Where are the apologies?

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Redskins88

There's no way of telling what Ramsey would've done. Brunell did what he did, and he won, lets leave it at that.

I agree....besides we all know that had it been Jason Campbell, he would have direct snapped to himself, moonwalked 70 yards untouched into the endzone, then kicked the extra point off the wrong foot. :thumb:

[offiss]

Originally Posted by railcon56@comcast.net

I Remember A Monday Night game When Ramsey Ran Around the Left End For About 30 yards to win that game for US..... How quickly we forget.... what was that game? Plus Patrick would have never had us in that desperate situation...and Portis would have run for 150 yards cause the defense would have had to play back... 1 half is not a fair chance... but brunell will go down and soon he's very fragile and we all know how tought Ramsey is ...so he will get his chance... Plus Ramsey wouldn't have slid short of the 1st down like brunell did ..he would have ran somebody over...

I like it!

I was going to raise that very game myself but as you can see it's kind of a moot point by now, but the game you are refering to was the opener against the Jets under Spurrier, Ramsey had a big 3rd down conversion run to the left and was pulling away from LB Sam Coward, and at the time many of us were saying although he's not a scrambler persay he does have enough speed to be adequete when the situation presents itself, he's not Brunell in his prime, but he can make a play with his legs, but because he would rather sit in the pocket and make a play throwing, rather than taking off at the first hint of pressure, he get's labled as an immobile QB, he will never be vick, but he has enough to be effecient.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by railcon56@comcast.net

Plus Patrick would have never had us in that desperate situation...and Portis would have run for 150 yards cause the defense would have had to play back.

Or it could have been like the last time we played Dallas and we barely clung to a lead until the final seconds while Ramsey had about 160 yards passing, 1 TD, 2 INTS and Portis had 10 carries for 32 yards. You just never know

[illdefined]

we should do a poll on whether we can refer to last year or not


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[skinsguy]

Yep SC, I hear ya bro'! Maybe some did a little sneaky sneaky onto the ol' bandwagon while we weren't looking, LOL!!!

[joecrisp]

Originally Posted by sportscurmudgeon

Joe Gibbs made a QB decision and it was the CORRECT one..

In terms of last night's game? Probably.

In terms of the season? I'm not sold quite yet.

For 56 minutes of that game, I was pretty sure Gibbs had made the wrong decision, and I'm almost certain even the most ardent Brunell supporters began to have their doubts, as well-- whether they'll admit it or not.

I'm not entirely sure that we've seen the last of Ramsey in a Skins uniform, either. If Brunell reverts to 2004 form and the Skins start losing, OR if Brunell goes down for any period of time, do you really believe that Gibbs will put the fate of this team in the hands of a rookie, when he has an experienced, former starter on the bench?

NO. Explicit enough for you?

Perhaps we should let this season unfold just a bit further before we start thumping our chests and belittling those with the "audacity" to question a man whose offense-- outside of two single plays in about 2 minutes of one game-- has looked just south of ineffective.





**This in no way means that I'm rooting for Brunell to fail. I want the Redskins to win, and if Brunell is the starter, then he damn well better perform like one. Same goes equally for Ramsey or Campbell. That also means Gibbs has to call more shots like he did in the last 4 minutes of Monday's win.

As that game will tell you-- as if it isn't obvious-- it takes good playcalling AND good execution to win a football game. The Skins are lucky it only took about four minutes worth to beat the Cowboys.

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Originally Posted by joecrisp

**This in no way means that I'm rooting for Brunell to fail. I want the Redskins to win, and if Brunell is the starter, then he damn well better perform like one. Same goes equally for Ramsey or Campbell. That also means Gibbs has to call more shots like he did in the last 4 minutes of Monday's win.

As that game will tell you-- as if it isn't obvious-- it takes good playcalling AND good execution to win a football game. The Skins are lucky it only took about four minutes worth to beat the Cowboys.

Isn't it interesting how those of us who believe that Ramsey is our team's best bet need to constantly remind people that we are Redskins fans? People act as though we are Ramsey fans simply because we love who Ramsey is and not what he can do for our team.

[illdefined]

apologies? are you kidding? the offense was EXACTLY what i expected, to the letter. lifeless and inadequate. i was planning on holding back for longer, for the sake of an awesome win, but people insist.

those passes were an act of complete desperation that were NOT in Joe Gibbs' gameplan. there i said it, try and tell me different.

if not for Santana's until then completely overlooked and untapped talent, we would be right back in 2004. thank god the team didn't get discouraged.

Ramsey had been throwing to Santana and Cooley all off-season, and yes at the risk of more INTs, we would have seen more than ZERO points halfway into the fourth quarter.

[Art_Monk_HOF]

What I don't understand about the Ramsey apologists is this: How can they say this decision was made quickly? Ramsey has never shown anything. He is entering his 4th year, and he has shown no signs of improvement. He wasn't good for Gibbs last year. He stunk up the joint in preseason, and he was outplayed by Brunell then. Ramsey did nothing to earn the job.

I'm not saying that Brunell is 'the answer' at this point. But, Patrick has done nothing to show that he deserves to be a starting QB in this league.

[DirtBagZ]

Whoa...did we not win the game last night! Maybe I am feeling differently about the whole QB controversy thing as an admited "Ramsey Apologist." Because I watched it all with my two eyes last night and we won I am not going to engage in anymore Burgundy and Gold bashing, the guys who wear that uniform are OUR guys.

Brunell brought the team back from what seemed an insurmountable lead at DALLAS! So let us enjoy it and stop with Brunell/Ramsey/Campbell debate. Do I have to scream it, "WE BEAT DALLAS!" It is time to rally around whoever is wearing the Burgundy and Gold.

As for Ramsey, lets root for him, maybe he'll get his confidence back since the pressure is off, if he gets called in to play we all need to be rooting for him and hoping that he is ready. Maybe a coach will pull him aside and show him some film of Trent Dilfer moving around in the pocket and rolling out against Green Bay. Last I thought Dilfer would never be confused for a mobile QB in the Steve Young mold, but he looked pretty good in the Packer game. So who is to say that Ramsey could not learn some new things, especially if he were to be coached, granted he is not the focus now, but who knows?

[illdefined]

Originally Posted by DirtBagZ

Whoa...did we not win the game last night! Maybe I am feeling differently about the whole QB controversy thing as an admited "Ramsey Apologist." Because I watched it all with my two eyes last night and we won I am not going to engage in anymore Burgundy and Gold bashing, the guys who wear that uniform are OUR guys.

yeah man, we did win, and i want to enjoy this historic win for at least a week before we get nasty amongst each other again. it's too soon for any I Told You So's but if someone wants to insist that the problems that were so apparent in 2004 weren't just as apparent last night, then with reluctance i'll throw out I Told You So's.

[steveo395]

i did apologize once in the game thread, but i'm definitely not sold on brunell yet.

4 minutes of good playing is not even close to enough

[joecrisp]

Originally Posted by Art_Monk_HOF

What I don't understand about the Ramsey apologists is this: How can they say this decision was made quickly? Ramsey has never shown anything. He is entering his 4th year, and he has shown no signs of improvement. He wasn't good for Gibbs last year. He stunk up the joint in preseason, and he was outplayed by Brunell then. Ramsey did nothing to earn the job.

I'm not saying that Brunell is 'the answer' at this point. But, Patrick has done nothing to show that he deserves to be a starting QB in this league.

Seems to me that Gibbs felt Ramsey was good enough last year to earn the starting job. He did, after all, name him the starter after seeing him improve over the course of the last few games (some of which were actually victories, believe it or not) last season.

Hmmm... are you questioning Gibbs's judgement? Seems awfully "un-Redskins Fan-like" of you. Maybe you should apologize to all of us for questioning what Gibbs ever saw in Ramsey to make him bench Mark Brunell and-- gasp!-- name Ramsey the 2005 starter. [/sarcasm]

Sorry. That statement was made in light of how ridiculous this "Holy Crusade of the Brunell Backers" has become.

Simply because people disagree with Gibbs's decision to start Brunell doesn't mean they're not Redskins fans. It doesn't mean they're Gibbs-haters or even Brunell-haters. It doesn't make them "Ramsey apologists," either. It simply means they have a different perspective on what's best for this team-- this team that they love and live and die for every bit as much as anyone else on this board.

There are those of us who prefer Brunell's cautious, conservative approach to "game management", and there are those of us who prefer Ramsey's youthful (if unrefined and sometimes ill-advised) aggressiveness. Both players-- because of their respective and numerous flaws-- have lost more games than they've won for this team, and neither have proven they're 'the answer'.

With the disparity in age of the two quarterbacks in this debate, perhaps the better question is, if Gibbs's decision wasn't made quickly, would it have been made at all?

Perhaps we'll never know.

[DirtBagZ]

All right time to repeat myself, I am going to be a hypocrite, for before I was a Brunell & Gibbs basher, and an admited, "Ramsey Apologist" but having seen the Miracle in Big-D, I see error of my ways. The guys who wear the burgundy and gold jersey are OUR guys. So let us stop the bashing of the burgundy and gold and of each other, as someone pointed out we are begining to sound like Eagles fans.

We need to be there for the burgundy and gold. For Ramsey we need to root for him, that learns everything he can from this coaching staff so that if his number is called as the back-up he is ready. We need to hope that someone from the coaching staff was watching film of the Clevland - Greenbay game and noted how Trent Dilfer was moving around and rolling out of the pocket. Trent is not exactly the second coming of Steve Young and suggest that Ramsey work on such things when he is not running the scout team. That my fellow burgundy and gold brothers is what we need to do.


-D

[illdefined]

Originally Posted by DirtBagZ

All right time to repeat myself, I am going to be a hypocrite, for before I was a Brunell & Gibbs basher, and an admited, "Ramsey Apologist" but having seen the Miracle in Big-D, I see error of my ways.

you shouldn't feel the need to apologize for your views 'Bagz, especially when the stats backed you up in every category. Monday night was great, but it didn't change the facts as Offiss so clearly pointed out. that said, we should rally behind whoever is leading our offense, there's enough uncertainty there already.