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Re: Redskins Talking Trade with Raiders?
The Raiders won't trade Veldheer, but if we want some of there more recent draft picks (at corner or tackle) remember that they are under new ownership.
What the Raiders need most is a TE with WCO experience. The obvious problem with a trade is that Chris Cooley wouldn't fit in their current cap situation.
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Re: Redskins Talking Trade with Raiders?
Barnes is a bad fit for our zone-blocking scheme but so was JB what with not being able to move much because of the hip. I'd hate to see Cooley's run end here in a panic-trade for a marginal starting RT who doesn't fit our scheme and a throw-away pick. But then again who is going to start at RT? There should be "better" options.
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Re: Redskins Talking Trade with Raiders?
I think Barnes has been in a zone based blocking scheme since he's been in the league. Jacksonville was kind of on-and-off with zone blocking: they adapted early, then seemed to prefer man, then kind of seemed to make it up as they went.
Barnes isn't going to get much push in the running game no matter what the scheme is. His best skill is his ability to win in pass protection. He's almost certainly going to be a liability off run action whether the Redskins are actually running or faking. I don't think he's a great fit, but he's a better player than Jammal Brown is even when both are healthy. I mean, if the Redskins PUP/IR Brown, they do have reasonable in house options that should prevent another 2009.
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Re: Redskins Talking Trade with Raiders?
Just because he's been in a zone scheme doesn't mean he is a good fit. Let's say he is an "odd" fit at best. He doesn't move much and as you said he is a better pass protector because of his size and reach. But that size works against him in a movement based zone scheme like we run. But yes he is a better player than we have.
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Re: Redskins Talking Trade with Raiders?
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It's probably more about moving Cooley for a conditional 2013 draft choice. It's weird though, because you have two teams at a draft pick deficit, and both want to acquire picks rather than trade them. Ultimately, I think any deal will end up being player for player. So if we can pluck a young guy for Cooley who will make this years team and is under contract through at least 2013, we should do it. I wouldn't trade Cooley straight up for Khalif Barnes though. And I say that knowing that Barnes was a better player in 2011 than Cooley was.
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Re: Redskins Talking Trade with Raiders?
I'd love to get Veldheer...I was hoping we'd draft him.
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Re: Redskins Talking Trade with Raiders?
I would LOVE to get Veldheer, but I know its going to be for someone like Khalif. Cooley straight up would probably be a better trade. I don't see a need for an extra pick.
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Re: Redskins Talking Trade with Raiders?
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2.) FA OL/RBs? 3.) Joe Barksdale OL/ Mike Mitchell S Quote:
And with Jammal Brown's injury situation that they are now backed into a corner and are forced to trade for a marginal player/stop gap player at RT that was available via FA this offseason without having to trade anything. |
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Re: Redskins Talking Trade with Raiders?
What FA RT (other than Winston) would you have gone after?
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Re: Redskins Talking Trade with Raiders?
Since you ask...anyone RT that was available that was an upgrade over Jammal Brown, so basically I would have looked at every FA RT.
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Re: Redskins Talking Trade with Raiders?
what an appropriate acronym to describe our right tackle issue (JB stinks) as well as the tackle market in the offseason (stunk)
It is a lil bothersome that Shanny is saying our young guys are not ready for the to step up and be full time starters.
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Re: Redskins Talking Trade with Raiders?
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Also, I would have loved to have gotten Winston but it didn't seem like he was willing to negotiate to be here. And I was just throwing Khalif Barnes' name out there, not based on any inside info And I'm totally fine with moving forward without Cooley.
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