The Gibbs Hypocrisy!

12thMan · 09-13-2005, 07:13 PM

Yeah, I thought for sure either D'Boyz or lahof73 would have written an essay by now.

offiss · 09-13-2005, 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by illdefined

don't bother questioning. around here everything is answered by "The Gibbs Works In Mysterious Ways"

Your on a role today ill, your making me laugh!

illdefined · 09-13-2005, 07:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by illdefined

don't bother questioning. around here everything is answered by "The Gibbs Works In Mysterious Ways"

...feel free to use that as a sig anybody...

GoSkins! · 09-13-2005, 07:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by illdefined

don't bother questioning. around here everything is answered by "The Gibbs Works In Mysterious Ways"

I don't understand what is so mysterious about "don't turn the ball over"???

Also phrased:
"We have to protect the ball"
"Turn overs lose games"
"Our guys know how the odds go down for winning when you turn the ball over once, and twice..."
"We have hammered on these guys that we cant turn the ball over. We may have to resort to something other than words"

Ramsey throws a good ball, but he has been looking more like Jeff George than Tom Brady. If you turn the ball over, you had better throw more TDs than ints AND fumbles. I agree that he deserved more time, but three drives and he loses the ball three times? That is ridiculous.

Guys, if Ramsey were to start against Dallas after what he did against the Bears, Parcells would blitz him all night and we may not have a Ramsey by the end of the game.

illdefined · 09-13-2005, 07:30 PM

simply because one thing does take precedence over not turning the ball over. winning.

GoSkins! · 09-13-2005, 07:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by illdefined

simply because one thing does take precedence over not turning the ball over. winning.

Winning teams don't turn the ball over.

If I'm wrong, show me some proof.

illdefined · 09-13-2005, 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by GoSkins!

Winning teams don't turn the ball over.

If I'm wrong, show me some proof.

do you need proof Ramsey won more regular season games than Brunell? does that count for anything or is it just turnovers and preseason completion ratio that count?

That Guy · 09-13-2005, 07:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GoSkins!

I don't understand what is so mysterious about "don't turn the ball over"???

Also phrased:
"We have to protect the ball"
"Turn overs lose games"
"Our guys know how the odds go down for winning when you turn the ball over once, and twice..."
"We have hammered on these guys that we cant turn the ball over. We may have to resort to something other than words"

Ramsey throws a good ball, but he has been looking more like Jeff George than Tom Brady. If you turn the ball over, you had better throw more TDs than ints AND fumbles. I agree that he deserved more time, but three drives and he loses the ball three times? That is ridiculous.

Guys, if Ramsey were to start against Dallas after what he did against the Bears, Parcells would blitz him all night and we may not have a Ramsey by the end of the game.

the thing is they BOTH turned it over a lot last year :/ It just seems weird how loyal he seems to be to brunell specificly, but the strange part is how he declared ramsey his undisputed starter for so long (when he absolutely didn't have to) and then flipped so suddenly (we all knew/know he loves brunell too much, but most thought he'd give ramsey more than 19 minutes to see what he could do).

Radio's been talking about it all day, lots of people are upset, not so much over ramsey as much as over the sudden change (though somewhat expected i guess). I'm just kinda bummed cause i don't see brunell leading us up and onwards... I had no gaurantees ramsey could do that either, but it seemed more likely.

We'll see how brunell does, but what happens if he stinks it up and throws 2ints in 20 minutes? campbell? back to ramsey? my guess is gibbs would just leave him in, and that's really what's sorta chapping my ass

Dana87 · 09-13-2005, 07:56 PM

I was trying to figure out how some of you could be so against Brunell taking over for Ramsey as the starter, and then it hit me you guys don't bother to watch the games. Because if you had then you would come to the same conclusion that Coach Gibbs did. Ramsey, while full of potential just can't seem to get in rythem. He has constantly turned the ball over. He couldn't even get through the 1st posession without giving up the ball and valuable field position. Now I know what you Brunell detractors are going to say... Brunell was going against 2nd & 3rd team players in the preseason. And your right. But the important thing about the way he played was his accuracy. It doesn't matter whether Champ Bailey or Beatle Bailey is in coverage If Brunell's passes are on target hiting our receivers in stride and Ramsey's passes are either under thrown and picked off or over thrown to a WR that has 2 steps on his man , it is clear which QB is ready to lead the team right now and which one needs to wait his turn. With all that said, I am a big Patrick Ramsey Fan. I think he is one of the gutsiest players I have ever seen. I just believe that it doesn't make sense to let patrick play himself into a rythem when we haven't seen any consistancy to build on. I hope that Patrick can hang in there because he might get another chance to prove himself.

sportscurmudgeon · 09-13-2005, 08:10 PM

Since people are trying desperately to reduce this QB decision to a simple yes/no status, let me try something here.

This is 2005 - not 2004. We have a very small data set to work with since there has been only one game thusfar, but if I remember correctly the Redskins did not have 9 points on the board when Brunell came into the game. So he did not "preserve a win", he was the QB on the field when the winning points showed up.

Look, football is a team game so neither QB won the Bears' game by himself - nor will any one player lose many games by himself. But if "winning is what matters" - and you know that I fundamentally believe that it is - then in 2005, Mark Brunell is more about winning than Patrick Ramsey is. That was not the case in 2004 to be sure, but then again, it is 2005...

Oh, and by the way, unless Patrick Ramsey goes AWOL - which would REALLY make him desirable on the trade/free agent market

- he is not going to be traded anywhere this year. He can demand or not demand to be traded; he's here for the season.

skinsguy · 09-13-2005, 08:11 PM

*Yawn*

I'm with Matty....let the story unfold on the field. I'm tired of the debating between two medicore QBs.

davy · 09-13-2005, 08:14 PM

Any member of this board who believes he is more able than Gibbs to judge the relative merits of Brunell and Ramsey is seriously delusional and really ought to seek professional psychiatric help.

You know who you are.

That Guy · 09-13-2005, 08:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dana87

I was trying to figure out how some of you could be so against Brunell taking over for Ramsey as the starter, and then it hit me you guys don't bother to watch the games. Because if you had then you would come to the same conclusion that Coach Gibbs did.

Please! stopping telling people what they think and calling people who disagree stupid. It's getting old.

Defensewins · 09-13-2005, 08:30 PM

The one thing that all the rabid Ramsey fanatics keeping bringing up is "last year Ramsey played better and won more games than Brunell."
Well the truth is the Redskins were 3-6 when Ramsey took over as starting QB, and the Redskins playoff hopes were pretty much all gone. There was no immediate pressure on Ramsey to win a couple of games and get us in the playoffs. The playoff pressure was gone.
Ramsey has proven time and again that when the pressure is on he falls apart. In the 2004 preseason when the competition for QB was open and the pressure was on, Ramsey played his worst ever as a Skin.
In 2005 preseason, Ramsey was named the starter and the pressure was on again for Ramsey to take us to the playoffs, but yet again Ramsey played his worst football as a Skin.
I have said this several times on TWP, Ramsey besides his slow foot work, inability to elude the rush, bad decisions with the ball, holds on to the ball to long, gets sacked too much and turnovering the ball too much, his biggest weakness is he does not step up in the clutch. He cannot handle the pressure.
In his four years as a Redskin he has shown flashes... that is all.
I never understood some of the posts of years pasts that have compared the great Ramsey to Brett Farve etc. etc.
Now those folks are the ones that are upset about Ramsey getting benched.
The reality that ramsey is not very good right now and was benched because of it hurts some folks. That is understandable.

illdefined · 09-13-2005, 08:37 PM

what did Brunell show outside of Jacksonville and the preseasons? anybody??

09-13-2005, 07:13 PM	#16
12thMan MVP Join Date: May 2005 Location: washington, D.C. Posts: 11,460	Re: The Gibbs Hypocrisy! Yeah, I thought for sure either D'Boyz or lahof73 would have written an essay by now.

09-13-2005, 07:30 PM	#20
illdefined Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: nyc Age: 48 Posts: 2,631	Re: The Gibbs Hypocrisy! simply because one thing does take precedence over not turning the ball over. winning.

09-13-2005, 07:56 PM	#24
Dana87 Special Teams Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Saint Augustine, Florida Age: 63 Posts: 130	Re: The Gibbs Hypocrisy! I was trying to figure out how some of you could be so against Brunell taking over for Ramsey as the starter, and then it hit me you guys don't bother to watch the games. Because if you had then you would come to the same conclusion that Coach Gibbs did. Ramsey, while full of potential just can't seem to get in rythem. He has constantly turned the ball over. He couldn't even get through the 1st posession without giving up the ball and valuable field position. Now I know what you Brunell detractors are going to say... Brunell was going against 2nd & 3rd team players in the preseason. And your right. But the important thing about the way he played was his accuracy. It doesn't matter whether Champ Bailey or Beatle Bailey is in coverage If Brunell's passes are on target hiting our receivers in stride and Ramsey's passes are either under thrown and picked off or over thrown to a WR that has 2 steps on his man , it is clear which QB is ready to lead the team right now and which one needs to wait his turn. With all that said, I am a big Patrick Ramsey Fan. I think he is one of the gutsiest players I have ever seen. I just believe that it doesn't make sense to let patrick play himself into a rythem when we haven't seen any consistancy to build on. I hope that Patrick can hang in there because he might get another chance to prove himself.

09-13-2005, 08:10 PM	#25
sportscurmudgeon Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 3,159	Re: The Gibbs Hypocrisy! Since people are trying desperately to reduce this QB decision to a simple yes/no status, let me try something here. This is 2005 - not 2004. We have a very small data set to work with since there has been only one game thusfar, but if I remember correctly the Redskins did not have 9 points on the board when Brunell came into the game. So he did not "preserve a win", he was the QB on the field when the winning points showed up. Look, football is a team game so neither QB won the Bears' game by himself - nor will any one player lose many games by himself. But if "winning is what matters" - and you know that I fundamentally believe that it is - then in 2005, Mark Brunell is more about winning than Patrick Ramsey is. That was not the case in 2004 to be sure, but then again, it is 2005... Oh, and by the way, unless Patrick Ramsey goes AWOL - which would REALLY make him desirable on the trade/free agent market - he is not going to be traded anywhere this year. He can demand or not demand to be traded; he's here for the season. __________________ The Sports Curmudgeon www.sportscurmudgeon.com But don't get me wrong, I love sports...

09-13-2005, 08:11 PM	#26
skinsguy Pro Bowl Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Greensboro, North Carolina Posts: 6,766	Re: The Gibbs Hypocrisy! Yawn I'm with Matty....let the story unfold on the field. I'm tired of the debating between two medicore QBs. __________________ "Fire Up That Diesel!"

09-13-2005, 08:14 PM	#27
davy Impact Rookie Join Date: May 2004 Location: England Posts: 936	Re: The Gibbs Hypocrisy! Any member of this board who believes he is more able than Gibbs to judge the relative merits of Brunell and Ramsey is seriously delusional and really ought to seek professional psychiatric help. You know who you are.

09-13-2005, 08:30 PM	#29
Defensewins Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Houston, Texas Posts: 3,749	Re: The Gibbs Hypocrisy! The one thing that all the rabid Ramsey fanatics keeping bringing up is "last year Ramsey played better and won more games than Brunell." Well the truth is the Redskins were 3-6 when Ramsey took over as starting QB, and the Redskins playoff hopes were pretty much all gone. There was no immediate pressure on Ramsey to win a couple of games and get us in the playoffs. The playoff pressure was gone. Ramsey has proven time and again that when the pressure is on he falls apart. In the 2004 preseason when the competition for QB was open and the pressure was on, Ramsey played his worst ever as a Skin. In 2005 preseason, Ramsey was named the starter and the pressure was on again for Ramsey to take us to the playoffs, but yet again Ramsey played his worst football as a Skin. I have said this several times on TWP, Ramsey besides his slow foot work, inability to elude the rush, bad decisions with the ball, holds on to the ball to long, gets sacked too much and turnovering the ball too much, his biggest weakness is he does not step up in the clutch. He cannot handle the pressure. In his four years as a Redskin he has shown flashes... that is all. I never understood some of the posts of years pasts that have compared the great Ramsey to Brett Farve etc. etc. Now those folks are the ones that are upset about Ramsey getting benched. The reality that ramsey is not very good right now and was benched because of it hurts some folks. That is understandable.

09-13-2005, 08:37 PM	#30
illdefined Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: nyc Age: 48 Posts: 2,631	Re: The Gibbs Hypocrisy! what did Brunell show outside of Jacksonville and the preseasons? anybody??

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