What's up with the cops these days?

[joethiesmanfan]

It's crazy how the civil libertarians love increases in police power. Tyranny always comes from your local police officer not some philosophical hypothetical struggle between feds and state.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by joethiesmanfan

It's crazy how the civil libertarians love increases in police power. Tyranny always comes from your local police officer not some philosophical hypothetical struggle between feds and state.

What civil libertarian loves increases in police power?

[tryfuhl]

these days? shit, they've outgrown them long ago

it's no longer about providing a safe community, it's about sting operations, revenue, and the like

there are much better ways to help "clean up" societies than to just arrest everybody for everything.. one little misdemeanor can haunt you for a long time, it's a damn shame that the courts and police are out to ruin lives

[Miller101]

Originally Posted by Trample the Elderly

Are the police getting too big for their breeches these days?

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This is already on top of the little girl getting shot.

Also, it sounds more and more like standard police procedure these days to shoot a man's dog upon entering his house.

What Sayeth the Mob?

If a cop did that to my Grandmother and in her house on her bed..................I'd beat the shit out of him or at least try too! Thats damn for sure! What a bunch of pussies too! Tasering a 86 year old! Freakin horrible! I hope those cops go to prison and then get put in General Population. They won't be able to hide behind their badges then!

[SolidSnake84]

Originally Posted by Miller101

If a cop did that to my Grandmother and in her house on her bed..................I'd beat the shit out of him or at least try too! Thats damn for sure! What a bunch of pussies too! Tasering a 86 year old! Freakin horrible! I hope those cops go to prison and then get put in General Population. They won't be able to hide behind their badges then!

I understand your anger, i do. But really what could they have done, when she had a knife and was threating to stab her grandson. Would you have just waited for her to stab somebody, and THEN try and calm her down??

the fact was, she was putting people in a life threatening situation, even if it didnt seem like it. If the police did nothing, the same people would be crying that they didnt do anything, after somebody got stabbed....

[Miller101]

Originally Posted by SolidSnake84

I understand your anger, i do. But really what could they have done, when she had a knife and was threating to stab her grandson. Would you have just waited for her to stab somebody, and THEN try and calm her down??

the fact was, she was putting people in a life threatening situation, even if it didnt seem like it. If the police did nothing, the same people would be crying that they didnt do anything, after somebody got stabbed....

Nevermind Solidsnake. I only read the first couple posts to this and then responded. I didn't see the Police Take on what happened. I only read what the Grand ma and Grandson said. Yeah, if she had a knife and threatened people including the cops then she deserved to get tased!

I guess I should have read all of the posts before I responded..................and I was going to, but I got interrupted! Somone at my job called me! They needed me to do something RIGHT THEN! So, I just responded with reading only the first couple of posts. Next time, I'll make that butthead wait a little longer!

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by Miller101

Nevermind Solidsnake. I only read the first couple posts to this and then responded. I didn't see the Police Take on what happened. I only read what the Grand ma and Grandson said. Yeah, if she had a knife and threatened people including the cops then she deserved to get tased!

I guess I should have read all of the posts before I responded..................and I was going to, but I got interrupted! Somone at my job called me! They needed me to do something RIGHT THEN! So, I just responded with reading only the first couple of posts. Next time, I'll make that butthead wait a little longer!

Wait, you aren't the guy at the phone company that I just yelled at are you???

[CRedskinsRule]

Dallas.Org: El Reno Police - Report on Lona Varner

Here is the police officer's statement on what happened. It still seems like the police could have backed off, and waited for an ambulance to show. If at that time she threatened the EMT then the police could re-assert control over the situation, including use of a taser. I am glad to be out of that field, and away from dealing with domestic incidents. Absolutely the worst and most unstable situations a police officer can get into.

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

Dallas.Org: El Reno Police - Report on Lona Varner

Here is the police officer's statement on what happened. It still seems like the police could have backed off, and waited for an ambulance to show. If at that time she threatened the EMT then the police could re-assert control over the situation, including use of a taser. I am glad to be out of that field, and away from dealing with domestic incidents. Absolutely the worst and most unstable situations a police officer can get into.

Probably true, although from the report, I don't think that would have changed anything and may have increased the problem as you now have more people crowding into the living room area.

For me, the question is what was the "kitchen knife" - was it some 10" long chef's knife or a little paring knife. At the same time, if the report on this woman's actions is correct, she was really acting crazy. Even it was just a small knife, I just don't know how you could immobilize this woman without likely injuring her in some fashion.

Agreed, domestic issues are always the most unstable - and that applies at the legal end of it too (Once, I saw a milliion dollar divorce settlement fall apart over who gets the poodle).

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

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Agreed, domestic issues are always the most unstable - and that applies at the legal end of it too (Once, I saw a milliion dollar divorce settlement fall apart over who gets the poodle).

probably a good thing, who would know how to split a milliion dollars anyway, sounds fisshy to me

[SolidSnake84]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

Dallas.Org: El Reno Police - Report on Lona Varner

Here is the police officer's statement on what happened. It still seems like the police could have backed off, and waited for an ambulance to show. If at that time she threatened the EMT then the police could re-assert control over the situation, including use of a taser. I am glad to be out of that field, and away from dealing with domestic incidents. Absolutely the worst and most unstable situations a police officer can get into.

I think you're right. One of the biggest problem in dealing with the elderly is that there is so many people that feel that because of their age they should get away with anything. And they love to use the excuse that "they don't know what they are doing", like they are a toddler or some brain-dead invalid.

don't think about the woman's age, and you have a clear crime, with an assailant, and a likely victim (the grandson, or other officers)

The woman was threatening police with a kitchen knife, and also threatened to stab her grandson

that reads a heck of a lot different than:

the elderly, senile woman, was threatening police with a kitchen knife, and also threatened to stab her grandson.

I'm tired of these old bastards getting to do whatever they want just because of their age. You can't tell me that they dont know it either and attempt to exploit people. The guy that killed my friend like a rabbit in the road would be in jail for murder today if it wasn't for the fact that he was 88 and on oxygen, and they said he was "too old" to stand trial.

As others have pointed out, tasering was the safest way to disable her. You cant risk breaking her frail ass bones if the officer tried to grab or wrest the knife away from her, and a punch in the face to disarm her would likely kill her. The tazer is usually the safest bet.

[GhettoDogAllStars]

In a free society the cops should never have the right to search you without cause, and then arrest you for refusing. This is grounds for a revolution.

[joethiesmanfan]

Originally Posted by GhettoDogAllStars

In a free society the cops should never have the right to search you without cause, and then arrest you for refusing. This is grounds for a revolution.

like Professor Gates?

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by GhettoDogAllStars

In a free society the cops should never have the right to search you without cause, and then arrest you for refusing. This is grounds for a revolution.

The problem with revolution is that the resulting government is almost always worse. That was not true for the American Revolution, but that may be because the power that was overthrown was very much like an occupier, and we had an existing governmental structure already in place. Usually, like in the French revolution, if the existing government is overthrown, the initial leaders of the revolution are consumed by the groundswell of anger that is released, and more tyrannical and dictatorial elements within the revolution usurp the movement.

[joethiesmanfan]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

The problem with revolution is that the resulting government is almost always worse. That was not true for the American Revolution, but that may be because the power that was overthrown was very much like an occupier, and we had an existing governmental structure already in place. Usually, like in the French revolution, if the existing government is overthrown, the initial leaders of the revolution are consumed by the groundswell of anger that is released, and more tyrannical and dictatorial elements within the revolution usurp the movement.

So you are against over throwing tyranny?