Offensive Coordinator

MTK · 01-06-2005, 10:07 AM

Didn't Donahue get canned for some questionable draft and cap management methods?

Here are last offseason's noteable hits: Cooley, Taylor, Washington, Springs, Griffin, Portis

Misses: Brunell, Barrow

Not a bad offseason at all in my opinion. 6 impact players, 1 really bad decision in Brunell and I'd grade Barrow incomplete due to injury. So, is personnel really an issue??

FRPLG · 01-06-2005, 10:39 AM

Donahue got canned because York is a bad owner. Given situations where he actually has a chance to be successful he has been.

BossHog · 01-06-2005, 12:53 PM

We can't totally 'scrap the playbook', but I think there's some work to be done with our playcallling. I think any coach wants a guy who he's comfortably familiar with and share the same idealogy.

sportscurmudgeon · 01-06-2005, 01:04 PM

FRPLG:

York is a disaster as an owner; you are right about that.

As for Donahue, you are living in a delusion. He is a disaster as a GM. He was part of the palace coup that got Steve Mariucci fired so they could hire Dennis Erickson. He was the GM that got the 49ers into "salary cap hell". He is the GM that gave a big contract and a big signing bonus to Kevin Barlow because he was the to be the cornerstone of the revamped 49ers. He is the GM that got them Tim Rattay and Ken Dorsey as their QBs. He is the GM that brought back Dana Stubbleifield to the 49ers to anchor their DL.

If Donahue is only 10% as good as you think he is, he'll have a job in the NFL in two weeks. My guess is that the best he gets next year is as a part-time scout.

FRPLG · 01-06-2005, 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by sportscurmudgeon

FRPLG:

York is a disaster as an owner; you are right about that.

As for Donahue, you are living in a delusion. He is a disaster as a GM. He was part of the palace coup that got Steve Mariucci fired so they could hire Dennis Erickson. He was the GM that got the 49ers into "salary cap hell". He is the GM that gave a big contract and a big signing bonus to Kevin Barlow because he was the to be the cornerstone of the revamped 49ers. He is the GM that got them Tim Rattay and Ken Dorsey as their QBs. He is the GM that brought back Dana Stubbleifield to the 49ers to anchor their DL.

If Donahue is only 10% as good as you think he is, he'll have a job in the NFL in two weeks. My guess is that the best he gets next year is as a part-time scout.

You could be right. I was talking based on my past understanding of his abilities. I seem to remember he was a hot commodity out of Buffaloe at one point. But from what I have just now read in several places he may not be all he was cracked up to be. I still think it'd be nice to get a quality talent evaluator in there with Gibbs.

hurrykaine · 01-06-2005, 12:59 PM

This will be my third post on here strongly recommending the demotion or marginalization of Don Breaux as far as playcalling is concerned. We could bring in the USC guy and use him as the Ravens are using Fassel, by giving him a seat in the playcalling committee.

Btw, If Fassel doesn't get a head coaching job next year, he will almost certainly be promoted from senior offensive consultant to Offensive coordinator of the Ravens.

skin4Life28 · 01-06-2005, 01:06 PM

Didn't we have a offensive genius a couple of years ago. I think his name was Spurrier!!! If we were to bring in a whole new philosophy we are setting ourselves back another year. I am sorry college coaches just can't cut it in the NFL. Spurrier, Davis, Carroll, and the list goes on. Add Saban to that list in a couple of years. We are fine with Gibbs we saw at the end of the year he can get it done.

SkinsRock · 01-06-2005, 03:03 PM

We need a great offensive mind to come in and tweak Gibbs offense more towards the players we have and after studying this years tapes, modernize it to today's NFL......Oh wait......we already have one.....his name is Joe Gibbs!!!! Patience! He has now gotten his feet wet, let's see what he comes up with. Personally, I think next years team (offense) will show vast improvement, with few player changes.
The LAST thing this team needs is more change. Keep as many players and coaches as possible and just upgrade a couple positions and fill in the gaps wherever needed. Continuity!!!

Beemnseven · 01-06-2005, 11:49 PM

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Originally Posted by skin4Life28

I am sorry college coaches just can't cut it in the NFL. Spurrier, Davis, Carroll, and the list goes on. Add Saban to that list in a couple of years. We are fine with Gibbs we saw at the end of the year he can get it done.

You mean college coaches like Bill Walsh (Stanford), Jimmie Johnson (Miami), and ... JOE GIBBS !?!? (San Diego State)

Look, there are college successes who turn into failures in the NFL, and there are NFL failures who are still in the NFL. It all depends on the players and the talent you've got. That's it.

Daseal · 01-06-2005, 06:57 PM

Im with Skinsrock, believe it or not. He deserves a chance to have a full offseason with the talent we have to try to put together an offensive game-plan. If I see the same crap I saw this year, then we need to just take that little headset off his head and let him lead the guys. Don't let him touch a playbook from either side of the ball, and start grooming Greg Williams.

Everyone needs time. The Minnesota game, even though it was MN, was encouraging. He showed us new looks and real routes.

shallyshal · 01-06-2005, 11:44 PM

i do not think chow is going anywhere, except as a head coach if he wishes to. the only way he would come to the skins is if gibbs gives him control of the offense the same way he delegated control of the defense to williams. that will NOT happen. too many toes like bugel and breaux's would get stepped on. look for 1 more year of gibbs and co. tinkering with the offense. if this is not a top 15 offense by end of next year, expect gibbs to for after an offensive mind like fassell or chow to turn it over to..

dmek25 · 02-01-2006, 04:43 PM

sometimes doesnt great players make a coach look good?(i.e. chow)

That Guy · 02-01-2006, 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by dmek25

sometimes doesnt great players make a coach look good?(i.e. chow)

yes, but chow is also on a seriously undermanned titan team with much harsher competition every week and no nfl experience.

rookie playcallers generally don't get it done. He might be good in 5 years...

01-06-2005, 01:04 PM	#4
sportscurmudgeon Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 3,159	FRPLG: York is a disaster as an owner; you are right about that. As for Donahue, you are living in a delusion. He is a disaster as a GM. He was part of the palace coup that got Steve Mariucci fired so they could hire Dennis Erickson. He was the GM that got the 49ers into "salary cap hell". He is the GM that gave a big contract and a big signing bonus to Kevin Barlow because he was the to be the cornerstone of the revamped 49ers. He is the GM that got them Tim Rattay and Ken Dorsey as their QBs. He is the GM that brought back Dana Stubbleifield to the 49ers to anchor their DL. If Donahue is only 10% as good as you think he is, he'll have a job in the NFL in two weeks. My guess is that the best he gets next year is as a part-time scout. __________________ The Sports Curmudgeon www.sportscurmudgeon.com But don't get me wrong, I love sports...

02-01-2006, 04:43 PM	#12
dmek25 MVP Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: lancaster,pa Age: 64 Posts: 10,672	Re: Offensive Coordinator sometimes doesnt great players make a coach look good?(i.e. chow)

01-06-2005, 10:07 AM	#1
MTK \m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 53 Posts: 99,913	Didn't Donahue get canned for some questionable draft and cap management methods? Here are last offseason's noteable hits: Cooley, Taylor, Washington, Springs, Griffin, Portis Misses: Brunell, Barrow Not a bad offseason at all in my opinion. 6 impact players, 1 really bad decision in Brunell and I'd grade Barrow incomplete due to injury. So, is personnel really an issue??

01-06-2005, 10:39 AM	#2
FRPLG MVP Join Date: May 2004 Age: 47 Posts: 10,164	Donahue got canned because York is a bad owner. Given situations where he actually has a chance to be successful he has been.

01-06-2005, 12:53 PM	#3
BossHog Registered User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Norfolk, Va Posts: 665	We can't totally 'scrap the playbook', but I think there's some work to be done with our playcallling. I think any coach wants a guy who he's comfortably familiar with and share the same idealogy.

01-06-2005, 12:59 PM	#6
hurrykaine Impact Rookie Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Washington, D.C. Age: 52 Posts: 762	This will be my third post on here strongly recommending the demotion or marginalization of Don Breaux as far as playcalling is concerned. We could bring in the USC guy and use him as the Ravens are using Fassel, by giving him a seat in the playcalling committee. Btw, If Fassel doesn't get a head coaching job next year, he will almost certainly be promoted from senior offensive consultant to Offensive coordinator of the Ravens.

01-06-2005, 01:06 PM	#7
skin4Life28 Special Teams Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Raleigh, NC Age: 39 Posts: 447	Didn't we have a offensive genius a couple of years ago. I think his name was Spurrier!!! If we were to bring in a whole new philosophy we are setting ourselves back another year. I am sorry college coaches just can't cut it in the NFL. Spurrier, Davis, Carroll, and the list goes on. Add Saban to that list in a couple of years. We are fine with Gibbs we saw at the end of the year he can get it done.

01-06-2005, 03:03 PM	#8
SkinsRock Impact Rookie Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Crofton, MD Age: 55 Posts: 907	We need a great offensive mind to come in and tweak Gibbs offense more towards the players we have and after studying this years tapes, modernize it to today's NFL......Oh wait......we already have one.....his name is Joe Gibbs!!!! Patience! He has now gotten his feet wet, let's see what he comes up with. Personally, I think next years team (offense) will show vast improvement, with few player changes. The LAST thing this team needs is more change. Keep as many players and coaches as possible and just upgrade a couple positions and fill in the gaps wherever needed. Continuity!!!

01-06-2005, 06:57 PM	#10
Daseal Puppy Kicker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arlington, Virginia Age: 42 Posts: 8,341	Im with Skinsrock, believe it or not. He deserves a chance to have a full offseason with the talent we have to try to put together an offensive game-plan. If I see the same crap I saw this year, then we need to just take that little headset off his head and let him lead the guys. Don't let him touch a playbook from either side of the ball, and start grooming Greg Williams. Everyone needs time. The Minnesota game, even though it was MN, was encouraging. He showed us new looks and real routes.

01-06-2005, 11:44 PM	#11
shallyshal Special Teams Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 336	i do not think chow is going anywhere, except as a head coach if he wishes to. the only way he would come to the skins is if gibbs gives him control of the offense the same way he delegated control of the defense to williams. that will NOT happen. too many toes like bugel and breaux's would get stepped on. look for 1 more year of gibbs and co. tinkering with the offense. if this is not a top 15 offense by end of next year, expect gibbs to for after an offensive mind like fassell or chow to turn it over to..

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