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Drift Reality · 11-26-2004, 01:02 PM

I just don't think Brunell is going anywhere. If we cut him after July 1, we are going to have to eat 6-7 million in dead cap room in 2006, when most of the salaries on the team will escalate.

I am not sure if we would trade Samuels right now, but I don't think its a terrible idea. He hasn't really lived up to his salary.

Gardiner should definately be traded. He has been dropping passes since he got here and I'm just sick of it.

Ramsey is not going to be traded. There is just no way its going to happen.

skinsguy · 11-26-2004, 02:57 PM

I think Ramsey will be our guy at least through next season...I feel before we can write him off, he needs a full season starting under Gibbs' system...unless he plays as bad as Brunell which I don't think any other QB in the league could play that badly...except for Henson (hehe j/k.) The WRs is a question mark right now. Coles is still our best receiver, but he's going to have to be healthy to make an impact. Gardner has the ability if he would just catch the freakin' ball more! Portis is okay, but what I have said before is that we need a big fullback for those 3 and short plays....Portis is best on 1st and 2nd down. Maybe trade LB for a big Bettis size FB and upgrade the OL. Get our injured starters back on the line and bring in some huge guys to reinstall the jumble package that Gibbs used in the 80's (heavy jumble which he got from John Madden.) Face it guys...our offense is going to be mostly ball control..running to set up the pass so we might as well work on getting the OL repaired first....and developing the QBs and WRs that we have right now.

heybigstar · 11-26-2004, 03:11 PM

Lavar is a great player, but is health a concern? it doesnt matter how good you are if you arent on the field.....

MTK · 11-26-2004, 03:30 PM

A drastic overhaul isn't needed.

Minimal changes is what I'd like to see.

offiss · 11-26-2004, 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by skinsguy

I think Ramsey will be our guy at least through next season...I feel before we can write him off, he needs a full season starting under Gibbs' system...unless he plays as bad as Brunell which I don't think any other QB in the league could play that badly...except for Henson (hehe j/k.) The WRs is a question mark right now. Coles is still our best receiver, but he's going to have to be healthy to make an impact. Gardner has the ability if he would just catch the freakin' ball more! Portis is okay, but what I have said before is that we need a big fullback for those 3 and short plays....Portis is best on 1st and 2nd down. Maybe trade LB for a big Bettis size FB and upgrade the OL. Get our injured starters back on the line and bring in some huge guys to reinstall the jumble package that Gibbs used in the 80's (heavy jumble which he got from John Madden.) Face it guys...our offense is going to be mostly ball control..running to set up the pass so we might as well work on getting the OL repaired first....and developing the QBs and WRs that we have right now.

JUMBO package.

Daseal · 11-26-2004, 04:45 PM

Stacey Mack could be cheap.

sportscurmudgeon · 11-26-2004, 11:08 PM

You don't have to trade for Brees if you want him. He will be a free agent. All you have to do is to make him a higher offer than anyone else does.

Would I do that? No.

VTSkins897 · 11-27-2004, 03:13 AM

minimal changes... getting another QB is so clearly foolish that i wouldnt expect anyone to even mention it. unless ramsey gets horribly injured or just stinks it up supremely, there's no reason why he shudnt be at the helm next season. d-line mostly... any other little fixes would be nice. what we need is time with the same crew. that's it.

MTK · 11-27-2004, 11:55 AM

I really wonder if the Chargers will find a way to keep Brees.

They're in a tough spot, Brees has finally become the QB they invisioned when he was drafted and they just spent another high first round pick on Rivers.

It would suck for them to just let Brees walk, maybe they'll try to work some sort of sign and trade deal.

bedlamVR · 11-27-2004, 04:36 PM

Trade LaVar, trade Samuels, trade Gardner, Ramsey, Betts hell why not Jansen and Smoot while you are at it? We cannot go chopping and changing players every year and then scratch our heads as to why we always loose.

Bailey was an abberation he flat out didn't want to be here which is why we used him to trade for Portis and really the teams overal talent didn't go down because of the change but I really hope it is not a yearly thing that we trade franchise players.

offiss · 11-27-2004, 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk72

I really wonder if the Chargers will find a way to keep Brees.

They're in a tough spot, Brees has finally become the QB they invisioned when he was drafted and they just spent another high first round pick on Rivers.

It would suck for them to just let Brees walk, maybe they'll try to work some sort of sign and trade deal.

They are in a tight spot, I don't see why Bree's would do a sign and trade unless he's restricted? If so then probably, if not then why let someone else dictate where you are going to play? Who know's they may deciede to keep Bree's and trade River's, the Charger's will be a serious contender next year with Bree's, can we say that about River's? If Bree's get's this team into the playoff's and perform's well during the post season I wouldn't be surprised if they traded River's especially after his anything but pleasant holdout to start the season, it would also give the charger's a little leverage to sign Bree's, I would think he would like nothing more than to stick it in River's ear, he would also be playing in an offense he know's, and is comfortable running, food for thought.

ChounsMan · 11-28-2004, 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by wolfeskins

no way do the skins trade arrington. he's been the best defensive player the skins have had since he was drafted. as far as him living up to his potential, i think he has, espacially when you consider he hasn't played for the same d-coordinator since he's been here ( 5 in 5 years ). he is also a leader on d, he's a game breaker, he creates turnovers, he's a pro-bowler. the skins d is good without him and their keeping the games close but with arrington the d would be great and possibly winning games rather than just keeping them close. no way do we trade arrington.

Arrington in the game is the difference between recovering a fumble & recovering a fumble for a TD; difference between Mcnabb scrambling out of the pocket & running for 10+ yards or Mcnabb taking a sack for a loss of yards.

The Skins need Arrington healthy & happy

Keep the team intact for another season. Draft smart, & build a better o-line for 05 & then we can see who's the weakest link(s).

Happy Holiday

MTK · 11-28-2004, 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by offiss

They are in a tight spot, I don't see why Bree's would do a sign and trade unless he's restricted? If so then probably, if not then why let someone else dictate where you are going to play? Who know's they may deciede to keep Bree's and trade River's, the Charger's will be a serious contender next year with Bree's, can we say that about River's? If Bree's get's this team into the playoff's and perform's well during the post season I wouldn't be surprised if they traded River's especially after his anything but pleasant holdout to start the season, it would also give the charger's a little leverage to sign Bree's, I would think he would like nothing more than to stick it in River's ear, he would also be playing in an offense he know's, and is comfortable running, food for thought.

If they were to do some sort of sign and trade I'd imagine to make it work Brees himself would have to have some say in where he goes.

The Chargers are in a tough situation, one that I wouldn't want to be in that's for sure.

SkinsRock · 11-29-2004, 03:19 PM

Drew Brees is proof that a little patience can work. He has been in the same system for a few years now, and is finally coming on. Yeah, it has taken longer than they had planned, but who's to say the same type of thing can't happen with Ramsey a year sooner??? No one knows, and the only way to find out is to just let him play.
This team, AND IT'S FANS has to get rid of the quick fix mentality! Our QB situation is fine how it is. We need to have patience. Yeah, it sucks this year, but the whole point in Gibbs coming back was to bring stability, and switching QB's every year is not the way to do that.

That Guy · 11-29-2004, 03:25 PM

QB really isnt that pressing right now... ramsey's not peyton, but he's hitting most of his throws and avoiding bad calls well, so now the focus is back to the Oline blocking and WR drops and lack of seperation... it obvious now that brunell was a problem and that ramsey should have started at least 3 weeks earlier, but its also obvious that gibbs wasn't fibbing when he said there were other problems as well.

11-26-2004, 01:02 PM	#16
Drift Reality Impact Rookie Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 506	I just don't think Brunell is going anywhere. If we cut him after July 1, we are going to have to eat 6-7 million in dead cap room in 2006, when most of the salaries on the team will escalate. I am not sure if we would trade Samuels right now, but I don't think its a terrible idea. He hasn't really lived up to his salary. Gardiner should definately be traded. He has been dropping passes since he got here and I'm just sick of it. Ramsey is not going to be traded. There is just no way its going to happen. __________________ Drift Reality DC City Blog New Influencer

11-26-2004, 11:08 PM	#22
sportscurmudgeon Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 3,159	You don't have to trade for Brees if you want him. He will be a free agent. All you have to do is to make him a higher offer than anyone else does. Would I do that? No. __________________ The Sports Curmudgeon www.sportscurmudgeon.com But don't get me wrong, I love sports...

11-26-2004, 02:57 PM	#17
skinsguy Pro Bowl Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Greensboro, North Carolina Posts: 6,766	I think Ramsey will be our guy at least through next season...I feel before we can write him off, he needs a full season starting under Gibbs' system...unless he plays as bad as Brunell which I don't think any other QB in the league could play that badly...except for Henson (hehe j/k.) The WRs is a question mark right now. Coles is still our best receiver, but he's going to have to be healthy to make an impact. Gardner has the ability if he would just catch the freakin' ball more! Portis is okay, but what I have said before is that we need a big fullback for those 3 and short plays....Portis is best on 1st and 2nd down. Maybe trade LB for a big Bettis size FB and upgrade the OL. Get our injured starters back on the line and bring in some huge guys to reinstall the jumble package that Gibbs used in the 80's (heavy jumble which he got from John Madden.) Face it guys...our offense is going to be mostly ball control..running to set up the pass so we might as well work on getting the OL repaired first....and developing the QBs and WRs that we have right now.

11-26-2004, 03:11 PM	#18
heybigstar Special Teams Join Date: Oct 2004 Age: 40 Posts: 375	Lavar is a great player, but is health a concern? it doesnt matter how good you are if you arent on the field.....

11-26-2004, 03:30 PM	#19
MTK \m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: NY Age: 52 Posts: 99,464	A drastic overhaul isn't needed. Minimal changes is what I'd like to see.

11-26-2004, 04:45 PM	#21
Daseal Puppy Kicker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arlington, Virginia Age: 41 Posts: 8,341	Stacey Mack could be cheap.

11-27-2004, 03:13 AM	#23
VTSkins897 Impact Rookie Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Richmond, VA Age: 41 Posts: 890	minimal changes... getting another QB is so clearly foolish that i wouldnt expect anyone to even mention it. unless ramsey gets horribly injured or just stinks it up supremely, there's no reason why he shudnt be at the helm next season. d-line mostly... any other little fixes would be nice. what we need is time with the same crew. that's it.

11-27-2004, 11:55 AM	#24
MTK \m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: NY Age: 52 Posts: 99,464	I really wonder if the Chargers will find a way to keep Brees. They're in a tough spot, Brees has finally become the QB they invisioned when he was drafted and they just spent another high first round pick on Rivers. It would suck for them to just let Brees walk, maybe they'll try to work some sort of sign and trade deal.

11-27-2004, 04:36 PM	#25
bedlamVR Special Teams Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 389	Trade LaVar, trade Samuels, trade Gardner, Ramsey, Betts hell why not Jansen and Smoot while you are at it? We cannot go chopping and changing players every year and then scratch our heads as to why we always loose. Bailey was an abberation he flat out didn't want to be here which is why we used him to trade for Portis and really the teams overal talent didn't go down because of the change but I really hope it is not a yearly thing that we trade franchise players.

11-29-2004, 03:19 PM	#29
SkinsRock Impact Rookie Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Crofton, MD Age: 55 Posts: 907	Drew Brees is proof that a little patience can work. He has been in the same system for a few years now, and is finally coming on. Yeah, it has taken longer than they had planned, but who's to say the same type of thing can't happen with Ramsey a year sooner??? No one knows, and the only way to find out is to just let him play. This team, AND IT'S FANS has to get rid of the quick fix mentality! Our QB situation is fine how it is. We need to have patience. Yeah, it sucks this year, but the whole point in Gibbs coming back was to bring stability, and switching QB's every year is not the way to do that.

11-29-2004, 03:25 PM	#30
That Guy Living Legend Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: VA Age: 42 Posts: 17,553	QB really isnt that pressing right now... ramsey's not peyton, but he's hitting most of his throws and avoiding bad calls well, so now the focus is back to the Oline blocking and WR drops and lack of seperation... it obvious now that brunell was a problem and that ramsey should have started at least 3 weeks earlier, but its also obvious that gibbs wasn't fibbing when he said there were other problems as well.

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