QB's since Ramsey's draft

[offiss]

Originally Posted by saden1

Big Ben is definitely couple of notches above Ramsey and I don't mean high wise. And incase you forgot we've had solid D the past couple of years! Our problem has always been offense.

Circumstances dictate much of the time a player's productivity, Ramsey is just as capable of doing the same thing's BB is, the problem has been the players and the coaching around him, I have no doubt that Ramsey will be very successful in the NFL, whether it's with us is still to be determined.

[Schneed10]

I'd take Leftwich, Roethlisberger, and maybe Carson Palmer over Ramsey.

Palmer has only played 13 games, and in those games he had 18 TDs and 18 INTs, 2900 passing yards, and above 60% completion percentage. And that was his first year starting.

[memphisskin]

I'm not sure about Patrick, but that's probably more a result of the constant turmoil that has surrounded the franchise than any failing on his part. When I think of Patrick's potential I remember the game against the Titans his rookie year when he threw for 300 yards and looked like a confident strong armed qb.

I don't think we've had a system conducive to success since Patrick has been here. I do think we are now building towards that success, and hopefully Ramsey is a part of it. I think he can be a good qb in this league, with Portis behind him he'll have a ton of opportunities to look good the only real question being can he capitalize on them. Last year he couldn't, but with another year in Gibbs' system, maybe he'll come around. We won't contend again until we improve our passing game, and Ramsey is the key to that improvement because while we all hope he can play better there isn't much to show that he will.

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

I'd take Big Ben and Leftwich over Ramsey (and I'm Ramseyfan). That said, we need a little bit of something we haven't had lately here in Washington.....patience. Young quarterbacks need game time on a consistent basis (not 2 weeks here, 6 weeks there, and 5 weeks here). We've never really given Ramsey a shot.

He had probably the worst supporting offensive cast in his rookie season (with Davis injured and Gardner as his only wideout). He had piss poor protection in his second year, no running game (remember Canidate), and a poor defense (ranked something like #23). He was given just a few games to prove himself last year against some damn good teams (i.e. Eagles twice, Steelers, etc) and did well against the bad ones (i.e. 49ers). He's had three offensive coordinators, three different running backs, two different head coaches, two different offensive systems, and a poorly-coached offensive line (until last year when the O-line was without a real center or right tackle).

I know he didn't perform well last preseason, has been inconsistent, and is far from a Pro Bowler, but lets try being patient, have faith in Ramsey and give him the time and support he deserves. The guy has been beaten down like a rag doll and gets right back up every time. He CERTAINLY has the talent to be a very, very good starter and just needs the vision and football smarts (starts) to be great. He's a tough, gun-slinging, hard working, and smart (yes, he's very intelligent) quarterback.

I have a lot of faith in Ramsey. If he's offered protection, a decent running game (4.0 ypc), and a decent offensive system (one that goes down field AND offers some protection), he'll give us a winning record.

[Gmanc711]

I love Ramsey, but if I had my pick, Letwitch and Rothlesberger in a heart beat. I dont care if Big Bens numbers were 7-7 for 38 yards and a TD, he won 16 straight, so I'll take that any day. Good numbers or not, Leftwitch is a hell of a QB. Other than that, you can really make the argument either way. Since I'm such a huge Ramsey guy, I'll say him over everyone else but theres some guys that its a real toss up. They are all still so young; thats why I hate it when people are so critical of Ramsey somtimes. Harrington, Carr, Ramsey, and even Carson Palmer are coming into big years of their career in terms of proving what they have or lack thereof.

[uhohjimoh]

This will be Ramseys year, if not, then we need to hope that we can finally find a stable Qb fo rthis sytem...someone that the fans can be proud of and rally around

[Redskins8588]

I think that Big Ben gets too much credit. People fail to see that he landed in the best situation that a young and talented QB could land in. Look at the Steelers team all-around, they had a very good WR group with Pro-Bowler Hines Ward, Burress, and Randle El.

Then he had two very big power-backs to hand off to in Jerome Bettis and Duce Staley, not to mention the o-line, which had like 1 or 2 pro-bowlers. Big Ben also had the #1 D to fall back on if he threw an INT. You could even see if you watched any steeler game, if Ben threw an Int it did not bother him because he knew how good the D was. I may be wrong but the D also supported like 2 or 3 pro-bowlers.

Also Big Ben had a very good special teams unit to give him a short field to work with.

I am not saying that Ben sucks, or that he is not a good young talented QB. Yeah the Steelers did have 16 straight victories, but not just do to Ben's QB play but rather than the whole team being a fundamentaly sound team at every level, offense, deffense and special teams. Ben did make very good choices and looked very good in during games, but like I mentioned he came in to a system allready established. Would the Steelers have won 16 straight had Maddox not been injured, I dont know, but something tells me that the Steelers still would have made the playoffs...

[Daseal]

Let's not forget how many bad games Big Ben had. He only really played great in 2-3 games. Most of the time his amazing running game and his good (yet overrated) defense saved him (They were #1 because they saw less snaps than any other defense. Skins were best in YPP.) Ben did do some impressive things as a rookie, but Ward, Burress, and Randal-El along with Staley/Bettis, one of the leagues best lines, and a good solid coaching staff is a dream for a rookie QB to drop into.

[manicd]

Originally Posted by Daseal

Let's not forget how many bad games Big Ben had. He only really played great in 2-3 games. Most of the time his amazing running game and his good (yet overrated) defense saved him (They were #1 because they saw less snaps than any other defense. Skins were best in YPP.) Ben did do some impressive things as a rookie, but Ward, Burress, and Randal-El along with Staley/Bettis, one of the leagues best lines, and a good solid coaching staff is a dream for a rookie QB to drop into.

Our D was number 1 in YPP? That is a freaking awesome stat! Can you imagine how good they can be if our offense becomes even mediocre to keep the D off the field more.

[BrudLee]

Originally Posted by manicd

Our D was number 1 in YPP? That is a freaking awesome stat! Can you imagine how good they can be if our offense becomes even mediocre to keep the D off the field more.

That's the real amazing stat from last year. Pittsburgh's running offense was #2 in the league last year - but more importantly (for ball control purposes) led the league in attempts. They also completed 63.7% of their passes - another key time of possesion stat. They beat us by 147 yards over a 16 game season.

Compared to Pittsburgh, we spotted our opponents an extra 2:40 of offense, and we lost seven games by one score or less. There's the reason for hope.

[TheMalcolmConnection]

Couldn't have said it better myself.

[BossHog]

I just can't get over the INT he threw against PHI in the back of the endzone.

[monk81]

Carr and Ramsey had something in common....a weak offensive line........ours will improve this year with Jansen back and Rabach at center. Carr has no time to throw....he's gotten some unfair criticism, hopefully, the guy they drafted this year will give him some protection.....

I like Big Ben......Harrington has the smell of a bust....I'm not a big fan of Leftwich I saw a few games where he played terrible.......