T.O. Thoughts

CrazyCanuck · 02-07-2005, 05:57 PM

O ya, as for TO, I hate the guy, but he was really solid yesterday. Him and Westbrook were the only weapons (but we knew that already).

JoeRedskin · 02-07-2005, 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by firstdown

THis has nothing to do with black or white. It has to do with his showboat TO show. TO is a great player but he likes to showboat at every chance he can get. The media assumed this was TO drawing attention to himself as he has done so frequently in the past. If he wants all the hype he shouldn't whin when the media makes this assumption if its fair or not. After watching the game I would have to say he wanted to win and help his team. Farve on the other hand just goes about his business and does not draw the attention to himself. Using Farve as a comparrison for how the media treated him was way off the mark two totaly different personalities.

I agree. First - TO is a helluva a player who deserves the acclaim he gets for being a great receiver. As he has pointed out, he does not get into trouble outside the lines. His teammates (Eagle teammates anyway) seem to like him. And playing as well as he did in the SB was truly an amazing physical feat.

With that said and IMO - The problem is that Owens is so full of himself that he considers anything less than complete adoration to be an insult or disrespectful.

Perhaps, if TO stopped loving TO so much (apparently his website say's something along the lines of "I love me sum me") and stopped making inane statements about how great he is (the "whole God healed me to prove so I could great to prove how great he is" BS made me want to puke) - Maybe, just maybe, he could shut up long enough to let others do his talking for him. At this point, however, his long history of disrespect towards his opponents and his need for absolute devotion from the media have probably poisoned the well so that he will never be able to be just "a great receiver".

His complete lack of humility makes it impossible for any amount of praise to be satisfactory to him.

Just a thought - whenever he has been shut down, has he ever given credit to his opponents? I honestly don't know the answer - I can't remember it ever happening but I am not saying it hasn't. I am betting he is pretty much incapable of doing so.

MTK · 02-07-2005, 06:01 PM

I agree 110% with what TO said, if that was someone like Favre that did that the media would definitely be eating it up.

Instead it's TO and he had to deal with people doubting what his motivations for playing were. I gained a ton of respect for TO yesterday.

saden1 · 02-07-2005, 06:02 PM

WTF? This has nothing to do with race. A lot of people can't stand TO because he is an obnoxious, vain individual and quite a showboat. Still, what he did yesterday was just shy of amazing. TO works hard and he wants to win. I respect him for that. Without him the game would have been a blowout. Mr. Flinchall and Stinkston would have defiantly stunk up the joint.

JoeRedskin · 02-07-2005, 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk72

I agree 110% with what TO said, if that was someone like Favre that did that the media would definitely be eating it up.

Instead it's TO and he had to deal with people doubting what his motivations for playing were. I gained a ton of respect for TO yesterday.

Yeah, if it had been Farve, the media would have been eating it up. BUT, at least part of the reason for that is that Farve, generally, has never been so arrogant as to not give credit to teammates or opponents and has never flinched from taking the blame when he deserved it.

Owens gets his motivations doubted because of his past behavior. His showboating activities and "look at me!!!" style do not evidence an "I am just trying to help the team" type of athlete. Rather, they, quite naturally, create the impression of an athlete who is more concerned with himself than the team.

If he is doubted, then it is because his past actions have built the chain of doubters link by link. (with apologies to Dickens).

PSUskinsfan11 · 02-07-2005, 06:22 PM

I RESPECT T.O. for playing the way he did yesterday but the whole race issue is awful. If Farve was acting like a piece of shit all the time and then played with the injuries and deaths he went through he would not be praised as much as he has been. Farve is a class guy so the media embraces it when he does things like that where as no one cares about an asshole without the super bowl vistory. Just like to add to whoever said no redskin on the roster has played like a "warrior" Fred Smoot playing with a borken sternum, when he was puking on the sidelines after plays because of the pain that is pretty damn "warrior" like to me especially someone of his size.

JoeRedskin · 02-07-2005, 06:30 PM

As to Skins warriors - Didn't Coles pop a dislocated finger back into its socket and then go out and play. Nobody found out until later 'cause he didn't want to make a big deal about it and didn't want to be taken out of the game.

And just for some reference, Jack Youngblood's comment on Owens injury was something like "6 weeks? Shoot, you could recover from an amputation in that time."

firstdown · 02-07-2005, 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk72

I agree 110% with what TO said, if that was someone like Favre that did that the media would definitely be eating it up.

Instead it's TO and he had to deal with people doubting what his motivations for playing were. I gained a ton of respect for TO yesterday.

His past is the only reason people doupted his motivations. I have always respect the mans tallent now I respect his heart to play and win.

itvnetop · 02-07-2005, 06:35 PM

TO has always impressed me with his play, desire to win, and work ethic. His antics on the field (showboating, dancing, etc) shouldn't command as much attention as it does- not everyone has the same personality and the league is much more interesting with him in it. The NFL may say that it's bad for football, but they're laughing their way to to the bank with all publicity he garners.

He may be a cocky and arrogant guy on the field, but I've never once heard a negative thing about him off the field. In an era where professional players are in the middle of murder scenes, drug deals, and sexual assaults, why is TO the poster boy for being a "bad boy"? Because he's not setting an example for "good sportsmanship"? I think the league has bigger fish to fry than a guy with funny dances.

firstdown · 02-07-2005, 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

As to Skins warriors - Didn't Coles pop a dislocated finger back into its socket and then go out and play. Nobody found out until later 'cause he didn't want to make a big deal about it and didn't want to be taken out of the game.

And just for some reference, Jack Youngblood's comment on Owens injury was something like "6 weeks? Shoot, you could recover from an amputation in that time."

I remember a game Darrell Green ran to the sidelines after a play held up his hand and and a finger was pointing backwards. The coaching staff popped it back into place and I don,t think he missed a play.

bedlamVR · 02-07-2005, 07:32 PM

S.C. - any player for any team would have moved heaven and earth to play in the superbowl . I think your glass half empty approch to the Redskin is getting a little old and your disparaging opinion of our roster is getting disrespectful when you say you cannot think of any player wanting to play as much as T.O. . This year alone you have Coles playing with dislocated fingers, his toe problems, you have Thomas comming back from injury for a team no where near the playoffs and it is not just the Redskins last year the browns had one of thier QBs playing with a broken leg who just didn't want to come off the field and replaced they finished worse than us last year record wise.

T.O. is bitching and whinning because he is not being refered to as a warrior like Farve because he came back to play pretty ineffectivly throughout he was covered by a third string rookie for most of the game from a broken leg 7 weeks earlier. Not taking anything away from his recouperative abilities and his desire to play in possibly the biggest game of any players life but i have to say huh ? A warrior asks for no praise, never searches for glory expects nothing but to give his best and that is why T.O isn't refered to as a warrior and it is nothing to do with him being black .. it is to do with him being a showboating egomaniac in the press.

RedskinRat · 02-07-2005, 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by sportscurmudgeon

Posters on The Warpath love to refer to various Redskins' players as "warriors". What Terrell Owens did yesterday in the Super Bowl is definitely "warrior like". That ought to be a measuring stick for any player in the league to be identified as a "warrior" no matter what uniform he is wearing at the time.

I am trying to recall any Redskin player on the current roster who has done anything so stunning as what I saw yesterday from T.O. I can't think of one at the moment.

Smoot.

Monk-Fan · 02-07-2005, 08:03 PM

I have to say that TO really showed a warriors spirit out there last night, although i dont like him he did play well. As far as the race card goes you cant dismiss it as not being a factor to some degree. NFL fans look at him and think "Typical black man", its sad people still think like that but that is the reality. He is 100% correct in making the comparison between him and Favre. If Favre was cocky the media would label him as confident and a fierce competitor that is able to back up what he says. That is the simple truth.

saden1 · 02-07-2005, 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by bedlamVR

S.C. - any player for any team would have moved heaven and earth to play in the superbowl . I think your glass half empty approch to the Redskin is getting a little old and your disparaging opinion of our roster is getting disrespectful when you say you cannot think of any player wanting to play as much as T.O. . This year alone you have Coles playing with dislocated fingers, his toe problems, you have Thomas comming back from injury for a team no where near the playoffs and it is not just the Redskins last year the browns had one of thier QBs playing with a broken leg who just didn't want to come off the field and replaced they finished worse than us last year record wise.

LOL….that’s all I’ve got to say.

Gmanc711 · 02-07-2005, 08:19 PM

I agree with what T.O. said, 100%. He is the sole reason they are saying these things, however. If he didnt act like a clown all the time, people would be giving him much more credit. I deinftley respect what he did over the past two weeks, and I agree with his comments, just to awnser the question.

02-07-2005, 08:19 PM	#30
Gmanc711 Thank You, Sean. Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Gaithersburg, MD Age: 39 Posts: 7,506	I agree with what T.O. said, 100%. He is the sole reason they are saying these things, however. If he didnt act like a clown all the time, people would be giving him much more credit. I deinftley respect what he did over the past two weeks, and I agree with his comments, just to awnser the question. __________________ #21

02-07-2005, 05:57 PM	#16
CrazyCanuck Serenity Now Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Canada Posts: 2,008	O ya, as for TO, I hate the guy, but he was really solid yesterday. Him and Westbrook were the only weapons (but we knew that already).

02-07-2005, 06:01 PM	#18
MTK \m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: NY Age: 52 Posts: 99,464	I agree 110% with what TO said, if that was someone like Favre that did that the media would definitely be eating it up. Instead it's TO and he had to deal with people doubting what his motivations for playing were. I gained a ton of respect for TO yesterday.

02-07-2005, 06:02 PM	#19
saden1 MVP Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Seattle Age: 45 Posts: 10,069	WTF? This has nothing to do with race. A lot of people can't stand TO because he is an obnoxious, vain individual and quite a showboat. Still, what he did yesterday was just shy of amazing. TO works hard and he wants to win. I respect him for that. Without him the game would have been a blowout. Mr. Flinchall and Stinkston would have defiantly stunk up the joint.

02-07-2005, 06:22 PM	#21
PSUskinsfan11 Impact Rookie Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: the port, PA Age: 40 Posts: 692	I RESPECT T.O. for playing the way he did yesterday but the whole race issue is awful. If Farve was acting like a piece of shit all the time and then played with the injuries and deaths he went through he would not be praised as much as he has been. Farve is a class guy so the media embraces it when he does things like that where as no one cares about an asshole without the super bowl vistory. Just like to add to whoever said no redskin on the roster has played like a "warrior" Fred Smoot playing with a borken sternum, when he was puking on the sidelines after plays because of the pain that is pretty damn "warrior" like to me especially someone of his size.

02-07-2005, 06:30 PM	#22
JoeRedskin Contains football related knowledge Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Second Star On The Right Age: 61 Posts: 10,401	As to Skins warriors - Didn't Coles pop a dislocated finger back into its socket and then go out and play. Nobody found out until later 'cause he didn't want to make a big deal about it and didn't want to be taken out of the game. And just for some reference, Jack Youngblood's comment on Owens injury was something like "6 weeks? Shoot, you could recover from an amputation in that time."

02-07-2005, 06:35 PM	#24
itvnetop Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Los Angeles, CA Age: 47 Posts: 3,007	TO has always impressed me with his play, desire to win, and work ethic. His antics on the field (showboating, dancing, etc) shouldn't command as much attention as it does- not everyone has the same personality and the league is much more interesting with him in it. The NFL may say that it's bad for football, but they're laughing their way to to the bank with all publicity he garners. He may be a cocky and arrogant guy on the field, but I've never once heard a negative thing about him off the field. In an era where professional players are in the middle of murder scenes, drug deals, and sexual assaults, why is TO the poster boy for being a "bad boy"? Because he's not setting an example for "good sportsmanship"? I think the league has bigger fish to fry than a guy with funny dances.

02-07-2005, 07:32 PM	#26
bedlamVR Special Teams Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 389	S.C. - any player for any team would have moved heaven and earth to play in the superbowl . I think your glass half empty approch to the Redskin is getting a little old and your disparaging opinion of our roster is getting disrespectful when you say you cannot think of any player wanting to play as much as T.O. . This year alone you have Coles playing with dislocated fingers, his toe problems, you have Thomas comming back from injury for a team no where near the playoffs and it is not just the Redskins last year the browns had one of thier QBs playing with a broken leg who just didn't want to come off the field and replaced they finished worse than us last year record wise. T.O. is bitching and whinning because he is not being refered to as a warrior like Farve because he came back to play pretty ineffectivly throughout he was covered by a third string rookie for most of the game from a broken leg 7 weeks earlier. Not taking anything away from his recouperative abilities and his desire to play in possibly the biggest game of any players life but i have to say huh ? A warrior asks for no praise, never searches for glory expects nothing but to give his best and that is why T.O isn't refered to as a warrior and it is nothing to do with him being black .. it is to do with him being a showboating egomaniac in the press.

02-07-2005, 08:03 PM	#28
Monk-Fan Special Teams Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Abilene, Texas Posts: 151	I have to say that TO really showed a warriors spirit out there last night, although i dont like him he did play well. As far as the race card goes you cant dismiss it as not being a factor to some degree. NFL fans look at him and think "Typical black man", its sad people still think like that but that is the reality. He is 100% correct in making the comparison between him and Favre. If Favre was cocky the media would label him as confident and a fierce competitor that is able to back up what he says. That is the simple truth.

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