So who aren't Redskins on this team?

Gmanc711 · 11-09-2004, 10:51 AM

I Think the most interesting person to this question is going to be Samuels. I mean we have wayyy to much money invested in this guy. While he is still a good tackle, he really holds us down in terms of the salary cap. If he restructures I think he could be a Skin' for a while, but if he dosent, we have to do what we have to do to clear some room up.

I Think as long as Gardner dosent go crazy and demand a boatload of cash, he'll be back. All I really care about is that we keep the core ( Portis, Coles, Jansen, hopefully Ramsey offensivley.... Smoot,Springs, Taylor , Arrington, Washington defensivley, I may have left someone out.) then build around them. If we feild the same team next year (with a different QB hopefully Ramsey ), with maybe a new guy or two from the draft, I'll be happy.

MTK · 11-09-2004, 10:53 AM

Samuels said he would be willing to restructure after this year so we'll see if he holds true to that. If he doesn't we'll have to get rid of him, his cap numbers are going through the roof.

Drift Reality · 11-09-2004, 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Daseal

Hate to tell you guys. But both Brunell and Barrow will be here next year. We can't trade them away, and we can't afford the cap hit we'd take from ditching them.

Rod Gardner isn't going anywhere. He's a solid receiver.

Ok - we definately can't cut Brunell, but I think we can definately take the cap hit for Barrow, can't we?

What kind of SB did he get?

Drift Reality · 11-09-2004, 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by SUNRA

The no-Redskin players are:

1.Chad Morton- One return since he's been here.
2.Mike Barrow-Practice's just enough to be told he's not playing.
3.Darnerian McCants-No special teams experience. Moping about his inactive status.
4.Derrick Dockery-One of the worst offensive lineman I have ever seen.
5.Rod Gardner-Reminds Gibbs of Monk. Maybe the size, definitely not the hands.
6.Ray Brown-I've got 42 reasons why he shouldn't be here.
7.Ladell Betts-never established himself as a threat and is not a great blocker.
8.Rock Cartwright-Doesn't fit in this system. Missing in action most of the year.
9.Mike Sellers- He's got the heart, but something his holding him back.
10.Brian Kozlowski- Emergency backup. In his 12th season, nothing left in the tank.

I agree with all of them except for Dockery and Sellers.

I really think that Dockery is coming along. Sellers, is simply a beast on ST and a great blocker. He really is a Gibbs-type of guy.

Betts is hard to figure out. He blocks like a pussy, but he seems like a serviceable back-up. I don't know.

JoeRedskin · 11-09-2004, 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Drift Reality

Ok - we definately can't cut Brunell, but I think we can definately take the cap hit for Barrow, can't we?

What kind of SB did he get?

8.6 Million over 7 years. Thanks CCanuck!

http://www.thewarpath.net/WarpathRedskinsCap.htm

That Guy · 11-09-2004, 12:09 PM

again, chad sucked cause the blocking sucked... in those early games when betts and thrash returned ball they got 1, 4, and -2 yards... chad also had a 30 and 50 yd return called back... he's not bad, and he helps with a bit of the coaching stuff... the question is whether betts and thrash (and simon) are good enough that we don't really need him, and right now (even though chad is better), i'd say thrash is good enough.

betts isn't going anywhere, he's the best backup RB we have (BY FAR), and he can do special teams...

backrow · 11-09-2004, 01:31 PM

There have been no surprises for me this year. Our poor record is a carry over from the Cerrato-Spurrier regime.

Bad move: HOF Coach Gibbs wanted a rag armed Brunnell. Didn't like the move then, and like it less now!

Good move: Defensive HC Williams wanted and got a lot of additional parts this past year.

Bad move: Signing Barrow.

ST play was bad early, better now.

30 Second Clock for HOF Coach Gibbs. A difficult move.
Helmet speakers. A difficult move for HOF Coach Gibbs.

So, this year is a real struggle!

All of the Ramsey/Brunell talk is not the way HOF Coach Gibbs will do things.
Probably bad move. See first sentence.

But we are still on track for that 8-8 record I predicted. We just have to win more than we lose the rest of the way.

Unfortunately, there have been more bad bounces than good bounces this year. (or more bad moves if you will)

SUNRA · 11-09-2004, 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Drift Reality

I agree with all of them except for Dockery and Sellers.

I really think that Dockery is coming along. Sellers, is simply a beast on ST and a great blocker. He really is a Gibbs-type of guy.

Betts is hard to figure out. He blocks like a pussy, but he seems like a serviceable back-up. I don't know.

I know this is the most playing time Dockery has been given, but when you look at his size 6"6, 345lbs, he should be opening holes for a tank to fit through. Instead, he's getting a lot of false starts and holding penalties. I would really like to see Sellers stay here, especially since he has multiple job assignments.

CrazyCanuck · 11-09-2004, 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Drift Reality

Ok - we definately can't cut Brunell, but I think we can definately take the cap hit for Barrow, can't we?

What kind of SB did he get?

JoeRedskin mentioned $8.6M signing bonus but that's actually what Brunell got.

Barrow only got a $2.5M signing bonus, so if we wanted to cut him next year it would cost us about $2.1M in dead cap. Then again if we keep Barrow next year he'll also count about $2.1M against the cap, so is there any reason to cut him?

JoeRedskin · 11-09-2004, 05:15 PM

oops sorry. I didn't read that carefully. I thought the question was how much was Brunnell's signing bonus. Sorry.

SkinsRock · 11-10-2004, 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by CrazyCanuck

JoeRedskin mentioned $8.6M signing bonus but that's actually what Brunell got.

Barrow only got a $2.5M signing bonus, so if we wanted to cut him next year it would cost us about $2.1M in dead cap. Then again if we keep Barrow next year he'll also count about $2.1M against the cap, so is there any reason to cut him?

How about to pick up a player that can actually play on Sunday??? I know Barrow doesn't have a history of injuries, but it seems that as well a Pierce is playing, they should just put Barrow on IR and re-evaluate in the offseason.

CrazyCanuck · 11-10-2004, 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by SkinsRock

How about to pick up a player that can actually play on Sunday??? I know Barrow doesn't have a history of injuries, but it seems that as well a Pierce is playing, they should just put Barrow on IR and re-evaluate in the offseason.

I agree if the guy can't play then he should be on IR. All I'm saying is that cutting/trading him this year or next will not free up any cap space, only a roster spot.

11-09-2004, 10:51 AM	#16
Gmanc711 Thank You, Sean. Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Gaithersburg, MD Age: 39 Posts: 7,506	I Think the most interesting person to this question is going to be Samuels. I mean we have wayyy to much money invested in this guy. While he is still a good tackle, he really holds us down in terms of the salary cap. If he restructures I think he could be a Skin' for a while, but if he dosent, we have to do what we have to do to clear some room up. I Think as long as Gardner dosent go crazy and demand a boatload of cash, he'll be back. All I really care about is that we keep the core ( Portis, Coles, Jansen, hopefully Ramsey offensivley.... Smoot,Springs, Taylor , Arrington, Washington defensivley, I may have left someone out.) then build around them. If we feild the same team next year (with a different QB hopefully Ramsey ), with maybe a new guy or two from the draft, I'll be happy. __________________ #21

11-09-2004, 01:31 PM	#22
backrow The Starter Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: 36.28 x 76.22 Age: 73 Posts: 1,812	No surprises! There have been no surprises for me this year. Our poor record is a carry over from the Cerrato-Spurrier regime. Bad move: HOF Coach Gibbs wanted a rag armed Brunnell. Didn't like the move then, and like it less now! Good move: Defensive HC Williams wanted and got a lot of additional parts this past year. Bad move: Signing Barrow. ST play was bad early, better now. 30 Second Clock for HOF Coach Gibbs. A difficult move. Helmet speakers. A difficult move for HOF Coach Gibbs. So, this year is a real struggle! All of the Ramsey/Brunell talk is not the way HOF Coach Gibbs will do things. Probably bad move. See first sentence. But we are still on track for that 8-8 record I predicted. We just have to win more than we lose the rest of the way. Unfortunately, there have been more bad bounces than good bounces this year. (or more bad moves if you will) __________________ '37, '42, '83, '88, '92. Championship!

11-09-2004, 10:53 AM	#17
MTK \m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: NY Age: 52 Posts: 99,464	Samuels said he would be willing to restructure after this year so we'll see if he holds true to that. If he doesn't we'll have to get rid of him, his cap numbers are going through the roof.

11-09-2004, 12:09 PM	#21
That Guy Living Legend Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: VA Age: 42 Posts: 17,553	again, chad sucked cause the blocking sucked... in those early games when betts and thrash returned ball they got 1, 4, and -2 yards... chad also had a 30 and 50 yd return called back... he's not bad, and he helps with a bit of the coaching stuff... the question is whether betts and thrash (and simon) are good enough that we don't really need him, and right now (even though chad is better), i'd say thrash is good enough. betts isn't going anywhere, he's the best backup RB we have (BY FAR), and he can do special teams...

11-09-2004, 05:15 PM	#25
JoeRedskin Contains football related knowledge Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Second Star On The Right Age: 61 Posts: 10,401	oops sorry. I didn't read that carefully. I thought the question was how much was Brunnell's signing bonus. Sorry.

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