Warrick Holdman

[Skins fan 44]

What are we doing paying Bruce Smith 2 million ++. I know we wavied him, but I thought he retired.

[JoeRedskin]

Because he was waived, the remnants of his signing bonus were accelerated. Although he has indicated that he is retiring, I do not believe he has filed the appropriate paperwork with the league. Technically, he can still sign with someone else.

[Skins fan 44]

Not to sound dumb, but why didn't we have him retire instead of waive to save cap space? Or is he planning to retire as a Bill and would it affect him retiring there?

[]<ing]

To answer the quetion about Holdman, from KFFL.com (4/5/04)



Lions Offer Holdman 2 year Deal

Sources have told ProFootballCentral.com that the Detroit Lions have offered Free Agent LB Warrick Holdman (Bears) a 2 year contract. Holdman, who also has visited Cleveland, St Louis ,Seattle and Washington has been a coveted linebacker in Free Agency. Holdman has played in 59 games (47 starts) during the past five seasons recording 346 career tackles in 5 seasons forced eight fumbles, recorded one interception, one fumble recovery and had 3.5 sacks. Detroit is the only team to offer Holdman a deal so far due to some teams questioning how healthy his surgically repaired knee is and is expected to make a decision by Thursday.

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by Skins fan 44

Not to sound dumb, but why didn't we have him retire instead of waive to save cap space? Or is he planning to retire as a Bill and would it affect him retiring there?

I am pretty sure retirement acts just like a waiver in that the salary cap hit gets accelerated. The only way to take a smaller cap hit is for him to retire from the roster after June 1 (same as a post June 1 cut).

Also, the Skins can't make Bruce retire, he has to file the paperwork with the league office (I think date of retirement affects pension, benefits, etc.). From what I have read Bruce is still thinking about playing somewhere this upcoming season.

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by Skins fan 44

What are we doing paying Bruce Smith 2 million ++. I know we wavied him, but I thought he retired.

BTW - I was wondering, where did you get this number? From what I recall, Bruce had a relatively small signing bonus which should have been mostly pro-rated out by now. A 2 million dollar cap hit seems pretty high.

My recollection was that he had a four year contract with a 3 Million SB, which would make this the last year of the contract with a cap hit of 750K. Maybe I am thinking of someone else.

[]<ing]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

From what I have read Bruce is still thinking about playing somewhere this upcoming season.

[JoeRedskin]

]<ing - Note that I didn't say anyone would sign him. I should have said Bruce may be hoping to play somewhere this year.

[Skins fan 44]

JoeRedskin: Thanks for clearing thing up.
I got the 2.3 million on bruce smith from the salary cap figures thread. Click on the 2004 salaries. I bumped for you.

[]<ing]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

]<ing - Note that I didn't say anyone would sign him. I should have said Bruce may be hoping to play somewhere this year.

Yeah -- I'm not laughing that you said it, I'm laughing at the idea of him thinking that he has anything left.

[skinsfanthru&thru]

he's still hungering for that elusive ring. I liked him until he started whining about starting and playing more even though he wasn't very productive on a consistent basis. and didn't he also say he wasn't still playing to get the record, but for his team and teammates? what a load of crappola.

[dieselhog]

Smith did so much fence sitting he had splinters in his ass. He wouldn't make the decision so it was made for him, we needed the cap space now rather than later as we wouldn't have been able to sign Marcus Washington and the other guys otherwise.

Skins have improved their offer to Holdman.

[Dave Butz Baby!]

Originally Posted by ]<ing

I don't think anyones signed Gold yet -- Chicago is still talking about picking him up.

Nope, he's still hanging around with a phone that's apparently not ringing. He's asking for entirely way too much money.

Think there's any correlation between said silent phone and the fact that he's represented by some dude named Poston?

Hmmmm....... Could be!

[SKINSnCANES]

We gave him a new offer today, I guess the Skins really want to get him

[SKINSnCANES]

FYI, I met all of the Skins after the game against the dolphins. I was standing next to Snyder when Bruce Smith was complaining about his contract. I have no respect for Bruce Smith or Matt Bowen because they were the only two Skins that wouldnt talk to me or give me an autograph. They were both arrogant, pompus and basically assholes. Matt Bowen wouldnt even look at me, then I watched him take money from his mom to have some spending money, what a chump...