madden team. Cornerbacks playing defensive end (my Madden team, not Williams!) and he really fires me up watching him on TV without a doubt. If Gibbs didn't have the history he has, I'd agree completely that GW was the better coach. However, thanks to his history Gibbs demands respect from the players, fans, and media. That respect has translated into a revitalized orginization. The real question is how long will Gibbs stay here. He made no bones about the fact that the only reason he came back was for Coy, his son, to learn how to coach. Coy wanted to coach, he told him how awful it is and how much work and stress it puts on you, yet that's what Coy wanted to do. If Coy decides he doesn't want to be a coach and decides to leave, what happens to Joe? If Coy takes over a more important position than "quality control" and fails miserably -- what happens? I think as Coy goes as does Gibbs. Now, don't get me wrong. I think he loves coaching and he loves the Washington Redskins, but I also think he's getting older and older and coaching is a lot of work and stress, especially if you aren't winning (which looks to be changing!). So Gibbs leaving early wouldn't suprise me at all. Both coaches are great but in different ways. Leave it at that. __________________ Best. Player. Available.

10-10-2005, 10:04 PM	#23
MTK \m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: NY Age: 52 Posts: 99,462	Re: Better coach Coy might have been part of the spark that got Gibbs interested in coming back, but I really don't believe Gibbs comes back unless his heart is in to this thing 110%. Gibbs came back because of his love for the franchise, the fans and the city. He came back for the challenge of doing it all over again. __________________ Support The Warpath! \| Warpath Shop

10-10-2005, 10:06 PM	#24
sniks Camp Scrub Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: CT. Age: 64 Posts: 97	Re: Better coach Gregg Williams hasn't won anything as a head coach.Don't believe he even made the playoffs.He couldn't even hold Joe Gibbs jock strap when it comes to head coaching.

10-10-2005, 11:29 PM	#25
SkinsFan3000 Camp Scrub Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 41	Re: Better coach joe gibbs is a proven winner. go skins!

10-10-2005, 11:51 PM	#26
saskin Special Teams Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: San Antonio Age: 36 Posts: 355	Re: Better coach I think Gibbs came back to get the program straightened out before leaving it again. I hope he goes the full contract but I wouldn't be surprised to see him leave at the end of this year or next.

10-11-2005, 12:25 AM	#28
Sheriff Gonna Getcha Franchise Player Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 45 Posts: 8,317	Re: Better coach Williams is a great defensive coach, but he has yet to prove himself to be a great head coach. Gibbs has proven that he is an excellent coordinator and head coach. Williams might be a great head coach in the future, but Gibbs already is one.

10-11-2005, 12:33 AM	#29
skinsguy Pro Bowl Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Greensboro, North Carolina Posts: 6,766	Re: Better coach There's no comparison. Gregg Williams is a mastermind defensively, but he had a rough go as head coach with Buffalo, so to even entertain the thought that Williams would be a better head coach than Joe Gibbs....I just want to see proof! So far, there is none. Maybe down the road possibly....and if it is with the Redskins...then hopefully. However, I would challenge anybody to go back and watch today's press conference. If you don't think Gibbs is intense, you're just not paying attention. Joe Gibbs is slowly proving himself once more and proving all his critics wrong.....we've already had several fans having to eat crow, and it's just a matter of time until the media and the rest of the league join in with a big heaping of it as well. __________________ "Fire Up That Diesel!"

10-11-2005, 04:25 AM	#30
dblanch66 The Starter Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Phoenix, AZ Age: 58 Posts: 1,176	Re: Better coach "So Gibbs leaving early wouldn't suprise me at all" No insult intended, Daseal but this just shows that you're not old enough to really remember Joe's first tenure and the kind of guy he is. It would surprise me GREATLY to see Gibbs leave before his contract expires. He has so much integrity, heart and fire that he won't go until he brings the trophy back to DC. PUT IT IN THE BANK!!!!

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