The Mike Shanaplan

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by redsk1

It's going to be another tough year. Are we going to be worse than last? I don't know. It's difficult to say right now. It's a possibility though. Sometimes you've got to take a step back in order to improve.

How would we be worse? The Defense is already improved and we drafter a WR that will start day 1... Just wait and see my man

[Redskin Warrior]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

How would we be worse? The Defense is already improved and we drafter a WR that will start day 1... Just wait and see my man

I don't think we will be worst I feel we are 2-3 years away from being serious SB contenders. I also agree that we should re-build or re-tool so to speak before getting a franchise QB. I thought Shanny was going to do that last year & keep J.C. I feel ATL, BAL, STL, NYJ success came from that philosophy so NYJ could take there franchise QB to the AFC Championship game twice in a row as a rookie & sophomore. We will be improved but not yet a elite franchise.

[mredskins]

Originally Posted by Redskin Warrior

I don't think we will be worst I feel we are 2-3 years away from being serious SB contenders. I also agree that we should re-build or re-tool so to speak before getting a franchise QB. I thought Shanny was going to do that last year & keep J.C. I feel ATL, BAL, STL, NYJ success came from that philosophy so NYJ could take there franchise QB to the AFC Championship game twice in a row as a rookie & sophomore. We will be improved but not yet a elite franchise.

To be fair also BAL and ATL had off years, either do to injuries or the lost of Vick, that yeild them the high picks to get Flacco and Ryan. So I would not necessarily say those two teams planned for those QB's.

Also, to be fair even further I don't know how much of a franchise QB Flacco is going to end up being. He is really starting to show some rust on his armor and with the Ravens defense getting even older they will need the offense to step up. Flacco has so many weapons and a great/good line and he is still at best average. I think a lot of folks prematurely anointed him the franchise QB simply becasue like everyone else we are desperate for the next great franchise QB. Honestly you can say the same case about Sanchez, he has not done anything to make me go I wish we had him. Now Bradford makes me cry at night "why why could we not have him!".

[Redskin Warrior]

Originally Posted by mredskins

To be fair also BAL and ATL had off years, either do to injuries or the lost of Vick, that yeild them the high picks to get Flacco and Ryan. So I would not necessarily say those two teams planned for those QB's.

Also, to be fair even further I don't know how much of a franchise QB Flacco is going to end up being. He is really starting to show some rust on his armor and with the Ravens defense getting even older they will need the offense to step up. Flacco has so many weapons and a great/good line and he is still at best average. I think a lot of folks prematurely anointed him the franchise QB simply becasue like everyone else we are desperate for the next great franchise QB. Honestly you can say the same case about Sanchez, he has not done anything to make me go I wish we had him. Now Bradford makes me cry at night "why why could we not have him!".

I agree on Flacco & Sanchez being average maybe slighty above average. But there franchises can win games in other ways until they fully develop & learn there craft. Whether its the running game or defense I also think BAL can win and will always be able to win with a Trent Dilfer prototype QB. They really focus on defense more than offense for sure. We aren't good on defense or offense no franchise OL other than Trent we got some work to do. Even if they didn't plan on getting Ryan or Flacco they had the supporting cast the take them to the playoffs with them.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by 30gut

Lets wait and see what happens at the QB position and via FA before we start calling this a re-build because imo a rebuild doesn't begin by giving up draft picks to trade for aging short term starters like McNabb and Jamaal Brown.

The Burgundy and Gold are part of the Mike Shanahan plan, and its the same plan Mike Shanahan has always had he's trying to win.

Its more re-tool/re-fit then re-build.

And you know what? It just might work because imo he's that good of coach.

Have you ever thought that maybe Shan thought we had a better team then we did when he came to DC. Then after last year he realized the need to rebuild.

[Monksdown]

Originally Posted by Redskin Warrior

I don't think we will be worst I feel we are 2-3 years away from being serious SB contenders. I also agree that we should re-build or re-tool so to speak before getting a franchise QB. I thought Shanny was going to do that last year & keep J.C. I feel ATL, BAL, STL, NYJ success came from that philosophy so NYJ could take there franchise QB to the AFC Championship game twice in a row as a rookie & sophomore. We will be improved but not yet a elite franchise.

superbowl contenders is a stretch. i look for consistent playoff appearances. the next step is being the best in the nfc(currently last in our division), and then you get lucky on top of that strong organization to get a superbowl win.

[KI Skins Fan]

This says it all for me:

"What many football fans don’t understand out there is that rebuilding takes longer than one year. Even though there was a lot of depth at the quarterback position in this year’s draft, each quarterback had major flaws.

These include Cam Newton’s off-the-field issues or simplistic offense in college, Jake Locker’s accuracy problems, Blaine Gabbert and Andy Dalton transitioning from a spread offense, Christian Ponder’s durability issues and Ryan Mallett’s character concerns.

With an upcoming draft class of quarterbacks such as Andrew Luck, Matt Barkley and Landry Jones, the Redskins have the potential to upgrade that particular position in the future. Right now, the Redskins filled holes that were an absolute necessity.

Even though it’s going to be a hard season to watch with either Rex Grossman or the unproven John Beck at quarterback, there needs to be a solid foundation set before the team decides to pencil in a young quarterback, and I believe they are taking the cautious steps in doing so."

[redsk1]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

How would we be worse? The Defense is already improved and we drafter a WR that will start day 1... Just wait and see my man

Not saying we will be but it's a possibility. I think like alot of us think, that it will be the 2nd year in MS's system. We've got some young guys coming in..we signed Otogwe..there's a chance we'll be better.

We could be worse though. Moss may not return. Rogers may not. McIntosh may not. We've added some draftees but they're unproven right now. The oline improved toward the end of the year but was horrible most of it. Our QB situation is still up in the air. We've got alot of "ifs."

After Free Agency we'll know alot more.

[GridIron26]

Redsk1, you are correct. It is possible that the team will be worse than last year. And yet I still believe we are heading in right direction. Shanny and Allen are trying to change the culture in Redskins organization and they are succeeding so far. Even Willie Parker said that Redskins organization didn't care about football, all players cared about was partying. The FO are trying to change that by bringing in young hard-working players (see Kerrigan, Hankerson, and etc..). That is what I care about the most.

[Monkeydad]

Worst team ever? Worse than last year?

Not a chance for either.


Our defense is going to be one of the better in the league I predict. The first year of a 3-4 transition is usually ugly.

We drafted some key pieces, picked up others from FA (O.J. Atogwe). We reinforced the CB spot in the draft but I still expect us to make a run at Nnamdi.

Here's my predicted D depth chart:

DEs - Carricker, Alexander/Holliday
NT - A. Bryant/Jenkins
OLBs - Orakpo, Kerrigan
ILBs - Fletcher, Blades/Riley
CB - Hall, Asomugha (if not, Buchanon/B. Thompson)
SS - Landry
FS - Otogwe


That's a solid D to me. If we can get Nnamdi Asomugha, this WILL be the best secondaries not only in the league now, perhaps ever. Hall, Nnamdi, Landry and Atogwe? That's a Madden roster!


On offense, our WR is deep now, as is RB. We just need some FA O-linemen and any QB should have plenty of options and success. I say 8-8 minimum is our record. The middle of the schedule has a nice winning streak set up for us, but it's a tough last month of the season. Thankfully, the Giants' collapse will be going strong.

[Longtimefan]

I don't know of any legitimate argument that can be put forth suggesting we will be worse this year than last. Despite sporting the 31st ranked defense, new system, new coaching staff and terminology the team was still competitive in just about every game.

We won't forget that Monday night debacle against Philadelphia but, aside from that game we had our chances against all our competition. The game against Tampa Bay after coming from behind should have resulted in a win, unfortunately bad fortune prevented it.

Based on the additions already made through the draft and the prospect for further additions once free agency becomes a reality, despite the schedule [which I don't consider friendly] we should improve 2-maybe 3 games over last year. I look for improvement in increments not overnight success and I feel we have the ability to accomplish that. 8-8 or 9-7 would be a tremendous improvement all things considered.

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by redsk1

Not saying we will be but it's a possibility. I think like alot of us think, that it will be the 2nd year in MS's system. We've got some young guys coming in..we signed Otogwe..there's a chance we'll be better.

We could be worse though. Moss may not return. Rogers may not. McIntosh may not. We've added some draftees but they're unproven right now. The oline improved toward the end of the year but was horrible most of it. Our QB situation is still up in the air. We've got alot of "ifs."

After Free Agency we'll know alot more.

We'll be better, not worse, if McIntosh is gone. He's a complete bum who gives us nothing, and has NEVER lived up to the billing when you consider what we gave up to get him. Major whiff by Gibbs and Cerrato.

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Decent read, agree with most of it but I don't see the team taking a big step backwards this year. Let's see how the roster looks after free agency before we consider this a throw away season.

Agreed. I don't see how our defense won't be better than the 31st overall ranked unit of last season, and I'd be surprised if our offense doesn't improve as well. We're probably around a 7 win team, but to say this is the worst team ever assembled in Washington means we'll be around 2 or 3 wins. No way we're that bad.

[Longtimefan]

Originally Posted by GMScud

Agreed. I don't see how our defense won't be better than the 31st overall ranked unit of last season, and I'd be surprised if our offense doesn't improve as well. We're probably around a 7 win team, but to say this is the worst team ever assembled in Washington means we'll be around 2 or 3 wins. No way we're that bad.

Writer was skeptical of attaching too much optimism to his findings.

[Swarley]

Originally Posted by mredskins

Nice analogy! I agree with your post. A lot of folks in this thread are in a bit of denial, be honest this season is going to suck for the Washington Redskins. There is not enough quality FA out there to suddenly make this a winning team.

IMO, it looks like the skins are trying to build a solid team then place then place that franchise QB into the mix much like BAL, NYJ, ATL, etc...

I have seen teams that looked worse in the offseason surprise me when the actual season started. No need to "be honest" since we basically know nothing at this point.