Better Rookie Season Stats Griffin or Luck?

[REDSKINS4ever]

Griffin III will have the better statical year because he has a better offensive line and more reliable weapons to throw to.

[SirClintonPortis]

Griffin probably would. We have a pass-happy offense and an Oline entering the critical Year 3 of coagulation in this scheme.

[30gut]

Originally Posted by SirClintonPortis

Griffin probably would. We have a pass-happy offense and an Oline entering the critical Year 3 of coagulation in this scheme.

But, the Colts also feature a pass happy offense with an OL at least on par with our own that has added or is returning more pieces then our OL.

[SBXVII]

The Colts are in rebuild mode and although MS/Allen said we were not in rebuild mode for the last 2 yrs he has purged the team of basically all the old players and brought in new young healthy ones. Also this is the 3rd yr for the team to be in the same system/scheme so the players should know their rolls better and from what I saw of the OL last year it got better as the year went on.

The Colts on the other hand I doubt they stick to the same system/scheme and I'd expect the new HC to be building around his system.

So I believe RG3 will have better stats and for obvious reasons have the better teams. I think it will be like this for a few yrs as well until the Colts get all the pieces to their puzzle they need. However in the long run I think RG3 will have gotten better and by that point both QB's will be on level footing when it comes to stats since by that point RG3 will have had 2-3 yrs to catch up.

[30gut]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

The Colts are in rebuild mode....The Colts on the other hand I doubt they stick to the same system/scheme and I'd expect the new HC to be building around his system.

There is no doubt the Colts are in rebuild mode however that doesn't preclude them from fielding a good offense.
It didn't stop the Panthers offense nor the Bengals offense from being productive in year 1 of a new OC/QB.

So I believe RG3 will have better stats and for obvious reasons have the better teams.

Out of curiosity what are the obvious reason because I honestly don't see any obvious reasons other then schematic continuity.

[Dirtbag59]

Secret Answer C. Thats C as in Chase Daniel


"This whole team, the community, the fans, everybody misses Drew, but we also realize right now we have to move on without him. Is a deal going to get done? Yes, I have faith. But right now it's a great opportunity for myself to go in, show the type of skills I've [gained] ... and really earn the trust of the guys.”

-- Saints QB Chase Daniel

[Dirtbag59]

Funny thing about the offseason is we hear all of these stories, rumors, etc but never seem to go back and check up on them. This got me thinking about the Haslett story from earlier in the offseason.

I Ran Into Jim Haslett and We Talked QB Draft, Manning, Trading Up - Hogs Haven

They are not interested in Matt Flynn. I am eating major crow here. I have written several posts outlining why I was convinced that Matt Flynn was going to be the Redskin's next QB. I am no Nostradamus. When I asked about Flynn, he said he was a below average QB coming out of college, with poor arm strength, balls hitting the ground, etc. The sense around the front office is that he did little to erase that evaluation and that his success against the Lions on January 1, 2012 was more of an anomaly than the norm.

With the exception of Luck and RG111, they have been very disappointed by the QB's in this year's draft class. He didn't elaborate on where he saw these QB's up close (I'm thinking the Senior Bowl.) But contrary to many thoughts, Foles, Tannehill, Moore, Weeden, Wilson, among many others none were impressive. Haslett said at least twice, that they were discouraged by this year's QB class.

They are strongly considering trading up with St. Louis Rams. He said, they have already talked with Jeff Fisher about the possibility. He did not elaborate on the details, other than to say they had talked with Fisher and are serious about getting a good QB. So again, I am eating crow, since I thought the Redskins would trade down for extra picks. They are not trading down, since they do not believe the QB's in the later rounds are talented enough to lead the team. Haslett believes the team is good enough to win, if they just had one of the two talented QB's at top.

The Redskins are also seriously looking at acquiring Peyton Manning. According to Haslett, Allen has some connections with some people in Indianapolis and mentioned discussions surrounding Peyton in a Redskins uniform have already begun behind the scenes.

Rex Grossman might remain as backup. Although Haslett did not commit to this, he did say they liked Rex's knowledge of the offense and his ability to move the ball. Unfortunately, he acknowledged these abilities come with an average of 3-4 costly turnovers per game.

So lets review. IIRC Flynn didn't even come in for a free agent visit. They said many times that they fell in love with the top 2 QB's in the draft though they did seem to be okay with Weeden. They traded up with St. Louis. They contacted Peyton Manning to arrange a visit after trading with St. Louis. And they brought back Sexy Rexy.

Kudos to the Pastor.

[SkinzWin]

Who cares about who will had a better season, has anyone seen the new Dick's Sporting Goods commercial featuring RGIII with Adidas shoes?

RGIII - "What Light Can Do" - adidas adizero sonic - Available only at Dick's Sporting Goods - YouTube

[los panda]

i can dig it

[REDSKINS4ever]

Many NFL analysts are predicting that Andrew Luck will show flashes of greatness as a rookie NFL quarterback, but he's also going to struggle because of the lack of play makers that he has around him. The Colts cleaned house in the offseason in an attempt to start over and build around Luck. They didn't bring back a lot of offensive players who were vital to the team's offensive production in recent seasons.

[30gut]

Originally Posted by REDSKINS4ever

Many NFL analysts are predicting that Andrew Luck will show flashes of greatness as a rookie NFL quarterback, but he's also going to struggle because of the lack of play makers that he has around him. The Colts cleaned house in the offseason in an attempt to start over and build around Luck. They didn't bring back a lot of offensive players who were vital to the team's offensive production in recent seasons.

Sure the Colts lost some pieces but they've also retained and added some pieces.
Lets not forget they retained their best WR in Reggie Wayne a true #1 WR.
They also have Austin Collie returning who had more catches then our #2 and 3 WRs.
They also return their leading rusher in Donald Brown.
Yes, the Colts lost Jacob Tamme and aging/injured Dallas Clark but one could argue that drafting the 2 best TE prospects is an upgrade at that position.
(especially considering the built in chemistry between Fleener and Luck)
The also added Samson Satele at Center, Winston Justice OG/OL and return 2nd round OG/OT Ben Ijalana from injury.
Imo when you really look at the Colts additions and subtractions the only area where they lost without a replacement is Piere Garcon.

[SirClintonPortis]

Originally Posted by 30gut

Sure the Colts lost some pieces but they've also retained and added some pieces.
Lets not forget they retained their best WR in Reggie Wayne a true #1 WR.
They also have Austin Collie returning who had more catches then our #2 and 3 WRs.
They also return their leading rusher in Donald Brown.
Yes, the Colts lost Jacob Tamme and aging/injured Dallas Clark but one could argue that drafting the 2 best TE prospects is an upgrade at that position.
(especially considering the built in chemistry between Fleener and Luck)
The also added Samson Satele at Center, Winston Justice OG/OL and return 2nd round OG/OT Ben Ijalana from injury.
Imo when you really look at the Colts additions and subtractions the only area where they lost without a replacement is Piere Garcon.

At the very least, I suspect small sample size might be overstating Donald Brown's "prowess" measure used here, which is YPC. One 80 yard run is the difference between him being a 4.2 YPC guy and a 4.8 YPC guy.

Wayne is definitely more established than any of our guys.
Collie is questionable, because he got targets, but he didn't get a lot of yards.
Justice is also questionable. Yes, he's better than what he was earlier in his career, but is he really even that good still?

[30gut]

Originally Posted by SirClintonPortis

At the very least, I suspect small sample size might be overstating Donald Brown's "prowess" measure used here, which is YPC. One 80 yard run is the difference between him being a 4.2 YPC guy and a 4.8 YPC guy.

To be clear where have I touted Brown's 'prowess' or used his YPC to suggest something about his ability?

My point was that the Colts running game is on par with our own and posted the stats of both lead backs.
The same sample size and YPC issues that you ding Brown on are equally true for our own backs (Helu and Royster).

I don't see how these statistical quibbles makes the Colts running game inferior to our own, which seems to be your suggestion?

Wayne is definitely more established than any of our guys.
Collie is questionable, because he got targets, but he didn't get a lot of yards.
Justice is also questionable. es, he's better than what he was earlier in his career, but is he really even that good still?

Sure Collie is questionable but by the same token so are Morgan and Hankerson.
They're all complimentary players.
But the Colts have a true #1 WR and a couple good TEs throw in some complimentary WRs (Collie, Hilton?) its a good enough unit to field a producitve passing offense.
Its not unlike the pieces/forumula of the Patriots and Panthers passing offenses.
The point is the Colts passing game isn't as talented depleted as people suggest.

Sure Justice is questionable but again if we're being objective Lichtensteiger and Jammal Brown would certainly be questionable as well.
And Justice was the least of their OL additions/improvements.

If we're going take a critical look at their talent then we should also be objective about our own talent.

[Dirtbag59]

This should help RG3 in his quest to outduel Luck
NFL - Rookie adjustments over, expect leap from Jake Locker, others - ESPN

Leonard Hankerson, WR, Redskins
I thought Hankerson was just about to really get it going last year when a hip injury derailed his season. While the Redskins went out and made several moves at wide receiver, I think Hankerson could put up big numbers as a down-the-field threat in Mike Shanahan's offense. He's a bigger target, something this offense lacks otherwise, outside of tight end Fred Davis.

[skinster]

Griffin will be my favorite player of all time (sorry sean...rip)...how can I say Luck when this question is so open ended?