Skins' QB in 2005?

MTK · 11-15-2004, 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Defensewins

I hope Ramsey works out. However you seem to be preparing a ready made excuse in case he does not do well. He has had plenty of time running this offense. All the QB schools this summer, the entire training camp and preseason. Lets not kid ourselves, if Ramsey is not ready by now, it is his own fault. You make it sound like he has not taken snap in months. He gets plenty of work in practice.

I'm not making excuses for him I'm just saying don't be surprised if he struggles a bit. Gibbs put all of his eggs in one basket with Brunell this year, Ramsey has been left on the shelf for the most part.

As for him getting plenty of work in practice I guess that's true if you consider 10% of the snaps and running the practice squad a lot of work.

Let him work as the starter for a few weeks and we'll see where he stands. Something tells me he'll be much better off with more work with the first team.

Gmanc711 · 11-15-2004, 02:41 PM

I'm not going to judge Ramsey until he has had time to start at least four games (Phi,Pit,NYG,Phi), even then I might give him more time cause those are really tough games. Were throwing this guy right into the fire...

MTK · 11-15-2004, 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Gmanc711

I'm not going to judge Ramsey until he has had time to start at least four games (Phi,Pit,NYG,Phi), even then I might give him more time cause those are really tough games. Were throwing this guy right into the fire...

I agree, if we can come out of that stretch with 2 wins it will be a positive.

Ramsey isn't being put in to an ideal situation here. Not only is the schedule tough, but he's not exactly taking over an offense that's firing on all cylinders right now.

Cush · 11-15-2004, 02:51 PM

wait and see how Ramsey does the rest of the way. If he struggles, I would think about Brees, but with so much money sunk into Brunell, I'm not sure they would be able to sign him.

htownskinfan · 11-15-2004, 03:02 PM

I picked Ramsey because there is no other choice,Gibbs Fcked us for next yr and probably the yr after with the money thrown at Brunell,the only way I dont see Ramsey starting is injury or trade

ChounsMan · 11-15-2004, 03:09 PM

I like Patrick, but until he can be consistent I'm not 100% on him being the starter going into next season. Lets see him finish this season strong & I think he builds a stronger case for 05.

Skins fan 44 · 11-15-2004, 03:11 PM

Well not to sound like zack mills or anyone. lol But if we dont get our qb situation fixed by next season we will be having this discussion again this time next year. I mean lets look at the team this year. What has really held us back? Brunell. The offense although maybe complicated it is not rocket science. Look at the others that succeeded in the system. It won Doug Williams a free trip to Disney World. It cant be that difficult.

bedlamVR · 11-15-2004, 03:36 PM

I voted Ramsey but as long as he doesnt stink the place up stop trying to win the game with one pass and forcing ill advised passes he should be okay... He will have teathing problems but if he can get his early form and poise back we will be in the money...

.. Brees is a pipe dream and I am not sure how much this sudden emergence of his form is him maturing into a NFL QB from a promising Rookie or "hey i am in a contrat year get me the hell out of San Diego" i really hope we don't spend any big money going after him.

As for Gibbs throwing the dice on Brunell that is exactly what he did and if Brunell had any aspect of his arm or mobility left he could have been a big pick up but this year he has looked anything but a starting QB in the NFL. It is unfortunate but that is all it is.

Redskins_P · 11-15-2004, 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Skins fan 44

Well not to sound like zack mills or anyone. lol But if we dont get our qb situation fixed by next season we will be having this discussion again this time next year. I mean lets look at the team this year. What has really held us back? Brunell. The offense although maybe complicated it is not rocket science. Look at the others that succeeded in the system. It won Doug Williams a free trip to Disney World. It cant be that difficult.

Doug Williams was a pretty decent QB before the skins signed him. It wasn't just the system...

RedskinRat · 11-15-2004, 03:45 PM

Ramsey will look so much better with focused mentoring from the coaches and reps with the first team. Gibbs had already decided to go with Brunell this season.

jrocx69 · 11-15-2004, 04:25 PM

Ramsey threw for over 200 yards in 3 qtrs. and we actually had a passing game with him in there. if brunell was in there, i think we would have been shut out. Give Ramsey time to work with the first team in practice. And if anyone seen, Ramsey had a few guys drop easy passes,as well, gardner had one deep that he couldnt handle. even though oneal was right there in coverage, ramsey's pass went right into gardners hands. once again, LET ramsey settle with the first team in practice, as well, he is in his first year with a NFL SYSTEM. he is still a true rookie IMO because he was in a college system with tulane and then spurrier.

skinsguy · 11-15-2004, 04:28 PM

If we keep the same QBs next season then Ramsey without a doubt should start and Hasselbeck should be the 2nd string back-up. Whatever happened to Elvis Grbac that was with the 49er's for a little while? I thought he did a decent job. Heck, I know some of you might laugh at me but I liked ol' Gus Ferrotte.

celts32 · 11-15-2004, 04:31 PM

Hopefully Ramsey. Lets just say if it's not Ramsey then they are in deep trouble. They hardly have the cap money for another big QB splash this offseason. Brees is playing his way into millions right now so it won't be him. they may get Kitna cheep but that doesn't excite me. Hopefully, Ramsey will start these last 7 and make progress.

SkinsRock · 11-15-2004, 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by skinsguy

If we keep the same QBs next season then Ramsey without a doubt should start and Hasselbeck should be the 2nd string back-up. Whatever happened to Elvis Grbac that was with the 49er's for a little while? I thought he did a decent job. Heck, I know some of you might laugh at me but I liked ol' Gus Ferrotte.

Elvis Grbac is Jeff George II....remember the Ravens picked him up to replace Dilfer after they won the SB, and he tanked. Brilliant!

I think Ramsey will be the man in DC for a long time.

Beemnseven · 11-15-2004, 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by irish

The skins have a real dillema on their hands and will have to decide whether to get another free-agent QB or draft one and develop him fresh.

Well, if Gibbs drafts a QB next year, I can guarantee you he won't see the field during regular season play in '05. Gibbs was famous for drafting QBs only to have them hold the clipboard for 2-3 years, and that was after one to two years on injured reserve.

Clearly though, things in the NFL today are much different than they were during the 1980's. The rules of free agency and the salary cap will definitely change the way Gibbs "farms" his quarterbacks.

View Poll Results: Who will be the Redskins' starting QB in 2005?
Ramsey	48	75.00%
Brunell	0	0%
Hasselbeck	2	3.13%
Brees	9	14.06%
Kitna	2	3.13%
other	3	4.69%
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11-15-2004, 02:41 PM	#17
Gmanc711 Thank You, Sean. Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Gaithersburg, MD Age: 39 Posts: 7,506	I'm not going to judge Ramsey until he has had time to start at least four games (Phi,Pit,NYG,Phi), even then I might give him more time cause those are really tough games. Were throwing this guy right into the fire... __________________ #21

11-15-2004, 03:09 PM	#21
ChounsMan Special Teams Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Connecticut Age: 53 Posts: 312	I like Patrick, but until he can be consistent I'm not 100% on him being the starter going into next season. Lets see him finish this season strong & I think he builds a stronger case for 05. __________________ Throwing on 4th and inches..!

11-15-2004, 03:11 PM	#22
Skins fan 44 Impact Rookie Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Brazil, IN Age: 54 Posts: 883	Well not to sound like zack mills or anyone. lol But if we dont get our qb situation fixed by next season we will be having this discussion again this time next year. I mean lets look at the team this year. What has really held us back? Brunell. The offense although maybe complicated it is not rocket science. Look at the others that succeeded in the system. It won Doug Williams a free trip to Disney World. It cant be that difficult. __________________ HTTR!

11-15-2004, 02:51 PM	#19
Cush Impact Rookie Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Northern Virginia Age: 47 Posts: 963	wait and see how Ramsey does the rest of the way. If he struggles, I would think about Brees, but with so much money sunk into Brunell, I'm not sure they would be able to sign him.

11-15-2004, 03:02 PM	#20
htownskinfan JUST LIVIN Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: houston,tx Age: 62 Posts: 4,906	I picked Ramsey because there is no other choice,Gibbs Fcked us for next yr and probably the yr after with the money thrown at Brunell,the only way I dont see Ramsey starting is injury or trade

11-15-2004, 03:36 PM	#23
bedlamVR Special Teams Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 389	I voted Ramsey but as long as he doesnt stink the place up stop trying to win the game with one pass and forcing ill advised passes he should be okay... He will have teathing problems but if he can get his early form and poise back we will be in the money... .. Brees is a pipe dream and I am not sure how much this sudden emergence of his form is him maturing into a NFL QB from a promising Rookie or "hey i am in a contrat year get me the hell out of San Diego" i really hope we don't spend any big money going after him. As for Gibbs throwing the dice on Brunell that is exactly what he did and if Brunell had any aspect of his arm or mobility left he could have been a big pick up but this year he has looked anything but a starting QB in the NFL. It is unfortunate but that is all it is.

11-15-2004, 03:45 PM	#25
RedskinRat Franchise Player Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: I'm in LA, trick! Posts: 8,700	Ramsey will look so much better with focused mentoring from the coaches and reps with the first team. Gibbs had already decided to go with Brunell this season.

11-15-2004, 04:25 PM	#26
jrocx69 Special Teams Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Dallas Age: 43 Posts: 461	Ramsey threw for over 200 yards in 3 qtrs. and we actually had a passing game with him in there. if brunell was in there, i think we would have been shut out. Give Ramsey time to work with the first team in practice. And if anyone seen, Ramsey had a few guys drop easy passes,as well, gardner had one deep that he couldnt handle. even though oneal was right there in coverage, ramsey's pass went right into gardners hands. once again, LET ramsey settle with the first team in practice, as well, he is in his first year with a NFL SYSTEM. he is still a true rookie IMO because he was in a college system with tulane and then spurrier.

11-15-2004, 04:28 PM	#27
skinsguy Pro Bowl Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Greensboro, North Carolina Posts: 6,766	If we keep the same QBs next season then Ramsey without a doubt should start and Hasselbeck should be the 2nd string back-up. Whatever happened to Elvis Grbac that was with the 49er's for a little while? I thought he did a decent job. Heck, I know some of you might laugh at me but I liked ol' Gus Ferrotte.

11-15-2004, 04:31 PM	#28
celts32 Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Hackettstown NJ Age: 53 Posts: 2,665	Hopefully Ramsey. Lets just say if it's not Ramsey then they are in deep trouble. They hardly have the cap money for another big QB splash this offseason. Brees is playing his way into millions right now so it won't be him. they may get Kitna cheep but that doesn't excite me. Hopefully, Ramsey will start these last 7 and make progress.

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