Jones jabs at Snyder

skinsguy · 03-12-2004, 11:22 AM

I used to be able to say that, but I can't anymore. My girlfriend is from Texas, but no worries guys..she absolutely HATES the Dallas Cowboys. Not saying she's a Redskins fan, but at least she's not all THAT bad!

sportscurmudgeon · 03-12-2004, 12:30 PM

I believe Jones bought the Cowboys in 1989. That would mean he has owned the team 14 years so far and has 3 Super Bowl wins. The team he inherited went 1-15 that first season (remember who they beat on national TV?) and he got them to a Super Bowl win in 1993 if memory serves correctly.

So in his first 5-6 years Jones took a team that was just plain miserable and conned the Vikings into giving him a boatload of draft picks for Herschel Walker and used those picks wisely and built a three time Super Bowl winner which he then proceeded to dismantle and turn into a miserable team that went 5-11 three years in a row.

In Danny Boy's "reign", he took over a team that was knocking on the door of the playoffs and had a boatload of draft picks courtesy of Mike Ditka and he managed to build a team that has been in the playoffs once and just had a miserable 5-11 season. Oh and he builds and dismantles teams every year just to show how much he knows.

I would love to see Jerry Jones get creamed on the sidelines during a game; he is an annoying presence. But in terms of success, Danny Boy can't match what JJ did in his early years of ownership and may just kill the franchise here trying to prove that he can do what JJ did - - only better.

I think this is the fundamental difference. Jerry Jones knows football because he played football - and not just flag football at the annual family reunion. Snyder thinks he knows football because he watched it on TV as a kid and rooted real hard...

cpayne5 · 03-12-2004, 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by sportscurmudgeon

Snyder thinks he knows football because he watched it on TV as a kid and rooted real hard...

That discredits everybody's opinion on here who has never played.

saden1 · 03-12-2004, 01:23 PM

All he said was I've been watching them spend money the past few years. It is an observation and one based on facts. We spend money so does he but on a less frequent basis.

When Snyder Spends money and gets to the playoff then you can ostracize him for his comments but until then JJ has a valid point.

MTK · 03-12-2004, 01:50 PM

I'm not so sure that Jones knows any more than Snyder about football, considering the Boys went through a pretty rough 3 years where they went 5-11 back to back to back, with Jones thinking he could run the show.

He has shown the ability to hire the right guy and step aside. It just took 15 wins in 3 years for him to realize that again.

Looks like Snyder also learned that same lesson by hiring Gibbs.

RedskinRat · 03-12-2004, 01:59 PM

It just adds to the division rivalry, I want to see more of this kind of bitchiness. Hopefully we'll regain our winning ways under Coach Gibbs and we can take a turn yapping it up.

joecrisp · 03-12-2004, 03:13 PM

I think it's a hoot! It's great that he said something condescending about Snyder-- it adds fuel to the rivalry. Stuff like this is part of what makes being a fan of this game so much fun. I'm overjoyed that Joe Gibbs is back, the NFC "BEast" is back, the Redskins-Cowboys rivalry is back, and Jerry Jones is talkin' smack! These are happy times, my friends, happy times!

SkinsRock · 03-12-2004, 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by saden1

All he said was I've been watching them spend money the past few years. It is an observation and one based on facts. We spend money so does he but on a less frequent basis.

When Snyder Spends money and gets to the playoff then you can ostracize him for his comments but until then JJ has a valid point.

I hate to say it, but that's a good point. Until the Skins succeed on the field with their style of off-season spending, the critics will keep at it.
We will prove all of them wrong this year though because of one big difference: Head Coach and Team President Joe Gibbs.

RedskinRat · 03-12-2004, 04:57 PM

Saden1, I don't think that Dan Snyder's actions have been a factor in the teams lack of success. For the past 5 seasons it seems top have been chemistry between team and coach.

sportscurmudgeon · 03-12-2004, 05:25 PM

cpayne5:

If you took what I wrote as a condemnation of the opinion of anyone who never played football seriously, I apologize. That is not what I meant by any stretch of the imagination. I was directly comparing JJ and Danny Boy and observing that the difference in the level of understanding in THOSE TWO HUMAN BEINGS might well be explained by their different involvement in football.

As I said, I'm sorry if I offended you.

RedskinRat:

Coaching has not been stellar in the last 5 years of the Washington Redskins. I certainly agree with that. But that does not exonerate Danny Boy for several reasons:

1. He brought in players that the coaches did not want and then got mad when the players and coaches did not "bond together" and win lots of games. Jeff George is the most egregious example of that and it was Danny Boy who made that happen.

2. He sided with the players in the Norv Turner Rebellion and pulled the plug on a season when the Skins might have made the playoffs (they weren't going anywhere once in the playoffs, but they might have had one more game). Terry Robiske got a whole lot more out of that team in those final games than Norv did, right?

3. He made it clear that Bruce Smith had to get plenty of minutes last year when the coahces were ready to give him only minimal spot duty - because Smith couldn't get the job done anymore. That helped team chemistry!

4. And MOST IMPORTANTLY, it was Danny Boy who hired all these coaches who hired all those staffs who did not get along with the prima donna players that Danny Boy brought in here. Who are you going to blame for the coaching hires?

RedskinRat · 03-12-2004, 05:36 PM

1. He brought in players that the coaches did not want and then got mad when the players and coaches did not "bond together" and win lots of games. Jeff George is the most egregious example of that and it was Danny Boy who made that happen.

If I bring in employees I expect them to work professionally. I think he may have learnt that this isn't the case in Pro Sports.

2. He sided with the players in the Norv Turner Rebellion and pulled the plug on a season when the Skins might have made the playoffs (they weren't going anywhere once in the playoffs, but they might have had one more game). Terry Robiske got a whole lot more out of that team in those final games than Norv did, right?

That was because Turner wasn't his hire and he was desperate to be one of the boys.

3. He made it clear that Bruce Smith had to get plenty of minutes last year when the coahces were ready to give him only minimal spot duty - because Smith couldn't get the job done anymore. That helped team chemistry!

No but it increased $$$, which is why we have the most dollar efficient NFL team.

4. And MOST IMPORTANTLY, it was Danny Boy who hired all these coaches who hired all those staffs who did not get along with the prima donna players that Danny Boy brought in here. Who are you going to blame for the coaching hires?

Vinnie or whoever else has Dan's ear.

Daseal · 03-12-2004, 06:16 PM

Thanks for clarifying sports, I had thought JJ had the Cowboys for longer than he did, but I guess not! There are coaches who have never played a lick of football but are excellent coaches. I'm not saying I was offended, it's just that playing organized football doesn't discredit someone for understanding football things.

Either way, I hope the rivalry gets going again, because we've lost more times than I can count. At least my boy beat them once! VIVA SPURRIER!

saden1 · 03-12-2004, 06:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RedskinRat

Saden1, I don't think that Dan Snyder's actions have been a factor in the teams lack of success. For the past 5 seasons it seems top have been chemistry between team and coach.

What is Snyder accountable for? For that matter, what is any owner, including JJ, accountable for?

Snyder has a great marketing machine but we all know that Skins have the most loyal fans even before Snyder became an owner. He has generated a lot of excitement and extra money in revenue but he hasn't delivered anything to the fans yet. And if, god forbid, Gibbs doesn’t win what do you think will happen? How can one possibly get excited about the Skins after Gibbs? I mean, if the Skins were a publicly traded company the fallout from the fans would surely bankrupt them. The Snyder story will end in chapter 13 unless he chooses to condense the story to 7 chapter.

johnnyredskin63 · 03-12-2004, 07:17 PM

i can't see how jerry jones is able to live down in texas.with all that heat and humidity, i wonder how his face keeps from melting?i thought plastic would melt in high temperatures.

Daseal · 03-12-2004, 10:51 PM

haha, yeah. Jerry Jones does have that whole robotic look down

03-12-2004, 11:22 AM	#16
skinsguy Pro Bowl Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Greensboro, North Carolina Posts: 6,766	I used to be able to say that, but I can't anymore. My girlfriend is from Texas, but no worries guys..she absolutely HATES the Dallas Cowboys. Not saying she's a Redskins fan, but at least she's not all THAT bad! __________________ "Fire Up That Diesel!"

03-12-2004, 12:30 PM	#17
sportscurmudgeon Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 3,159	I believe Jones bought the Cowboys in 1989. That would mean he has owned the team 14 years so far and has 3 Super Bowl wins. The team he inherited went 1-15 that first season (remember who they beat on national TV?) and he got them to a Super Bowl win in 1993 if memory serves correctly. So in his first 5-6 years Jones took a team that was just plain miserable and conned the Vikings into giving him a boatload of draft picks for Herschel Walker and used those picks wisely and built a three time Super Bowl winner which he then proceeded to dismantle and turn into a miserable team that went 5-11 three years in a row. In Danny Boy's "reign", he took over a team that was knocking on the door of the playoffs and had a boatload of draft picks courtesy of Mike Ditka and he managed to build a team that has been in the playoffs once and just had a miserable 5-11 season. Oh and he builds and dismantles teams every year just to show how much he knows. I would love to see Jerry Jones get creamed on the sidelines during a game; he is an annoying presence. But in terms of success, Danny Boy can't match what JJ did in his early years of ownership and may just kill the franchise here trying to prove that he can do what JJ did - - only better. I think this is the fundamental difference. Jerry Jones knows football because he played football - and not just flag football at the annual family reunion. Snyder thinks he knows football because he watched it on TV as a kid and rooted real hard... __________________ The Sports Curmudgeon www.sportscurmudgeon.com But don't get me wrong, I love sports...

03-12-2004, 05:25 PM	#25
sportscurmudgeon Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 3,159	cpayne5: If you took what I wrote as a condemnation of the opinion of anyone who never played football seriously, I apologize. That is not what I meant by any stretch of the imagination. I was directly comparing JJ and Danny Boy and observing that the difference in the level of understanding in THOSE TWO HUMAN BEINGS might well be explained by their different involvement in football. As I said, I'm sorry if I offended you. RedskinRat: Coaching has not been stellar in the last 5 years of the Washington Redskins. I certainly agree with that. But that does not exonerate Danny Boy for several reasons: 1. He brought in players that the coaches did not want and then got mad when the players and coaches did not "bond together" and win lots of games. Jeff George is the most egregious example of that and it was Danny Boy who made that happen. 2. He sided with the players in the Norv Turner Rebellion and pulled the plug on a season when the Skins might have made the playoffs (they weren't going anywhere once in the playoffs, but they might have had one more game). Terry Robiske got a whole lot more out of that team in those final games than Norv did, right? 3. He made it clear that Bruce Smith had to get plenty of minutes last year when the coahces were ready to give him only minimal spot duty - because Smith couldn't get the job done anymore. That helped team chemistry! 4. And MOST IMPORTANTLY, it was Danny Boy who hired all these coaches who hired all those staffs who did not get along with the prima donna players that Danny Boy brought in here. Who are you going to blame for the coaching hires? __________________ The Sports Curmudgeon www.sportscurmudgeon.com But don't get me wrong, I love sports...

03-12-2004, 05:36 PM	#26
RedskinRat Franchise Player Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: I'm in LA, trick! Posts: 8,700	1. He brought in players that the coaches did not want and then got mad when the players and coaches did not "bond together" and win lots of games. Jeff George is the most egregious example of that and it was Danny Boy who made that happen. If I bring in employees I expect them to work professionally. I think he may have learnt that this isn't the case in Pro Sports. 2. He sided with the players in the Norv Turner Rebellion and pulled the plug on a season when the Skins might have made the playoffs (they weren't going anywhere once in the playoffs, but they might have had one more game). Terry Robiske got a whole lot more out of that team in those final games than Norv did, right? That was because Turner wasn't his hire and he was desperate to be one of the boys. 3. He made it clear that Bruce Smith had to get plenty of minutes last year when the coahces were ready to give him only minimal spot duty - because Smith couldn't get the job done anymore. That helped team chemistry! No but it increased $$$, which is why we have the most dollar efficient NFL team. 4. And MOST IMPORTANTLY, it was Danny Boy who hired all these coaches who hired all those staffs who did not get along with the prima donna players that Danny Boy brought in here. Who are you going to blame for the coaching hires? Vinnie or whoever else has Dan's ear. Last edited by joecrisp; 03-12-2004 at 06:44 PM. Reason: text color hard to read

03-12-2004, 07:17 PM	#29
johnnyredskin63 Special Teams Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 203	i can't see how jerry jones is able to live down in texas.with all that heat and humidity, i wonder how his face keeps from melting?i thought plastic would melt in high temperatures. __________________ it's me,bigredskinfan63 bigledzepfan63 "the sea was red and the sky was grey,wondered how tommorow could ever follow today HAIL TO THE REDSKINS always remember ladies and germs-THE COWBOYS SUCK

03-12-2004, 01:23 PM	#19
saden1 MVP Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Seattle Age: 45 Posts: 10,069	All he said was I've been watching them spend money the past few years. It is an observation and one based on facts. We spend money so does he but on a less frequent basis. When Snyder Spends money and gets to the playoff then you can ostracize him for his comments but until then JJ has a valid point.

03-12-2004, 01:50 PM	#20
MTK \m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: NY Age: 52 Posts: 99,464	I'm not so sure that Jones knows any more than Snyder about football, considering the Boys went through a pretty rough 3 years where they went 5-11 back to back to back, with Jones thinking he could run the show. He has shown the ability to hire the right guy and step aside. It just took 15 wins in 3 years for him to realize that again. Looks like Snyder also learned that same lesson by hiring Gibbs.

03-12-2004, 01:59 PM	#21
RedskinRat Franchise Player Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: I'm in LA, trick! Posts: 8,700	It just adds to the division rivalry, I want to see more of this kind of bitchiness. Hopefully we'll regain our winning ways under Coach Gibbs and we can take a turn yapping it up.

03-12-2004, 03:13 PM	#22
joecrisp The Starter Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Charlottesville, VA Age: 48 Posts: 1,501	I think it's a hoot! It's great that he said something condescending about Snyder-- it adds fuel to the rivalry. Stuff like this is part of what makes being a fan of this game so much fun. I'm overjoyed that Joe Gibbs is back, the NFC "BEast" is back, the Redskins-Cowboys rivalry is back, and Jerry Jones is talkin' smack! These are happy times, my friends, happy times!

03-12-2004, 04:57 PM	#24
RedskinRat Franchise Player Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: I'm in LA, trick! Posts: 8,700	Saden1, I don't think that Dan Snyder's actions have been a factor in the teams lack of success. For the past 5 seasons it seems top have been chemistry between team and coach.

03-12-2004, 06:16 PM	#27
Daseal Puppy Kicker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arlington, Virginia Age: 41 Posts: 8,341	Thanks for clarifying sports, I had thought JJ had the Cowboys for longer than he did, but I guess not! There are coaches who have never played a lick of football but are excellent coaches. I'm not saying I was offended, it's just that playing organized football doesn't discredit someone for understanding football things. Either way, I hope the rivalry gets going again, because we've lost more times than I can count. At least my boy beat them once! VIVA SPURRIER!

03-12-2004, 10:51 PM	#30
Daseal Puppy Kicker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arlington, Virginia Age: 41 Posts: 8,341	haha, yeah. Jerry Jones does have that whole robotic look down

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