The Wilson Blueprint

[Schneed10]

Problem is Griffin is a pretty careless guy when he gets near contact. Some call it fearless, I call it careless. Wilson understands where the defense is at all times and slides at the end of all of his runs. Rarely takes a big shot. RG3 just doesn't.

So he either needs to learn that knack, or he needs to stay in the pocket. I'd prefer he learned the knack.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

70.3 comp and 1 int...tells me he's decision making is probably top 3 in the league. He may not be throwing much, but when he does its he's executing at an extremely high level.

I agree that Wilson makes good decision, but is it fair to compare him with QBs like Luck, Rodgers, etc., etc. whose teams depend a lot on the passing game?

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

I agree that Wilson makes good decision, but is it fair to compare him with QBs like Luck, Rodgers, etc., etc. whose teams depend a lot on the passing game?

RW is in the MVP conversation. I dont think you handicap him for executing and winning. Sh*t, ask Peyton Manning what he thinks of RW.

[Chico23231]

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[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

Problem is Griffin is a pretty careless guy when he gets near contact. Some call it fearless, I call it careless. Wilson understands where the defense is at all times and slides at the end of all of his runs. Rarely takes a big shot. RG3 just doesn't.

So he either needs to learn that knack, or he needs to stay in the pocket. I'd prefer he learned the knack.

Wilson took a couple of shots last night, but you're right. Wilson does a much better job at taking care of himself.

I'm just wondering if this has a lot to do with the expectation of each QB. The Seahawks didn't pick up Wilson to be the franchise QB, he just fell into the job. Everyone knows that for the most part, Seattle's strength lies on their defense and running game. Whereas RG3 is expected to be the franchise QB and in 2012 he was THE playmaker on the team (with Morris' help).

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

RW is in the MVP conversation. I dont think you handicap him for executing and winning. Sh*t, ask Peyton Manning what he thinks of RW.

Peyton is probably more concerned with Seattle's defense than Russell Wilson.

[skinsguy]

I saw Wilson take several big shots last night - but nobody really notices that when the Seahawks are winning. Just like when the 'skins were winning - we didn't care if RGIII took the big hit...as long as he got up and the 'skins kept winning.

[htownskinfan]

I'm sick of people bringing up seattle's defense when it comes to Wilson.He was just slightly behind RG3 as a rookie and now he's surpassed him by so far its not funny.
Seattles defense had nothing to do with Wilsons 122 yards rushing,and that last drive where we had Wilson dead to right and he just put the knife in our back,what does Seattle's defense have to do with that? Wilson is a stud,period.
If you want to bring up wins then yes Seattle wins more because of their defense,but that has nothing to do with how good Wilson is.

[saden1]

There is a reason why when people talk about Elite QBs they talk about a handful of guys. You either have IT or you don't. If RG3 hasn't figured it out by now that mofo isn't going to now.

Both Wilson and Luck are entering that handful count and I am afraid the boat has sailed on RG3.

[Coff]

Originally Posted by htownskinfan

I'm sick of people bringing up seattle's defense when it comes to Wilson.He was just slightly behind RG3 as a rookie and now he's surpassed him by so far its not funny.
Seattles defense had nothing to do with Wilsons 122 yards rushing,and that last drive where we had Wilson dead to right and he just put the knife in our back,what does Seattle's defense have to do with that? Wilson is a stud,period.
If you want to bring up wins then yes Seattle wins more because of their defense,but that has nothing to do with how good Wilson is.

No one is saying that Wilson isn't good, or even that he hasn't progressed more than RGIII. The problem is that a) people hold RGIII responsible for that, and b) don't believe that he has the potential to become a star (again). Wilson has enjoyed ideal development conditions, while Griffin has faced anything but: a torn knee, a head coaching fiasco, a team that is always playing from behind, etc.

Would any reasonable person not expect Wilson's development to outpace RGIII's at this point, considering all of the external factors? No, of course not. So there are two ways we can look at Griffin: a guy who has the potential to be a franchise QB, or we can just assume that he won't be and in his place insert whomever is roaming the sidelines as the back-up, with the reasonable expectation that that person will be the next Peyton Manning (because that plan has worked so well for the past two decades).

[Coff]

Originally Posted by saden1

There is a reason why when people talk about Elite QBs they talk about a handful of guys. You either have IT or you don't. If RG3 hasn't figured it out by now that mofo isn't going to now.

Both Wilson and Luck are entering that handful count and I am afraid the boat has sailed on RG3.

There are plenty of elite QBs who didn't look elite after their first two years. Brees and Rogers come to mind, both of whom have won a Super Bowl in the past five years.

That being said, not being an "elite" QB is no reason to get rid of a guy. Stability and consistency are equally important. Eli Manning and Joe Flacco are not elite QBs by any means, yet they have won three of the past seven Super Bowls.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by saden1

There is a reason why when people talk about Elite QBs they talk about a handful of guys. You either have IT or you don't. If RG3 hasn't figured it out by now that mofo isn't going to now.
Both Wilson and Luck are entering that handful count and I am afraid the boat has sailed on RG3.

not burning Rg3 today?

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by htownskinfan

I'm sick of people bringing up seattle's defense when it comes to Wilson.He was just slightly behind RG3 as a rookie and now he's surpassed him by so far its not funny.
Seattles defense had nothing to do with Wilsons 122 yards rushing,and that last drive where we had Wilson dead to right and he just put the knife in our back,what does Seattle's defense have to do with that? Wilson is a stud,period.
If you want to bring up wins then yes Seattle wins more because of their defense,but that has nothing to do with how good Wilson is.

A lot of people, including those in the media, talk like Seattle wins just because of Wilson.

You put Wilson here in Washington, he probably has the same challenges and doesn't develop as well as he has in Seattle. You put RG3 in Seattle, he probably has more success than he's had here in Washington (though I'm not quite sure he'd win a SB).

Wilson is a very good QB, but I'm not quite ready to anoint him as the next Manning, Brady, Brees type of guy.

[SouperMeister]

Seattle wins because they are a very good all around team in all phases. They may have the best special teams coverage units in the league - I couldn't be more impressed with their punt team gunner. And on kickoffs, Haushka consistently banged the ball through the end zone - we need a guy who can do that. The Redskins average starting field position was the 15 yard line. I would guess Seattle's was close to the 40. Wilson played a tremendous game, but between stellar special teams and defense, he has a huge advantage that Cousins and RG3 have never enjoyed.

[Evilgrin]

Seattle has the best roster in the NFL period, they are well coached also. Wilson is a great player, but that team dynamic is way different. He plays with less pressure then a lot of QBs that know they have to run the whole engine.