Redskins Talking Trade with Raiders?

GTripp0012 · 07-30-2012, 12:13 PM

The Raiders won't trade Veldheer, but if we want some of there more recent draft picks (at corner or tackle) remember that they are under new ownership.

What the Raiders need most is a TE with WCO experience. The obvious problem with a trade is that Chris Cooley wouldn't fit in their current cap situation.

FRPLG · 07-30-2012, 12:13 PM

Barnes is a bad fit for our zone-blocking scheme but so was JB what with not being able to move much because of the hip. I'd hate to see Cooley's run end here in a panic-trade for a marginal starting RT who doesn't fit our scheme and a throw-away pick. But then again who is going to start at RT? There should be "better" options.

GTripp0012 · 07-30-2012, 12:24 PM

I think Barnes has been in a zone based blocking scheme since he's been in the league. Jacksonville was kind of on-and-off with zone blocking: they adapted early, then seemed to prefer man, then kind of seemed to make it up as they went.

Barnes isn't going to get much push in the running game no matter what the scheme is. His best skill is his ability to win in pass protection. He's almost certainly going to be a liability off run action whether the Redskins are actually running or faking. I don't think he's a great fit, but he's a better player than Jammal Brown is even when both are healthy.

I mean, if the Redskins PUP/IR Brown, they do have reasonable in house options that should prevent another 2009.

FRPLG · 07-30-2012, 12:33 PM

Just because he's been in a zone scheme doesn't mean he is a good fit. Let's say he is an "odd" fit at best. He doesn't move much and as you said he is a better pass protector because of his size and reach. But that size works against him in a movement based zone scheme like we run. But yes he is a better player than we have.

GTripp0012 · 07-30-2012, 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by FRPLG

Just because he's been in a zone scheme doesn't mean he is a good fit. Let's say he is an "odd" fit at best. He doesn't move much and as you said he is a better pass protector because of his size and reach. But that size works against him in a movement based zone scheme like we run. But yes he is a better player than we have.

I agree with you that Barnes is an odd fit, and that he's also probably not a main target of trade talks with the Raiders.

It's probably more about moving Cooley for a conditional 2013 draft choice. It's weird though, because you have two teams at a draft pick deficit, and both want to acquire picks rather than trade them. Ultimately, I think any deal will end up being player for player.

So if we can pluck a young guy for Cooley who will make this years team and is under contract through at least 2013, we should do it. I wouldn't trade Cooley straight up for Khalif Barnes though. And I say that knowing that Barnes was a better player in 2011 than Cooley was.

mredskins · 07-30-2012, 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by FRPLG

Just because he's been in a zone scheme doesn't mean he is a good fit. Let's say he is an "odd" fit at best. He doesn't move much and as you said he is a better pass protector because of his size and reach. But that size works against him in a movement based zone scheme like we run. But yes he is a better player than we have.

Beggars can't be choosey.

Monkeydad · 07-30-2012, 12:47 PM

I'd love to get Veldheer...I was hoping we'd draft him.

CultBrennan59 · 07-30-2012, 01:24 PM

I would LOVE to get Veldheer, but I know its going to be for someone like Khalif. Cooley straight up would probably be a better trade. I don't see a need for an extra pick.

30gut · 07-30-2012, 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by SmootSmack

2. Bringing in some free agents today (assuming these are OL since it was in response to Jammal Brown's injury)

3. Allen was on the phone with the Raiders his morning talking about a potential trade.

Interesting.......
2.) FA OL/RBs?

3.) Joe Barksdale OL/ Mike Mitchell S

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Originally Posted by SmootSmack

3. How would you all feel about Cooley for Khalif Barnes and a conditional pick?

I would feel that the FO did not properly prioritize addressing the RT with a solid starter earlier during the offseason.
And with Jammal Brown's injury situation that they are now backed into a corner and are forced to trade for a marginal player/stop gap player at RT that was available via FA this offseason without having to trade anything.

SmootSmack · 07-30-2012, 01:33 PM

What FA RT (other than Winston) would you have gone after?

30gut · 07-30-2012, 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by SmootSmack

What FA RT (other than Winston) would you have gone after?

Since you ask...anyone RT that was available that was an upgrade over Jammal Brown, so basically I would have looked at every FA RT.
And I wouldn't have limited the search for RT to FA I would have looked via draft also.

CultBrennan59 · 07-30-2012, 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by 30gut

Interesting.......
2.) FA OL/RBs?

3.) Joe Barksdale OL/ Mike Mitchell S

I would feel that the FO did not properly prioritize addressing the RT with a solid starter earlier during the offseason.
And with Jammal Brown's injury situation that they are now backed into a corner and are forced to trade for a marginal player/stop gap player at RT that was available via FA this offseason without having to trade anything.

I agree that our FO did a horrible job with addressing the RT position this offseason. Jamaal Brown never was healthy here. I really feel like Khalif Barnes, if that is the guy we're going for, is not much of an upgrade over some of the OTs we have now. We are going to be giving away a good player for a medicore one. I would just sign a FA OT now, then wait for the 2nd or 3rd week of cuts and just see which RT pops up that way. We should have just bit the bullet and offered Eric Winston whatever and reworked other guys deals, like Jamaals and trents.

Chico23231 · 07-30-2012, 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by SmootSmack

What FA RT (other than Winston) would you have gone after?

what an appropriate acronym to describe our right tackle issue (JB stinks) as well as the tackle market in the offseason (stunk)

It is a lil bothersome that Shanny is saying our young guys are not ready for the to step up and be full time starters.

12thMan · 07-30-2012, 01:42 PM

I would hate to see Cooley leave under any circumstances. Cooley's only 30 years old. He's no spring chicken, but he still has a lot left in the tank. Fred Davis tweaks an ankle and suddenly you're regretting unloading Cooley. I wouldn't do it.

30gut · 07-30-2012, 01:46 PM

Its an assumption to guess what or if Mike Shanahan/FO is saying about our young guys.
All things considered our young guys were decent last year, the run game actually picked up when Jammal Brown was out.
IIRC Jammal Brown rated out the lowest of our RTs per PFF.
If Brown isn't/can't play then the FO should make move if for no other reason then to get enough bodies/depth at the RT position.

07-30-2012, 12:13 PM	#16
GTripp0012 Living Legend Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Evanston, IL Age: 36 Posts: 15,994	Re: Redskins Talking Trade with Raiders? The Raiders won't trade Veldheer, but if we want some of there more recent draft picks (at corner or tackle) remember that they are under new ownership. What the Raiders need most is a TE with WCO experience. The obvious problem with a trade is that Chris Cooley wouldn't fit in their current cap situation. __________________ according to a source with knowledge of the situation.

07-30-2012, 12:13 PM	#17
FRPLG MVP Join Date: May 2004 Age: 46 Posts: 10,164	Re: Redskins Talking Trade with Raiders? Barnes is a bad fit for our zone-blocking scheme but so was JB what with not being able to move much because of the hip. I'd hate to see Cooley's run end here in a panic-trade for a marginal starting RT who doesn't fit our scheme and a throw-away pick. But then again who is going to start at RT? There should be "better" options.

07-30-2012, 12:24 PM	#18
GTripp0012 Living Legend Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Evanston, IL Age: 36 Posts: 15,994	Re: Redskins Talking Trade with Raiders? I think Barnes has been in a zone based blocking scheme since he's been in the league. Jacksonville was kind of on-and-off with zone blocking: they adapted early, then seemed to prefer man, then kind of seemed to make it up as they went. Barnes isn't going to get much push in the running game no matter what the scheme is. His best skill is his ability to win in pass protection. He's almost certainly going to be a liability off run action whether the Redskins are actually running or faking. I don't think he's a great fit, but he's a better player than Jammal Brown is even when both are healthy. I mean, if the Redskins PUP/IR Brown, they do have reasonable in house options that should prevent another 2009. __________________ according to a source with knowledge of the situation.

07-30-2012, 12:33 PM	#19
FRPLG MVP Join Date: May 2004 Age: 46 Posts: 10,164	Re: Redskins Talking Trade with Raiders? Just because he's been in a zone scheme doesn't mean he is a good fit. Let's say he is an "odd" fit at best. He doesn't move much and as you said he is a better pass protector because of his size and reach. But that size works against him in a movement based zone scheme like we run. But yes he is a better player than we have.

07-30-2012, 12:47 PM	#22
Monkeydad Living Legend Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: PA Age: 45 Posts: 17,460	Re: Redskins Talking Trade with Raiders? I'd love to get Veldheer...I was hoping we'd draft him. __________________ Not sent from a Droid, iPhone, Blackberry or toaster

07-30-2012, 01:24 PM	#23
CultBrennan59 Pro Bowl Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 6,526	Re: Redskins Talking Trade with Raiders? I would LOVE to get Veldheer, but I know its going to be for someone like Khalif. Cooley straight up would probably be a better trade. I don't see a need for an extra pick. __________________ "Anyones better than Madieu Williams"

07-30-2012, 01:33 PM	#25
SmootSmack Uncle Phil Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 45,256	Re: Redskins Talking Trade with Raiders? What FA RT (other than Winston) would you have gone after? __________________ You're So Vain...You Probably Think This Sig Is About You

07-30-2012, 01:42 PM	#29
12thMan MVP Join Date: May 2005 Location: washington, D.C. Posts: 11,460	Re: Redskins Talking Trade with Raiders? I would hate to see Cooley leave under any circumstances. Cooley's only 30 years old. He's no spring chicken, but he still has a lot left in the tank. Fred Davis tweaks an ankle and suddenly you're regretting unloading Cooley. I wouldn't do it.

07-30-2012, 01:46 PM	#30
30gut Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 3,323	Re: Redskins Talking Trade with Raiders? Its an assumption to guess what or if Mike Shanahan/FO is saying about our young guys. All things considered our young guys were decent last year, the run game actually picked up when Jammal Brown was out. IIRC Jammal Brown rated out the lowest of our RTs per PFF. If Brown isn't/can't play then the FO should make move if for no other reason then to get enough bodies/depth at the RT position.

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