More dislike of Snyder: John Kent Cooke

freddyg12 · 10-21-2009, 12:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Agreed. As for John Kent Cooke, the stories I've heard from players back in those days was that he was a complete figurehead.

His dad didn't trust him to make any big decisions and kept him out of the loop for the most part. I don't believe we would have been any better off necessarily with John Kent Cooke and if his ownership meant we would have Norv and it would be anything like 1998 then we're definitely better off without him, without both of them.

Kind of funny how Cooke is picking now to speak up.

He knows at least one thing about football; 'piling on!'

freddyg12 · 10-21-2009, 12:59 PM

I remember many saying that the other owners wanted John to get the team, mainly because they thought he'd be a pushover of sorts.

It's not that I wish he'd gotten the team, it's just that the article reinforced my perception of Snyder & the last 10 years. Of course, John KC has an axe to grind, but these days who's going to blame him for calling out Snyder's track record?

irish · 10-21-2009, 01:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cpayne5

Jack Kent Cooke was a smart man. If he had wanted his son to have the team when he died, he would have made that possible. But, he knew his son too well to let that happen.

This is a very interesting article but IMO, Sonny's quote says it all.

Sheriff Gonna Getcha · 10-21-2009, 01:28 PM

I don't know if our team would be playing any better on Sundays, but the franchise would probably look a little different. For one thing, I doubt we would be so reviled by the press. While Al Davis might be the butt of a lot of jokes in the press, most journalists who have met Snyder absolutely detest the man. Davis is mocked for being senile and a bad manager, Snyder is mocked for being an arrogant jerk. That's not based on the team's performance, it's based on personal interactions with the man and tales of how he treated guys like Mike Nolan, Laveranues Coles, and others. Or how Snyder derided Art Modell as someone he wouldn't want to emulate because he's won just one SB ring.

Also, Snyder has "commercialized" (for lack of a better word) the team. This is the guy who tried to charge admission to training camp. Now, Snyder is running a business and he's made the team much more profitable, but I feel like the team is trying to squeeze every little penny out of the fans. He seems to deal with the fans on an arms-length basis.

Maybe Snyder is a good guy and maybe the team's struggles aren't his fault, but most everything I've read about the guy seems to indicate that he's a world class prick. I'm amazed that a guy who has done such a poor job of interacting with the press is a marketing guru.

firstdown · 10-21-2009, 01:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrSpectre

In comparison to Danny, John Kent Cooke was a model of effective ownership.

On the other hand, this would be true of Beulah the Witch.

Well when John was owner his record was 14/17 sticking with a coach with a 49/59 record. DS record is 78/88 which while not great is better then John's record of 14/17. Its real easy when a team fails to come out and point out the problems so it sounds like sour grapes to me. I also don't see how people can say that DS is more interested in making money then having a great football team with all the money he has spent on this team. I think the correct way to look at the past 10 yrs is that Snyder has done a better job at marketing then building a winning team. DS has been willing to spend what ever it takes to try and build a team he has just not gone about it in the correct ways. Thats a big difference then just not carring about the product on the field.

skinsguy · 10-21-2009, 01:43 PM

I just find it interesting that we're hearing from John Kent Cooke now that the 'skins are falling apart. It definitely comes out of the woodwork!

I think football itself has become way too commercialized. It seems like the constant rule changes has changed the game completely.

I always like to give the benefit of the doubt to people I don't know personally, but it's hard to like a guy like Dan Snyder. Seems like the only guy that has ever said anything good about him was Joe Gibbs. Probably because Snyder worshiped Joe. I would love for someone like Joe Gibbs to own the team, because we all know he would hire in the right guys in the right positions and build the team the way it should be built.

skinsfan69 · 10-21-2009, 02:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

I'm not going to defend Snyder at all, he is what he is. But would we be that much better off with John as owner? I'm really not sure. The Redskins as we knew them died with Jack.

I feel for what happened to John, but c'mon, his discontent for Snyder seems to be a cover up for the real issue, the fact his Dad passed him over and made it difficult for him to retain the team.

Um yes we'd be MUCH better off. We'd have a qualified football man running the show, who doesn't undermine the coach and bring in a Bingo caller to run the offense, there never would've been a hiring of a college coach who didn't want to practice when it's cold and raining, there never would've been a hiring of a coach with no OC or HC experience. I could go on and on. Say what you want about Norv but he knows how to run a professional NFL offense. Leader of men? Hell no. But I'd much rather have him as my coach than Zorn.

SmootSmack · 10-21-2009, 02:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Um yes we'd be MUCH better off. We'd have a qualified football man running the show, who doesn't undermine the coach and bring in a Bingo caller to run the offense, there never would've been a hiring of a college coach who didn't want to practice when it's cold and raining, there never would've been a hiring of a coach with no OC or HC experience. I could go on and on. Say what you want about Norv but he knows how to run a professional NFL offense. Leader of men? Hell no. But I'd much rather have him as my coach than Zorn.

You're calling John Kent Cooke a qualified football man? Based on what, being the son of the owner?

Norv is a joke as a head coach. He's no better than Zorn. Chargers won the division last year...at 8-8. He's 2-3 this year.

skinsguy · 10-21-2009, 02:21 PM

I guess one thing John would probably have going for him is that he probably wouldn't have fired Charlie Casserly. Not that he was as great a GM as what BB was, but still worlds apart from Vinny C.

skinsfan69 · 10-21-2009, 02:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

You're calling John Kent Cooke a qualified football man? Based on what, being the son of the owner?

Norv is a joke as a head coach. He's no better than Zorn. Chargers won the division last year...at 8-8. He's 2-3 this year.

No John Cooke was not a qualified football man but neither was his father. That's why Casserly and Bobby B. were here. To handle the football side of things. The only owners that are somewhat football men are Jones, Davis and maybe Richardson.

Let me ask you this...and again I don't think much of Norv as a HC. But what is the problem w/ San Diego? It's their defense. The defense has just been terrible, partly cause of injuries...to Merriman and J. Williams, but some of it is performace based. That's not his side of the ball is it? It's his responsibility cause he's the head man and he'll take the fall for it, but as someone who can run an NFL offense I'll take Norv over almost anyone in the NFL.....and especially Jim Zorn or Steve Spuirrer

SmootSmack · 10-21-2009, 02:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

No John Cooke was not a qualified football man but neither was his father. That's why Casserly and Bobby B. were here. To handle the football side of things. The only owners that are somewhat football men are Jones, Davis and maybe Richardson.

Let me ask you this...and again I don't think much of Norv as a HC. But what is the problem w/ San Diego? It's their defense. The defense has just been terrible, partly cause of injuries...to Merriman and J. Williams, but some of it is performace based. That's not his side of the ball is it? It's his responsibility cause he's the head man and he'll take the fall for it, but as someone who can run an NFL offense I'll take Norv over almost anyone in the NFL.....and especially Jim Zorn or Steve Spuirrer

Fair points on the first paragraph.

As for the second, Norv has made some seriously questionable play calls in recent weeks. Draw to LT on 4th and 2 at the end of the game against the Ravens. Almost the same situation near the goal line the other day, but to Sproles instead.

I think he's a bit overrated as an offensive coordinator. But anyhow, this was mainly about Norv as a head coach in which case I think he's one of the worst.

freddyg12 · 10-21-2009, 02:48 PM

Wow, this has turned into a romancing of the Norvelle era! Never thought I'd see that, things are really bad here when people wish Norv came back.

skinsfan69 · 10-21-2009, 03:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by freddyg12

Wow, this has turned into a romancing of the Norvelle era! Never thought I'd see that, things are really bad here when people wish Norv came back.

I don't think anyone wants Norv Back. I just personally think he can run an offense better than Zorn.

tryfuhl · 10-21-2009, 08:00 PM

Eventually we have to stick with a coach. The coach should show competency of course, but if every coach got canned for 2 bad years we wouldn't have your jimmy johnsons, etc of the nfl world

Daseal · 10-21-2009, 10:50 PM

How are those grapes, John? Sour?

10-21-2009, 12:59 PM	#17
freddyg12 Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 4,540	Re: More dislike of Snyder: John Kent Cooke I remember many saying that the other owners wanted John to get the team, mainly because they thought he'd be a pushover of sorts. It's not that I wish he'd gotten the team, it's just that the article reinforced my perception of Snyder & the last 10 years. Of course, John KC has an axe to grind, but these days who's going to blame him for calling out Snyder's track record?

10-21-2009, 01:28 PM	#19
Sheriff Gonna Getcha Franchise Player Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 45 Posts: 8,317	Re: More dislike of Snyder: John Kent Cooke I don't know if our team would be playing any better on Sundays, but the franchise would probably look a little different. For one thing, I doubt we would be so reviled by the press. While Al Davis might be the butt of a lot of jokes in the press, most journalists who have met Snyder absolutely detest the man. Davis is mocked for being senile and a bad manager, Snyder is mocked for being an arrogant jerk. That's not based on the team's performance, it's based on personal interactions with the man and tales of how he treated guys like Mike Nolan, Laveranues Coles, and others. Or how Snyder derided Art Modell as someone he wouldn't want to emulate because he's won just one SB ring. Also, Snyder has "commercialized" (for lack of a better word) the team. This is the guy who tried to charge admission to training camp. Now, Snyder is running a business and he's made the team much more profitable, but I feel like the team is trying to squeeze every little penny out of the fans. He seems to deal with the fans on an arms-length basis. Maybe Snyder is a good guy and maybe the team's struggles aren't his fault, but most everything I've read about the guy seems to indicate that he's a world class prick. I'm amazed that a guy who has done such a poor job of interacting with the press is a marketing guru.

10-21-2009, 01:43 PM	#21
skinsguy Pro Bowl Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Greensboro, North Carolina Posts: 6,766	Re: More dislike of Snyder: John Kent Cooke I just find it interesting that we're hearing from John Kent Cooke now that the 'skins are falling apart. It definitely comes out of the woodwork! I think football itself has become way too commercialized. It seems like the constant rule changes has changed the game completely. I always like to give the benefit of the doubt to people I don't know personally, but it's hard to like a guy like Dan Snyder. Seems like the only guy that has ever said anything good about him was Joe Gibbs. Probably because Snyder worshiped Joe. I would love for someone like Joe Gibbs to own the team, because we all know he would hire in the right guys in the right positions and build the team the way it should be built. __________________ "Fire Up That Diesel!"

10-21-2009, 02:21 PM	#24
skinsguy Pro Bowl Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Greensboro, North Carolina Posts: 6,766	Re: More dislike of Snyder: John Kent Cooke I guess one thing John would probably have going for him is that he probably wouldn't have fired Charlie Casserly. Not that he was as great a GM as what BB was, but still worlds apart from Vinny C. __________________ "Fire Up That Diesel!"

10-21-2009, 02:48 PM	#27
freddyg12 Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 4,540	Re: More dislike of Snyder: John Kent Cooke Wow, this has turned into a romancing of the Norvelle era! Never thought I'd see that, things are really bad here when people wish Norv came back.

10-21-2009, 08:00 PM	#29
tryfuhl Gamebreaker Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Waldorf, MD Age: 41 Posts: 12,514	Re: More dislike of Snyder: John Kent Cooke Eventually we have to stick with a coach. The coach should show competency of course, but if every coach got canned for 2 bad years we wouldn't have your jimmy johnsons, etc of the nfl world

10-21-2009, 10:50 PM	#30
Daseal Puppy Kicker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arlington, Virginia Age: 41 Posts: 8,341	Re: More dislike of Snyder: John Kent Cooke How are those grapes, John? Sour? __________________ Best. Player. Available.

More dislike of Snyder: John Kent Cooke

Locker Room Main Forum