Jets In The Market For Qb! (MEGA MERGE)

[Gmanc711]

Originally Posted by TAFKAS

when is the trade deadline anyway?

I think week 6.

[Hog1]

Originally Posted by offiss

I just think that Ramsey should get a real opportunity somewhere else, he owe's us nothing, Gibbs has no confidence in him, he's treated him like a redheaded stepchild from day 1, so why would he have any interest in keeping him? Even if Brunell goes down Gibbs has made it clear he can't win with Ramsey, so why even bother? Might as well look to the future with Campbell, that is why we gave up next years draft isn't it? Orton is starting, Manning started last season, I don't see why Campbell wouldn't be in there if Brunell goes down, this is the new NFL, rookies who's teams invest heavily in start their first year, Campbell should be no exception!

I would like to see Ramsey get an oppurtunity elsewhere, as well. He has a lot of heart. Tough guy! However, the only thing Gibbs did TO him is give him the same oppurtunity he gave the other QB's on staff. If Gibbs, picking up Brunell, or drafting Campbell rained on PR's parade, or traumatized him so he could not adequately perform. That does make him appear rather fragile for this line of work. If that is true, he did not stand a chance in the every day game stress in the NFL not to mention crunch games. In light of recent events, obviously Gibb's made the right moves, and I applaud him for it!
I listened to an interview with yesterday with Doug Wililams. To paraphrase, "Joe Gibbs ALWAYS made decisions based on the best move for the Redskins organization". "Never anything personal". "I did not agree with him benching me, as I thought I was the best QB". "All players think the same thing". but even then, he did what was best for the organization".
I for one have been SERIOUSLY enjoying the feeling of KICKING the BOYS ASS (after an eternal drought)! Thankyou JOE for that feeling

[Big C]

theres no question we shoudl accept a 1st rounder if we got an offer for one. hell i think we'd be lucky to get a 3rd round pick

[illdefined]

er Hog1, i think most agree keeping Brunell in so long last year wasn't the best thing for the team. i'm sure it was meant to be, but it showed Gibbs gave 'his' QB around a thousand more chances than he ever gave Ramsey.

[Hog1]

Er ill..., do you fault him as well, for learning from his mistakes?

[Beemnseven]

If the Jets offer a second round pick for Ramsey, Dan Snyder should personally bicycle Patrick up to the Meadowlands and hand him over with a green and white bow strapped around him.

Who says we have to go with Jason Campbell if Brunell gets hurt? There's got to be some washed up veteran out there who can cram Gibbs' playbook in a pinch.

Where's Kent Graham these days?

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by offiss

I just think that Ramsey should get a real opportunity somewhere else, he owe's us nothing, Gibbs has no confidence in him, he's treated him like a redheaded stepchild from day 1, so why would he have any interest in keeping him? Even if Brunell goes down Gibbs has made it clear he can't win with Ramsey, so why even bother? Might as well look to the future with Campbell, that is why we gave up next years draft isn't it? Orton is starting, Manning started last season, I don't see why Campbell wouldn't be in there if Brunell goes down, this is the new NFL, rookies who's teams invest heavily in start their first year, Campbell should be no exception!

I agree 100%, offiss. This may be our window of opportunity to get the most value for PR. One thing is for sure, Pennington may not be 100% for the rest of the year. Jason Campbell should have enough of the playbook down to feel comfortable if he's needed at this point.

I don't think the Jets can't wait until week six to start wheeling and dealing for a QB for a couple of reasons: By the time any new QB get's acclimated to their system, it may be around week 9 or 10. Which leads to the second reason, their playoff hopes may be out of the window at that point. If they are going to make a move and stay in the hunt, Baltimore too I might add, they should do something before week four in my opinion.

We'll see how all this shakes out!

[offiss]

Originally Posted by Hog1

Er ill..., do you fault him as well, for learning from his mistakes?

Brunell is now starting for us, how do you figure he learned from his mistake?

To bad Gibbs didn't give Ramsey some real playing time to see if he learns from his mistakes, we all know WR's running the wrong routes is a Ramsey mistake not Gibbs, right!

However, the only thing Gibbs did TO him is give him the same oppurtunity he gave the other QB's on staff.

I have to ask what team have you been watching, Ill has already pointed out that Gibbs stayed with Brunell 9 games last season, which was probably 5 games to long, Ramsey? 19 minutes, I hope the 9 didn't confuse you, the 9 represents minutes not games.

Funny how Ramsey won the job last season over Brunell in regular season competition, only to lose it in 19 minutes this season of regular season competition, as most scouts and coaches will tell you, pre-season doesn't mean jack when it comes to evaluation of teams and players, there are to many varibles that can lead to a players success, or failure, in a pre-season game.

[diehardskin2982]

this would be the most oprotune time to trade ramsey. he value will not get any better at the end of the season not starting, and a first rnd would be nice to have.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by illdefined

er Hog1, i think most agree keeping Brunell in so long last year wasn't the best thing for the team. i'm sure it was meant to be, but it showed Gibbs gave 'his' QB around a thousand more chances than he ever gave Ramsey.

i think that keeping Brunell in for nine games was inpart do to the poor play of Ramsey in last years preason. How could he have felt bringing in Ramsey would help when he played worse than Brunell in preseason. Ramsey had several chances, last preseason, the game against the Giants with 3 ints, last seven games with another 8 int, this preseason with 4int to 2tds, first game 1int 2fumbles. I just did not see Ramsey take advantage of any opportunities. Brunell is not much better but I have the feeling Ramsey would not have pull out the victory in Dallas. I hope Ramsey can find a team and has great success in the NFL and its time for the skins to move forward.

[illdefined]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

Who says we have to go with Jason Campbell if Brunell gets hurt? There's got to be some washed up veteran out there who can cram Gibbs' playbook in a pinch.

a washed up vet to back up the first one? jk

:smashfrea

[Kevikazi]

Originally Posted by uhohjimoh

well considering we have almost NO draft picks next year, and its allready been stated, if brunell goes down for any period of time they will "imediately" make the transition to jason cambell...why not? i lvoe patrick, but lets try to get all hes worth outta him

Whoa...when and who made this statement that Campbell will start if Brunell goes down?

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Originally Posted by portisdash57

Wonder how LC would feel if Ramsey went to the Jets.

Laveranues was supposedly a big fan of Ramsey. However, I don't see this thing working out. The Jets are not going to shell out a high draft pick for someone when they have so much invested in Chad Pennington. Plus, the Redskins are reluctant to trade Ramsey.

[illdefined]

Originally Posted by Hog1

Er ill..., do you fault him as well, for learning from his mistakes?

again, which mistake is that? that's the whole point of the huge controversy here in Redskins land, whether or not Gibbs learned enough from last year. Brunell is right back in there and the offense looks awfully familiar. and i stress the word awfully.

no one can disagree that as bad as Ramsey may have sucked, Brunell sucked worse. Ramsey looked further out and made some real TDs along with those INTs with the same sub-par receivers. many of us wanted to see what Ramsey could have done with Moss in the regular season, but whatever reason Gibbs doesn't have *a fraction* of the patience for him that he has for Brunell. sucks for Ramsey and us fans sick of the ol' dink/dunk offense, but we can't do anything about it and want to see what comes next. if Ramsey can get us a draft choice back for any of the last overzealous trades we did, i won't cry too hard (well depends on the draft choice).

look i'm praying night and day that Gibbs spent the bye week focusing on the one thing that IS different from last year: Santana Moss. i'm crossing my bloody fingers that he really changes the gameplan to make those occasional long passes less of a token (or emergency plan) and more of a key part of the offense. if he doesn't, and we look just like 2004 again, then yeah, i'll wonder what Gibbs learned last year. wouldn't you?

[Kevikazi]

I would take a 3rd round draft pick and a CB. Or a straight up trade for John Abraham or Shaun Ellis. I don't see a later part happening though.