CBS Says Worst coaching job: Joe Gibbs

Daseal · 11-11-2004, 07:17 PM

Very few teams have the talent we have and still don't get it done. KC has at least shown flashes of brilliance and Vermeil is scoring points. Gibbs has nothing to do with our defense, and that's our forte. That's why he's the biggest disappointment. I'd like to argue Prisco, but I can't.

The Panthers are definitely a runner up.

wolfeskins · 11-11-2004, 11:35 PM

gibbs hand picked greg williams to run the d, so i would say gibbs has something to do with the d

wolfeskins · 11-11-2004, 11:39 PM

worst coach , in my opinion , dennis erickson out in san fransisco

bedlamVR · 11-12-2004, 02:05 AM

Gibbs is the head coach isn't he? He has a hand in every aspect of the game... it is his attention to detail that puts him appart from the likes of Steve Spurrier and isn't our team playing all together better as as a team ?

Sure there have been errant challenges but there were in other years, sure there is the unbelivable loyalty for Brunell but again rember the turmoil Spurrier prevoked by flip flopping from Weurfel to Mathews to Ramsey to Mathews etc etc.

As a HC he prosides over the No.1 Defence admittedly thanks to Williams, and a top 3 running back in the NFC.... there are worse coaches out there I would really like to know thier reasoning ..

Daseal · 11-12-2004, 07:43 AM

Correct me if I'm wrong, but Gibbs has ALWAYS left his defense alone. He did it with Pettibone, and he's doing it with Williams. He made a GREAT choice in Williams, no one doubts that.

At the point, Gibbs is the biggest disappointment. As far as Erikson, look at the talent difference between these two clubs, and they shouldn't even be comparable.

Gmanc711 · 11-12-2004, 08:07 AM

I defintley see where Daseals coming from. Although hes defintley no where near the worst coach, because people had unrealistic expecations ( including myself ), he could be considered a dissapointement.

LongTimeSkinsFan · 11-12-2004, 08:35 AM

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Originally Posted by cpayne5

Could it be that all these 'experts' are mad at Gibbs because they (just like us) thought he was gonna come in and turn things around instantly?

Probably. And if I remember correctly, I don't believe Gibbs burned the NFL in the first year of his first tenure in DC. When he implements a system it does take time to develop, but when he's done, the results carry on a few years and you have a solid team that is in the playoffs or at least competitive for a long time to come. Hey, if we hit .500 or come close this year, I'll be happy.

MTK · 11-12-2004, 08:40 AM

Let them take their shots while they can.

BrudLee · 11-12-2004, 10:44 AM

How about the recently retired Dave Wannstedt? I understand the loss of Tokey McBonghit was severe, but there was no attempt to reshape the offense to the personnel - ultimately leading to his departure.

wolfeskins · 11-12-2004, 03:28 PM

daseal, i understand that gibbs is dissapointing right know but don't you think thats just because expectations were so high? the skins were not good last year , it's going to take a while for them to get on track. the reason i say erickson is for the simple fact that they realy stink , i beleive the skins would win if they played ( better talent , yes but also a better coach )

skinsguy · 11-12-2004, 05:02 PM

I have to say that whoever said Gibbs is the biggest dissappointment in the coaching department hasn't paid attention to the entire NFL. Gibbs' coaching, IMO, has been solid...it takes time to build a solid team that will CONSISTANTLY play at the level of Super Bowl contenders instead of being flash in the pans such as the Panthers. THAT team has to be the biggest dissappointment after going to the Super Bowl last year. But, like Matty said, let them take their shots while they can because they'll be eating their words soon enough.

Daseal · 11-12-2004, 06:21 PM

Wolfeskins - They were bad for one major reason last year. Their defense. The line didn't play well but our offense put points up nearly every week. Gibbs runs the offense. Therefore he's been the biggest disappointment this year. He has more talent than any other losing team in the league.

They're not saying he's the worst forever. Just right now.

VTSkins897 · 11-12-2004, 06:29 PM

it's b/t gibbs and fox but fox has had horrible injuries to his squad. doubt it would give them more than a W or 2. as for expectations being high, when are they not in DC? i'd dupe myself to thinking the 'skins would win even with deion sanders as HC, it's just the way i think. high hopes and don't get down when they're down. just like george nelson, mr. gibbs will be on top again... this is not the last we've seen of old joe gibbs!

MTK · 11-12-2004, 06:39 PM

Saying the defense was the main problem last year is sugarcoating things a bit, don't ya think daseal?.

The offense averaged 17.9 per game, not exactly a high powered attack. Better than this year though.

Daseal · 11-12-2004, 07:11 PM

Matty, how many games did we go into the 4th quarter with a lead only to have our defense let us down and let them drive the length of the field? Let's compare TOP between this year and last year too.

I think trying to defend Gibbs system right now is sugarcoating it, don't you? I'd love to be scoring 17.9 right now =p

11-12-2004, 08:07 AM	#21
Gmanc711 Thank You, Sean. Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Gaithersburg, MD Age: 39 Posts: 7,506	I defintley see where Daseals coming from. Although hes defintley no where near the worst coach, because people had unrealistic expecations ( including myself ), he could be considered a dissapointement. __________________ #21

11-12-2004, 10:44 AM	#24
BrudLee Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Rehoboth Beach, DE Posts: 3,494	How about the recently retired Dave Wannstedt? I understand the loss of Tokey McBonghit was severe, but there was no attempt to reshape the offense to the personnel - ultimately leading to his departure. __________________ There's nowhere to go but up. Or down. I guess we could stay where we are, too.

11-11-2004, 07:17 PM	#16
Daseal Puppy Kicker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arlington, Virginia Age: 42 Posts: 8,341	Very few teams have the talent we have and still don't get it done. KC has at least shown flashes of brilliance and Vermeil is scoring points. Gibbs has nothing to do with our defense, and that's our forte. That's why he's the biggest disappointment. I'd like to argue Prisco, but I can't. The Panthers are definitely a runner up.

11-11-2004, 11:35 PM	#17
wolfeskins The Starter Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: chesapeake,va. Posts: 2,160	gibbs hand picked greg williams to run the d, so i would say gibbs has something to do with the d

11-11-2004, 11:39 PM	#18
wolfeskins The Starter Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: chesapeake,va. Posts: 2,160	worst coach , in my opinion , dennis erickson out in san fransisco

11-12-2004, 02:05 AM	#19
bedlamVR Special Teams Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 389	Gibbs is the head coach isn't he? He has a hand in every aspect of the game... it is his attention to detail that puts him appart from the likes of Steve Spurrier and isn't our team playing all together better as as a team ? Sure there have been errant challenges but there were in other years, sure there is the unbelivable loyalty for Brunell but again rember the turmoil Spurrier prevoked by flip flopping from Weurfel to Mathews to Ramsey to Mathews etc etc. As a HC he prosides over the No.1 Defence admittedly thanks to Williams, and a top 3 running back in the NFC.... there are worse coaches out there I would really like to know thier reasoning ..

11-12-2004, 07:43 AM	#20
Daseal Puppy Kicker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arlington, Virginia Age: 42 Posts: 8,341	Correct me if I'm wrong, but Gibbs has ALWAYS left his defense alone. He did it with Pettibone, and he's doing it with Williams. He made a GREAT choice in Williams, no one doubts that. At the point, Gibbs is the biggest disappointment. As far as Erikson, look at the talent difference between these two clubs, and they shouldn't even be comparable.

11-12-2004, 08:40 AM	#23
MTK \m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 52 Posts: 99,737	Let them take their shots while they can.

11-12-2004, 03:28 PM	#25
wolfeskins The Starter Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: chesapeake,va. Posts: 2,160	daseal, i understand that gibbs is dissapointing right know but don't you think thats just because expectations were so high? the skins were not good last year , it's going to take a while for them to get on track. the reason i say erickson is for the simple fact that they realy stink , i beleive the skins would win if they played ( better talent , yes but also a better coach )

11-12-2004, 05:02 PM	#26
skinsguy Pro Bowl Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Greensboro, North Carolina Posts: 6,766	I have to say that whoever said Gibbs is the biggest dissappointment in the coaching department hasn't paid attention to the entire NFL. Gibbs' coaching, IMO, has been solid...it takes time to build a solid team that will CONSISTANTLY play at the level of Super Bowl contenders instead of being flash in the pans such as the Panthers. THAT team has to be the biggest dissappointment after going to the Super Bowl last year. But, like Matty said, let them take their shots while they can because they'll be eating their words soon enough.

11-12-2004, 06:21 PM	#27
Daseal Puppy Kicker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arlington, Virginia Age: 42 Posts: 8,341	Wolfeskins - They were bad for one major reason last year. Their defense. The line didn't play well but our offense put points up nearly every week. Gibbs runs the offense. Therefore he's been the biggest disappointment this year. He has more talent than any other losing team in the league. They're not saying he's the worst forever. Just right now.

11-12-2004, 06:29 PM	#28
VTSkins897 Impact Rookie Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Richmond, VA Age: 41 Posts: 890	it's b/t gibbs and fox but fox has had horrible injuries to his squad. doubt it would give them more than a W or 2. as for expectations being high, when are they not in DC? i'd dupe myself to thinking the 'skins would win even with deion sanders as HC, it's just the way i think. high hopes and don't get down when they're down. just like george nelson, mr. gibbs will be on top again... this is not the last we've seen of old joe gibbs!

11-12-2004, 06:39 PM	#29
MTK \m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 52 Posts: 99,737	Saying the defense was the main problem last year is sugarcoating things a bit, don't ya think daseal?. The offense averaged 17.9 per game, not exactly a high powered attack. Better than this year though.

11-12-2004, 07:11 PM	#30
Daseal Puppy Kicker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arlington, Virginia Age: 42 Posts: 8,341	Matty, how many games did we go into the 4th quarter with a lead only to have our defense let us down and let them drive the length of the field? Let's compare TOP between this year and last year too. I think trying to defend Gibbs system right now is sugarcoating it, don't you? I'd love to be scoring 17.9 right now =p

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