Taylor or Winslow...

Ade Jimoh Fan Club · 04-02-2004, 10:50 AM

Winslow is supposed to be a lock, but Troupe and Watson and some of the other guys look pretty good too. Nothing's for sure...

Plus, we've got some excellent slot guys in Trash, Jacobs, and McCants - which lessen the importance of Winslow (even though he'd be an upgrade).

If Chamberlain gets his act together - he could return to "stud" form. What ever happened to him anyway?? I know he got fat and out of shape, but I mean, how can you go from stud to dud w/o trying to make a comeback?? We haven't released him yet, so that's a sign that there's still some potential.

If we got Winslow, I'd be thrilled. But I think Taylor is the way to go. No wrong answer here!!

Defensewins · 04-02-2004, 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk72

wow this poll isn't even close, I'm kinda surprised

This should not come as a suprise. The reason is very obvious

... we need to upgrade our defense more than our offense. We have not drafted a defensive player w/our top pick in the draft in four years. Arrington in 2000 was the last one. It is the Defense's turn to get a top player.
Recent top picks:

2003......Taylor Jacobs and Derrick Dockery
2002......Patrick Ramsey and Ledell Betts
2001......Rod Gardner
2000......Lavar Arrington

I think it is time for Snyder/Cerrato to realize, a high powered Offense sells tickets but Strong defense wins championships. The problem is drafting Defensive players does not get the headlines Snyder craves.

Ade Jimoh Fan Club · 04-02-2004, 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Defensewins

I think it is time for Snyder/Cerrato to realize, high a powered Offense sells tickets but Strong defense wins championships. The problem is drafting Defensive players does not get the headlines Snyder craves.

Good point. I think that Portis & Brunnel should check the "high-powered offense" block. Time to look to the D.

Redskins8588 · 04-02-2004, 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by JoeGibbsIsBack

True about defense but you could look at it two ways. Its also been said the best defense is a great offense.

Do you think that is what the Colts thought when they played NE in the AFC title game??

Defensewins · 04-02-2004, 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by JoeGibbsIsBack

True about defense but you could look at it two ways. Its also been said the best defense is a great offense.

I think KC will disagree with you as well, they got crushed in the playoffs.
It was said all year by the so-called "experts" that KC had the best offense in the NFL during the regular season 2003. The Colts came in a close second. They both were beat soundly in the playoffs. Payton Manning had something like 4 interceptions?
Every team that has won the Superbowl since 2000 has won with strong defense.

2003.... New England
2002.....Tampa Bay
2001.....New England
2000.....Baltimore

None of these teams has a scary offense. They won with defense.

MTK · 04-02-2004, 12:17 PM

Still, the thought of a dynamic TE like Winslow in this offense is a pleasant thought.

Seriously, how many sleepless nights would opposing d-coordinators have with having to prepare for an offense that would feature Brunell, Coles, Gardner, Portis, Winslow and with Gibbs calling the shots!? Scary.

Defensewins · 04-02-2004, 12:21 PM

I would rather let the opposing d- coordinators sleep at night and win a Superbowl,
rather than having a team like Colts and KC, that constantly lose in the playoffs....because their defense (as is ours) is inadequate.
Mr. Snyder, the goal is to win superbowls, not to create a fantasy league team offense.

SkinsRock · 04-02-2004, 01:03 PM

Isn't the actual saying the opposite: The best offense is a great defense.
A great defense that keeps the opposing offense of the field is a great tool for the offense to have.

SKINSnCANES · 04-02-2004, 04:11 PM

One reason that Im not sure ive seen anyone mention about Winslow is he speed. Not his speed as a receiver, but the speed he offers as a blocker. If Johnson would have been Portis blocker he would have outran him. Now I know you are supposed to follow your blocker and wait for holes, but Portis is known for making the big play, and if you have a blocker that can run faster the big play will be bigger. Winslow is no where near as fast as portis, but he can block and run faster then a blocking fullback. Gibbs runs a lot of counters and end a rounds that this would prove useful.

SKINSnCANES · 04-02-2004, 04:12 PM

With that I said, and with everyone knowing that ive made a lot of posts on those two, I havent voted yet and am still undecided. Im waiting for them to draft them both so I dont have to say what if

SKINSnCANES · 04-02-2004, 04:15 PM

Well, I decided to vote for Taylor just becuase hes worth more to more teams. The Patriots can have their super bowls and Taylor to...

JWsleep · 04-02-2004, 07:29 PM

Gibbs' offense is built on the H-back. Winslow looks like the perfect H-back prospect. Give the man the tools he needs on O. Fix the D next year. Rome wasn't built in a day!

KW II

Ghost · 04-02-2004, 09:31 PM

I voted for Taylor because of our needs on D but I keep flip-flopping ... it would be nice to get them both but that's just a dream, ain't gonna happen. Kellen Winslow as H-back would make the offense dominant, Taylor would quarterback the D from day one and make up for the loss of Champ. I'm happy either way but it's Taylor by a nose hair because defense wins championships, yada yada, as others said before. But remember when the Rams won it all with no D to speak of? Hmmm. And you almost get the sense that Gregg Williams could take 11 Warpath posters and make a top flight D. Man I just don't know.

skins009 · 04-03-2004, 12:01 AM

Gibbs offense alread has everything it needs to be succesfull. Talented O-line where it all starts. A rising star as runningback. A rising star at qp (Ramsey not brunnel), and very talented recievers. The defense however is far from the super bowl calliber. It needs another playmaker, Tayler. A major help on the d-line. To me there's no question that our pick has to address the defense.

joecrisp · 04-03-2004, 09:40 AM

The more I read the Taylor-supporters' posts, the more I start flip-flopping. I voted for Winslow, but you guys make a pretty good argument for focusing on the defense in this draft. It's definitely true that the defense has been neglected in recent drafts, and they need a true playmaker in the secondary to complement Smoot.

I'd be ecstatic if the FO could figure out a way to get both Taylor and Winslow. I doubt it would happen. What about the possibility of getting both Taylor and Udeze? Talk about helping out the defense! Can you imagine a Gregg Williams defense featuring Udeze, Arrington, Washington, Smoot AND Taylor?! Now that would be freakin' scary!

View Poll Results: Who Should the Redskins Draft at #5
Sean Taylor	47	85.45%
Kellen Winslow	8	14.55%
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04-02-2004, 12:21 PM	#22
Defensewins Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Houston, Texas Posts: 3,742	I would rather let the opposing d- coordinators sleep at night and win a Superbowl, rather than having a team like Colts and KC, that constantly lose in the playoffs....because their defense (as is ours) is inadequate. Mr. Snyder, the goal is to win superbowls, not to create a fantasy league team offense. Last edited by Defensewins; 04-02-2004 at 12:29 PM.

04-02-2004, 04:11 PM	#24
SKINSnCANES Pro Bowl Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: New Jersey Age: 42 Posts: 5,453	One reason that Im not sure ive seen anyone mention about Winslow is he speed. Not his speed as a receiver, but the speed he offers as a blocker. If Johnson would have been Portis blocker he would have outran him. Now I know you are supposed to follow your blocker and wait for holes, but Portis is known for making the big play, and if you have a blocker that can run faster the big play will be bigger. Winslow is no where near as fast as portis, but he can block and run faster then a blocking fullback. Gibbs runs a lot of counters and end a rounds that this would prove useful. __________________ "I'm used to winning, coming from the University of Miami. " Clinton Portis

04-02-2004, 04:12 PM	#25
SKINSnCANES Pro Bowl Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: New Jersey Age: 42 Posts: 5,453	With that I said, and with everyone knowing that ive made a lot of posts on those two, I havent voted yet and am still undecided. Im waiting for them to draft them both so I dont have to say what if __________________ "I'm used to winning, coming from the University of Miami. " Clinton Portis

04-02-2004, 04:15 PM	#26
SKINSnCANES Pro Bowl Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: New Jersey Age: 42 Posts: 5,453	Well, I decided to vote for Taylor just becuase hes worth more to more teams. The Patriots can have their super bowls and Taylor to... __________________ "I'm used to winning, coming from the University of Miami. " Clinton Portis

04-02-2004, 10:50 AM	#16
Ade Jimoh Fan Club Special Teams Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 410	Winslow is supposed to be a lock, but Troupe and Watson and some of the other guys look pretty good too. Nothing's for sure... Plus, we've got some excellent slot guys in Trash, Jacobs, and McCants - which lessen the importance of Winslow (even though he'd be an upgrade). If Chamberlain gets his act together - he could return to "stud" form. What ever happened to him anyway?? I know he got fat and out of shape, but I mean, how can you go from stud to dud w/o trying to make a comeback?? We haven't released him yet, so that's a sign that there's still some potential. If we got Winslow, I'd be thrilled. But I think Taylor is the way to go. No wrong answer here!!

04-02-2004, 12:17 PM	#21
MTK \m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: NY Age: 51 Posts: 99,427	Still, the thought of a dynamic TE like Winslow in this offense is a pleasant thought. Seriously, how many sleepless nights would opposing d-coordinators have with having to prepare for an offense that would feature Brunell, Coles, Gardner, Portis, Winslow and with Gibbs calling the shots!? Scary.

04-02-2004, 01:03 PM	#23
SkinsRock Impact Rookie Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Crofton, MD Age: 54 Posts: 907	Isn't the actual saying the opposite: The best offense is a great defense. A great defense that keeps the opposing offense of the field is a great tool for the offense to have.

04-02-2004, 07:29 PM	#27
JWsleep Propane and propane accessories Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Houston, TX Age: 55 Posts: 4,702	Gibbs' offense is built on the H-back. Winslow looks like the perfect H-back prospect. Give the man the tools he needs on O. Fix the D next year. Rome wasn't built in a day! KW II __________________ Hail from Houston!

04-02-2004, 09:31 PM	#28
Ghost Special Teams Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 298	I voted for Taylor because of our needs on D but I keep flip-flopping ... it would be nice to get them both but that's just a dream, ain't gonna happen. Kellen Winslow as H-back would make the offense dominant, Taylor would quarterback the D from day one and make up for the loss of Champ. I'm happy either way but it's Taylor by a nose hair because defense wins championships, yada yada, as others said before. But remember when the Rams won it all with no D to speak of? Hmmm. And you almost get the sense that Gregg Williams could take 11 Warpath posters and make a top flight D. Man I just don't know.

04-03-2004, 12:01 AM	#29
skins009 Impact Rookie Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 528	Gibbs offense alread has everything it needs to be succesfull. Talented O-line where it all starts. A rising star as runningback. A rising star at qp (Ramsey not brunnel), and very talented recievers. The defense however is far from the super bowl calliber. It needs another playmaker, Tayler. A major help on the d-line. To me there's no question that our pick has to address the defense.

04-03-2004, 09:40 AM	#30
joecrisp The Starter Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Charlottesville, VA Age: 48 Posts: 1,501	The more I read the Taylor-supporters' posts, the more I start flip-flopping. I voted for Winslow, but you guys make a pretty good argument for focusing on the defense in this draft. It's definitely true that the defense has been neglected in recent drafts, and they need a true playmaker in the secondary to complement Smoot. I'd be ecstatic if the FO could figure out a way to get both Taylor and Winslow. I doubt it would happen. What about the possibility of getting both Taylor and Udeze? Talk about helping out the defense! Can you imagine a Gregg Williams defense featuring Udeze, Arrington, Washington, Smoot AND Taylor?! Now that would be freakin' scary!

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