The Definitive TE Thread

DynamiteRave · 08-29-2012, 11:52 PM

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Originally Posted by backrow

Agreed! I just don't see TE material.

But as Meks said, he's a monster on teams.

Maybe he can be the new Ade Jimoh.

That Guy · 08-30-2012, 12:53 AM

paul may be gone next year. paulsen is okay, but nothing special, fred is a get pass catcher but horrid blocker. it's a flawed group, but not a bad one. if paul doesn't learn to catch real quick though he'll be 3rd string on bench warming for most of the year.

skinsnut · 08-30-2012, 01:01 AM

There was very little evidence in the preseason that showed that Niles Paul has great potential as a TE. His hands are weak. Paulsen seemed to outperform him from what I remember in catching the ball.

Keeping Niles Paul is all about creating mismatches. But a mismatch cannot make up for drops. No way is he better than Cooley at this point, no way...could he be?...sure...but so could paulsen or any other young TE for that matter. I always prefer a bird in hand though. To me, Niles Paul is a 3rd string TE after paulsen at this point, primarily due to his drops...which is appalling considering he was a WR!

REDSKINS4ever · 08-30-2012, 04:08 AM

The positive thing about Niles Paul is he's very strong. For a tight end, he would be faster than most. OLBs will not be able to stay with him in coverage. That works out as an advantage for the Redskins offense. Mike Shanahan knew what he was doing when he made Paul a TE.

44Deezel · 08-30-2012, 08:24 AM

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Originally Posted by skinsnut

There was very little evidence in the preseason that showed that Niles Paul has great potential as a TE. His hands are weak. Paulsen seemed to outperform him from what I remember in catching the ball.

Keeping Niles Paul is all about creating mismatches. But a mismatch cannot make up for drops. No way is he better than Cooley at this point, no way...could he be?...sure...but so could paulsen or any other young TE for that matter. I always prefer a bird in hand though. To me, Niles Paul is a 3rd string TE after paulsen at this point, primarily due to his drops...which is appalling considering he was a WR!

Agreed. All that weight he put on must have been in his hands. And he was drafted as a Receiver? Carlos Rogers has better hands.

JoeRedskin · 08-30-2012, 08:35 AM

Been watching Paul more closely. He had solid blocks every time I watched last night. Jury is out on his hands, but I have seen enough to think he's no Rod Gardner. Bottom line, I don't think he is nearly as bad at TE as some make him out to be. He's had four preseason games at the position - I suspect he will improve in all aspects of his game at the position as the season rolls on.

Unfortunately, I think Paul suffers from the perception that the team kept him rather than Cooley when, from all reports, Cooley's end here was pretty much a given before camp even started - Paul or no Paul.

Monksdown · 08-30-2012, 08:40 AM

Actions speak louder than words, and if the coaches are comfortable releasing Capt. Chaos in week 4 of the preseason, then they obviously are very comfortable with the overall talent we have at the position.

JoeRedskin · 08-30-2012, 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by skinsnut

There was very little evidence in the preseason that showed that Niles Paul has great potential as a TE. His hands are weak. Paulsen seemed to outperform him from what I remember in catching the ball.

Keeping Niles Paul is all about creating mismatches. But a mismatch cannot make up for drops. No way is he better than Cooley at this point, no way...could he be?...sure...but so could paulsen or any other young TE for that matter. I always prefer a bird in hand though. To me, Niles Paul is a 3rd string TE after paulsen at this point, primarily due to his drops...which is appalling considering he was a WR!

He had a bad game of drops in one preseason game. He said it was b/c, in learning a new position, he got away from his routine of catching 50 balls before practice and 100 after. Last night, he had one drop on three targets (one bounced off a defenders head). Are his hands suspect? maybe. I think, however, they are not nearly as bad as being made out to be and will improve. He is faster and stronger than Cooley and a ST demon. My bet is that he will be, by season's end, a significant contributor.

Lotus · 08-30-2012, 09:44 AM

It can't be denied that Paul has shown suspect hands in the preseason. However, his hands are better than he has shown. Perhaps he is just adapting to his new position and is thinking too much. Methinks that he needs the game to slow down for him. Then he can play more naturally and his hands will improve.

Monkeydad · 08-30-2012, 12:17 PM

Fred Davis is our clear pass-catching TE. Niles Paul had good blocking skills as a WR, so I think that will be his role more than receiving. Blocking is the strength of his game at the TE position.

His speed is exceptional for a TE, so there will be some big plays, but I don't think we coverted Paul to TE to catch passes, it was to block.

He'll do fine in the role.

I'd love to see him return some kicks too. He can just run people over with his size and speed. Look how hard he hits when playing kick coverage. It will be the same on returns, only he'll have the ball in his hands.

That Guy · 08-30-2012, 12:48 PM

for the record, i like paul, i think he's one of the top 53 players we have in camp, so he deserves a spot.

that said, this season, i think he's basically a good special teamer that will throw a block or two for the offense. anything else is a bonus. and maybe he does get it figured out and stud it up (it is his first attempt at TE), but if he doesn't (and we shouldn't expect it just as a generality), he's still going to help the team this year and be a solid player, just maybe not with the breakout performance that was hyped.

The Goat · 08-30-2012, 02:47 PM

I'm surprised there isn't more discussion on Paulsen now that Cooley is gone...

ethat001 · 08-30-2012, 10:38 PM

I agree, Davis should be a beast this year if he stays off the weed.

Any concerns that he hasn't been targeted much in any preseason games?

The Goat · 08-31-2012, 01:23 AM

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Originally Posted by ethat001

I agree, Davis should be a beast this year if he stays off the weed.

Any concerns that he hasn't been targeted much in any preseason games?

Yeah at first take I was worried, but I think more of the theme in pre-season has been getting the ball to the newer guys. That's what I hope anyway.

artmonkforhallofamein07 · 08-31-2012, 02:45 AM

I honestly don't think we should be comparing Cooley vs Paul the real comparison is with Paulson. In the last few years we have seen Paulson keep improving and now he as at a point in which he has surpassed Cooley at that position. Add in the fact that he is a hell of a lot cheaper and they you go, the reason Cooley had lost his job.

From what we have read in the training camp coverage Paul was backing up Davis, meaning there are two different TE positions.

Paul also possess something else a 3rd string TE has to have, great special teams play.

08-30-2012, 12:53 AM	#17
That Guy Living Legend Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: VA Age: 42 Posts: 17,553	Re: The Definitive TE Thread paul may be gone next year. paulsen is okay, but nothing special, fred is a get pass catcher but horrid blocker. it's a flawed group, but not a bad one. if paul doesn't learn to catch real quick though he'll be 3rd string on bench warming for most of the year.

08-30-2012, 01:01 AM	#18
skinsnut Playmaker Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 2,899	Re: The Definitive TE Thread There was very little evidence in the preseason that showed that Niles Paul has great potential as a TE. His hands are weak. Paulsen seemed to outperform him from what I remember in catching the ball. Keeping Niles Paul is all about creating mismatches. But a mismatch cannot make up for drops. No way is he better than Cooley at this point, no way...could he be?...sure...but so could paulsen or any other young TE for that matter. I always prefer a bird in hand though. To me, Niles Paul is a 3rd string TE after paulsen at this point, primarily due to his drops...which is appalling considering he was a WR! __________________ I hate Dallas...Period

08-30-2012, 04:08 AM	#19
REDSKINS4ever Playmaker Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Washington, D.C. Posts: 4,051	Re: The Definitive TE Thread The positive thing about Niles Paul is he's very strong. For a tight end, he would be faster than most. OLBs will not be able to stay with him in coverage. That works out as an advantage for the Redskins offense. Mike Shanahan knew what he was doing when he made Paul a TE.

08-30-2012, 08:35 AM	#21
JoeRedskin Contains football related knowledge Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Second Star On The Right Age: 61 Posts: 10,401	Re: The Definitive TE Thread Been watching Paul more closely. He had solid blocks every time I watched last night. Jury is out on his hands, but I have seen enough to think he's no Rod Gardner. Bottom line, I don't think he is nearly as bad at TE as some make him out to be. He's had four preseason games at the position - I suspect he will improve in all aspects of his game at the position as the season rolls on. Unfortunately, I think Paul suffers from the perception that the team kept him rather than Cooley when, from all reports, Cooley's end here was pretty much a given before camp even started - Paul or no Paul. __________________ Strap it up, hold onto the ball, and let’s go.

08-30-2012, 08:40 AM	#22
Monksdown The Starter Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Warrenton, Virginia Age: 44 Posts: 1,515	Re: The Definitive TE Thread Actions speak louder than words, and if the coaches are comfortable releasing Capt. Chaos in week 4 of the preseason, then they obviously are very comfortable with the overall talent we have at the position.

08-30-2012, 09:44 AM	#24
Lotus Fire Bruce NOW Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Hattiesburg, MS Posts: 11,434	Re: The Definitive TE Thread It can't be denied that Paul has shown suspect hands in the preseason. However, his hands are better than he has shown. Perhaps he is just adapting to his new position and is thinking too much. Methinks that he needs the game to slow down for him. Then he can play more naturally and his hands will improve. __________________ Bruce Allen when in charge alone: 4-12 (.250) Bruce Allen's overall Redskins record : 28-52 (.350) Vinny Cerrato's record when in charge alone: 52-65 (.444) Vinny's overall Redskins record: 62-82 (.430) We won more with Vinny

08-30-2012, 12:17 PM	#25
Monkeydad Living Legend Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: PA Age: 45 Posts: 17,460	Re: The Definitive TE Thread Fred Davis is our clear pass-catching TE. Niles Paul had good blocking skills as a WR, so I think that will be his role more than receiving. Blocking is the strength of his game at the TE position. His speed is exceptional for a TE, so there will be some big plays, but I don't think we coverted Paul to TE to catch passes, it was to block. He'll do fine in the role. I'd love to see him return some kicks too. He can just run people over with his size and speed. Look how hard he hits when playing kick coverage. It will be the same on returns, only he'll have the ball in his hands. __________________ Not sent from a Droid, iPhone, Blackberry or toaster

08-30-2012, 12:48 PM	#26
That Guy Living Legend Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: VA Age: 42 Posts: 17,553	Re: The Definitive TE Thread for the record, i like paul, i think he's one of the top 53 players we have in camp, so he deserves a spot. that said, this season, i think he's basically a good special teamer that will throw a block or two for the offense. anything else is a bonus. and maybe he does get it figured out and stud it up (it is his first attempt at TE), but if he doesn't (and we shouldn't expect it just as a generality), he's still going to help the team this year and be a solid player, just maybe not with the breakout performance that was hyped.

08-30-2012, 02:47 PM	#27
The Goat Pro Bowl Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 5,662	Re: The Definitive TE Thread I'm surprised there isn't more discussion on Paulsen now that Cooley is gone... __________________ 24-34

08-30-2012, 10:38 PM	#28
ethat001 Impact Rookie Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 920	Re: The Definitive TE Thread I agree, Davis should be a beast this year if he stays off the weed. Any concerns that he hasn't been targeted much in any preseason games?

08-31-2012, 02:45 AM	#30
artmonkforhallofamein07 Pro Bowl Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Charleston , SC Posts: 5,001	Re: The Definitive TE Thread I honestly don't think we should be comparing Cooley vs Paul the real comparison is with Paulson. In the last few years we have seen Paulson keep improving and now he as at a point in which he has surpassed Cooley at that position. Add in the fact that he is a hell of a lot cheaper and they you go, the reason Cooley had lost his job. From what we have read in the training camp coverage Paul was backing up Davis, meaning there are two different TE positions. Paul also possess something else a 3rd string TE has to have, great special teams play. __________________ Just win.

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