Zorn On The Hot Seat

[DBUCHANON101]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Skinny Tee,

I'll give you three reasons why Armstrong....er, Zorn is on the hot seat

Mike Smith
Tony Sparano
John Harbaugh

I'll give you 4 more reasons
Bill Cowher
Mike Shanahan
Mike Holmgren
Tony Dungy
Cam Cameron

Well ok thats 5... I see Cam being a hot offseason name if he can keep the Ravens rolling.

[MTK]

Coach Armstrong may be on the hot seat as far as the fans/media go, but all that matters is what Sneeder thinks.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Coach Armstrong may be on the hot seat as far as the fans/media go, but all that matters is what Sneeder thinks.

You think Sneeder would make Blanche the interim head coach?

[MTK]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

You think Sneeder would make Blanche the interim head coach?

Only if we're talking this Blanche

[SouperMeister]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Skinny Tee,

I'll give you three reasons why Armstrong....er, Zorn is on the hot seat

Mike Smith
Tony Sparano
John Harbaugh

And what do all of these coaches have in common? An extremely competent GM and FO. Not to mention team owners who are completely hands off when it comes to personnel matters. Our problems are much greater than Jim Zorn. The FO has been dysfunctional since Snyder fired Casserly.

[BrunellMVP?]

Originally Posted by Lotus

Before I can answer your questions, I need one answered: how do we know that Zorn is on the hot seat?

Our whining or speculation, or the media's whining or speculation, mean nothing on this point. None of us holds the checkbook.

I don't think there is any question that Zorn is on the hot seat. The media and fans alone assure that the seat is hot. Portis is right, the entire team is under pressure as fans are sick of hearing how talented they are and then seeing them underwhelm every week. If the team would say, "you know what? we are doing the best we can with the horses we have" - the fans would redirect their anger at management (GM maybe?) but since its the stance of the organization that all pieces are in place to be a legitimate contender (as we've been told for years) well then its time to put up or shut up. Zorn just happens to be the guy steering the ship right now- fair or not, after about a decade of mediocrity its time for the redskins to stop asking the fans (who they are bleeding dry of cash, undermining by selling excess tickets to brokers, suing, and generally taking for granted) to be patient.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by SouperMeister

And what to all of these coaches have in common? An extremely competent GM and FO. Not to mention team owners who are completely hands off when it comes to personnel matters. Our problems are much greater than Jim Zorn. The FO has been dysfunctional since Snyder fired Casserly.

sigh...here we go again

Dolphins are 0-2 by the way, for those keeping count

[BrunellMVP?]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

sigh...here we go again

Dolphins are 0-2 by the way, for those keeping count

Fair point, but the falcons and colts are both very good teams. That said, the skins lost to a very good team and beat a very bad one as well. If you agree that no FO upgrades are needed, then we should expect to win now. they've had time to acquire the players/pieces, now its time to see it work. To me, I think we've been patient, and i think its reasonable for fans to open their eyes to the fact that its been a long long long time since we've been a legitimate Superbowl contender, yet each year we all buy into the pomp and circumstance that has scarred the Danny's reign. I believe that the reaction of the fans is simply one of a frustrated consumer- enough is enough. Either you are good, or you aren't, but please stop telling us that the emperor is fully clothed when he's clearly naked.

[artmonkforhallofamein07]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

sigh...here we go again

Dolphins are 0-2 by the way, for those keeping count

SS what is the relevence of the dolphins being 0-2? Just asking bud.

I agree with the above post. We have been told that we have the talent. I personally am sick of mediocrity. This team hasn't really been a winner since the last superbowl year 1991. For a team with every resource availble to its disposal we should be contenders every year.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by BrunellMVP?

Fair point, but the falcons and colts are both very good teams. That said, the skins lost to a very good team and beat a very bad one as well. If you agree that no FO upgrades are needed, then we should expect to win now. they've had time to acquire the players/pieces, now its time to see it work. To me, I think we've been patient, and i think its reasonable for fans to open their eyes to the fact that its been a long long long time since we've been a legitimate Superbowl contender, yet each year we all buy into the pomp and circumstance that has scarred the Danny's reign. I believe that the reaction of the fans is simply one of a frustrated consumer- enough is enough. Either you are good, or you aren't, but please stop telling us that the emperor is fully clothed when he's clearly naked.

Well, we weren't so great for 8 years before Snyder showed up. But what I was "sighing" about was more about the ever so popular "team owners who are completely hands off when it comes to personnel matters". A pretty common statement that is based on basically nothing but speculation.

Dolphins' owners are new this year by the way

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by artmonkforhallofamein07

SS what is the relevence of the dolphins being 0-2? Just asking bud.

I agree with the above post. We have been told that we have the talent. I personally am sick of mediocrity. This team hasn't really been a winner since the last superbowl year 1991. For a team with every resource availble to its disposal we should be contenders every year.

Well, at the end of last season a lot of people were saying "look out, the Dolphins are a perennial contender now. Look at what Parcells has done turning from 1-15 to 11-5." To which I believe my response was "It's been one year, let's see what happens in 2009" And now they're 0-2. Will they still be good in the long run? Perhaps. I think they have a lot of question marks. But they are 0-2.

But it was also to sort of point out that one reason Zorn is on the hot seat is because fortunes can change from bad to good in an incident (and then back to 0-2 again), and the expectation is just about any coach should be able to jump right in and be successful. Not a fair expectation, to be sure.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Coach Armstrong may be on the hot seat as far as the fans/media go, but all that matters is what Sneeder thinks.

Thank you.

Danny may be perfectly happy with JZ for all we know and his voice is the only one that counts. I'm not saying that he is happy with Zorn, I'm saying that we don't know. Thus all of this "hot seat" speculation is a pointless waste of time until Danny Boy chimes in.

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Well, we weren't so great for 8 years before Snyder showed up. But what I was "sighing" about was more about the ever so popular "team owners who are completely hands off when it comes to personnel matters". A pretty common statement that is based on basically nothing but speculation.

Dolphins' owners are new this year by the way

And Arthur Blank is not what one would call 'hands off'. Anyone else remember him wheeling Mike Vick out onto the field a few years back in Atlanta? Blank spends just slightly less time on the sidelines during the game than Jerry Jones.

[Longtimefan]

Originally Posted by firstdown

for your answer review the past two weeks of endless post about Zorn.

"What Type Of Head Coach Does This Tean Need"?......63 replies thus far.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

sigh...here we go again

Dolphins are 0-2 by the way, for those keeping count

Really and the Pats, Stlrs, Cowboys, Phil, and many other teams have the same records as the Skins. All this talk is really getting old. I could see it if we where 8 to 10 games into the season with a bad record but not after 2 games.