Where are the apologies?

[Gmanc711]

Originally Posted by Daseal

I'm sorry SC -- I can't excuse 3 1/4 of just horrible QBing with 3/4 of one. I feel Ramsey would have done better throughout the game and given us a win that wouldn't have stopped my heart three times! Brunell still doesnt have me sold till he can perform anywhere near the level of the 4th quarter more than once. We have 3 unproven QBs as far as Im concerned.

Agreed. I'll defintely give Gibbs more props as a coach though, as far as how hard the guys play for him. If that were any other coach we've had in Washingotn, we would have packed it in, for sure. I still think our playcalling was a little suspect, but it is what it is. I'm not annoynting Brunell as anything other than another unproven guy at this point.

[Joe Knows...]

We won the game. We Beat the Cowboys in Dallas for the first time in 10 years and on the night they inducted they're big 3 into their hall of fame. Can we all just remember that and enjoy it?

I'm tired of all the negativity.

[offiss]

Originally Posted by illdefined

apologies? are you kidding? the offense was EXACTLY what i expected, to the letter. lifeless and inadequate. I was planning on holding back for longer, for the sake of an awesome win, but people insist.

those passes were an act of complete desperation that were NOT in Joe Gibbs' gameplan. there i said it, try and tell me different.

if not for Santana's until then completely overlooked and untapped talent, we would be right back in 2004. thank god the team didn't get discouraged.

Ramsey had been throwing to Santana and Cooley all off-season, and yes at the risk of more INTs, we would have seen more than ZERO points halfway into the fourth quarter.

Way to nail ill!!!!!!!!!!!

This garbage that all of sudden Brunell is a big time QB again is just that garbage, in almost 2 games he's had exactly 4 minutes of good QB play, in fact you can probably encorperate last season and find that after last years
Dallas game he's had exactly 4 minutes of good QB play period.


Why did he have to bail himself out with 2 hail mary passes? I will tell you why he stunk for 56 minutes of the game, and if it weren't for Dallas's absolute disbelief in Brunells ability to throw a deep ball we would have been shut out, Brunell was exactly 4 minutes from being shut out and another press confrence of Gibbs telling us how he fought his gut's out too a tune of zero points, I to refrained from the reality of the situation to allow the enjoyment of a victory, but, IF YOU INSIST.

I seriously doubt we are being shut out if Ramsey is starting, I also don't like the super bowl celebration after words IT WAS THE SECOND GAME OF THE YEAR, against a team we are more talented than, have we sunk so low that we now have Gibbs saying that this game was the biggest of his life? PALEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEASE!

[illdefined]

Originally Posted by Joe Knows...

We won the game. We Beat the Cowboys in Dallas for the first time in 10 years and on the night they inducted they're big 3 into their hall of fame. Can we all just remember that and enjoy it?

I'm tired of all the negativity.

AGREED. the Skins get a well deserved bye after a truly historic win *in spite* of their limitations. let's at least get a week of peace savoring in that before we start poking at what those (quite obvious) limitations are. we have next week for that.

[offiss]

Originally Posted by illdefined

AGREED. the Skins get a well deserved bye after a truly historic win *in spite* of their limitations. let's at least get a week of peace savoring in that before we start poking at what those (quite obvious) limitations are. we have next week for that.

Agreed!

[celts32]

Originally Posted by Daseal

I'm sorry SC -- I can't excuse 3 1/4 of just horrible QBing with 3/4 of one. I feel Ramsey would have done better throughout the game and given us a win that wouldn't have stopped my heart three times! Brunell still doesnt have me sold till he can perform anywhere near the level of the 4th quarter more than once. We have 3 unproven QBs as far as Im concerned.

There is no evidence to suggest Ramsey would have moved the team last night. personally, I think he would have crumbled under the Cowboys blitz. Who knows how Brunell will play as the season progresses, but no matter how bad it seems Brunell is playing he never panics or loses confidence. That attitude helped him hang in there and make the plays at the end. I don't see anyway Ramsey would have made those throws at the end to win that game.

The cowboys were getting to the QB last night and Ramsey holds the ball to long as we know...that would have been a combination for disaster IMO.

[Cooley 350Z]

I am a fan of the washington redskins. Part of being a fan is that I don't always have to agree with every other fan of the team. If everyone came to this message board voicing the same opinions, we would have 500 threads of nothing but "i agree"'s. I am proud of my team & the way they played to beat the cowboys, that said, I still can't completely forget my reservations about Brunell. If he continues to play as he played in the last 3 minutes of the game, then maybe I will be, but even if it goes so far as for God himself to descend from the heavens & annoint the left arm of Mark Brunell, I absolutely will not come to this message board & apologize for my opinion...nor would I expect one from anyone else were our roles reversed. Enough splitting of the fans. Let's get past this & focus on the task at hand, the Seattle Seahawks @ Fedex. Hail.

[SUNRA]

What is quite obvious is that winning is not the ultimate goal for many of you who call yourselves fans of the Redskins. What matters to you is that your point of view is right and correct. When it is not correct, a diatribe of excuses and comments about what Brunell is or isn't becomes your main argument. I don't care if it was 1 second left on the clock to decide the outcome, so as long as we won. Some of you are so arrogant and negative with your views of Gibbs and Brunell, that you should consider reading some of the threads by fans of opposing teams and see if you don't sound like them in your attacks against the QB that you feel is washed up.

[dblanch66]

Originally Posted by illdefined

apologies? are you kidding? the offense was EXACTLY what i expected, to the letter. lifeless and inadequate. i was planning on holding back for longer, for the sake of an awesome win, but people insist.

those passes were an act of complete desperation that were NOT in Joe Gibbs' gameplan. there i said it, try and tell me different.

if not for Santana's until then completely overlooked and untapped talent, we would be right back in 2004. thank god the team didn't get discouraged.

Ramsey had been throwing to Santana and Cooley all off-season, and yes at the risk of more INTs, we would have seen more than ZERO points halfway into the fourth quarter.

How do you know?

[BigSKINBauer]

First of all We all here are redskins fans, all of us doesn't matter what our opinions are because all of our opinions are in hopes that the team never ever loses a game and is just silly to question someone's liking of this team

I am still not sold on brunell but i think if ramsey had played all of the two games we would be 0-2 right now. I don't think ramsey could have done any better than Brunell at Dallas and we would have thrown atleast 2 INTs with ramsey. I just think that to win more games we need brunell in there, i don't think brunell is a good QB, just that he would win more than ramsey in our style of offense- the no mistake kind-

[illdefined]

Originally Posted by celts32

There is no evidence to suggest Ramsey would have moved the team last night. personally, I think he would have crumbled under the Cowboys blitz. Who knows how Brunell will play as the season progresses, but no matter how bad it seems Brunell is playing he never panics or loses confidence. That attitude helped him hang in there and make the plays at the end. I don't see anyway Ramsey would have made those throws at the end to win that game.

The cowboys were getting to the QB last night and Ramsey holds the ball to long as we know...that would have been a combination for disaster IMO.

last season was clear and relevant evidence on how both Brunell and Ramsey play. much more so than any practice or preseason game, i think last night proved that. the only difference between this season and last seeason is a better line and Moss + Patten. you're right we DON'T really know how Ramsey would play with them. we only know he played better than Brunell with a WORSE offense.

[SmootSmack]

I understand that Ramsey played just 19 minutes of the regular season this year. However, he did play and he played during the preseason. From the last snap he took in the Vikings game last year until the last snap he took in the Bears game this year, did he get any better. Did he improve on things like not telegraphing his passes and not forcing plays that weren't there?

Personally, I didn't see any improvement and that, I think, is the problem most of us have with Ramsey. I want to see him do well, he is a Redskin after all, but I just don't see any progress in him. And I don't know what the answer is, throw him to the wolves, sit him on the bench, trade him. Anointing him the starter didn't work apparently.

On another note, how about that QB Class of 2002! Three QBs in the first round-Carr, Harrington, and Ramsey and all are seriously struggling.

[illdefined]

Originally Posted by dblanch66

How do you know?

How do you know he wouldn't? if you say practice or preseason tell me if Brunell played like he did in preseason last night. *regular season* will always be the real indicator.

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Originally Posted by SUNRA

What is quite obvious is that winning is not the ultimate goal for many of you who call yourselves fans of the Redskins. What matters to you is that your point of view is right and correct. When it is not correct, a diatribe of excuses and comments about what Brunell is or isn't becomes your main argument. I don't care if it was 1 second left on the clock to decide the outcome, so as long as we won. Some of you are so arrogant and negative with your views of Gibbs and Brunell, that you should consider reading some of the threads by fans of opposing teams and see if you don't sound like them in your attacks against the QB that you feel is washed up.

I was about to write a post saying let's put the whole Ramsey-Brunell QB debate behind us, be happy about the win, and look forward to next week. Now this. I really do not intend to sound aggressive and I do not want to pick or engage in a pissing contest. I know that your post was not directed at anyone in particular, but do not ever question my love of the Redskins.

If you would like to start an alternate fan-site that is based on the philosophy, "love it, don't question it, or leave it" that's fine. I invite you to do so. Just don't question fan loyalty here because a great many people don't share the same views you (or even Gibbs) do.

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Can we please stop rehashing the Brunell-Ramsey debate and enjoy the win for one day???!!!! Jesus, we're acting like we lost.