Another Vinny Special: Deangelo Hall

T.O.Killa · 09-13-2009, 08:00 PM

The defense allowed one touchdown and two field goals. The offense, kept them on the field the entire first half

dmek25 · 09-13-2009, 08:02 PM

to me, today's loss was all about play calling. did we throw on first down at all?

WaldSkins · 09-13-2009, 08:14 PM

Does anyone think that maybe our defensive strategy is the problem. You can't blame Hall, Smoot, or whomever for poor coverage when we give them a free 10 yards to start their routes. Notice how Moss was held today to two catches for six yards. Do you think Corey Webster is better then Hall or Rogers? The Giants stop you at the line preventing receivers from getting a good jump. There more physical up front. With as good of a defensive line that we have we shouldn't be giving teams space. Force them to beat us, let's stop playing prevent.

What do you guys think?

GTripp0012 · 09-13-2009, 08:17 PM

Webster is a lot better that Hall. I personally don't think he's better that Rogers, but you could entertain that argument as well.

The scheme has been a problem since October of last year, but I don't know what Blache could have necessarily done different today. Hall and Smoot will get ragdolled if you have them press anyone. Hall's just a fringe No. 2 corner and Smoot shouldn't be in the league.

wilsowilso · 09-13-2009, 08:20 PM

If they keep playing Landry 40 yards behind the line of scrimmage I am going to freak out!

FRPLG · 09-13-2009, 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by T.O.Killa

The defense allowed one touchdown and two field goals. The offense, kept them on the field the entire first half

No no no no no no no no.

Our offense did no such thing. we didn't have like 6 three and outs. Our D couldn't get themselves off the field and constantly killed our field position. The lack of offensive production at no point can alleviate the fact that our D played for crap today.

GTripp0012 · 09-13-2009, 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by T.O.Killa

The defense allowed one touchdown and two field goals. The offense, kept them on the field the entire first half

Well, now it's obvious that you don't know that the Redskins were in the white jerseys. Our quarterback isn't the white squirrely guy.

SFREDSKIN · 09-13-2009, 08:25 PM

Thanks for starting this thread. Hall is the biggest con-man in the NFL he has duped not 1 not 2 but 3 NFL teams into lots of cash. I will give him credit for that and the Redskins FO should have know better not to sign him. They should have kept Springs and gotten another free agent or 2. Case closed, this guy SUCKS!! Never liked him never will.

CooleyFanOV · 09-13-2009, 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by dmek25

to me, today's loss was all about play calling. did we throw on first down at all?

I couldn't agree more. This was probably the toughest game that we'll see all season. Blache coached scared he's afraid of giving up the big play, that's why we see all the soft coverages...and Zorn is not sure if he has a run first team or a pass first team...he's just not confident....

Lotus · 09-13-2009, 08:27 PM

It is not just Hall, although he was not good. The entire secondary should be called out. Often we had people in the right spots but the tackling was terrible. I hope they spend every minute this week in tackling drills.

GTripp0012 · 09-13-2009, 08:28 PM

They also specifically avoided Rogers after the first play and managed not to get hurt at all.

Paintrain · 09-13-2009, 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by wilsowilso

If they keep playing Landry 40 yards behind the line of scrimmage I am going to freak out!

Amen, one of my biggest gripes with the Grilliams/Blache regime. You draft safeties in the top 10 and then play them 20 yards from the ball. Idiocy.

As for Hall, he did what he excels at, playing off of the man, reacting to the ball in zone/combo coverage, well. That's what allows him to be in position to make plays on the ball like he did today. He struggles in press man, back to the QB stuff, as he did in Oakland. He completely whiffed on the Smith jam in the 4th quarter which is why he got beat. His attempt at a tackle on the Manningham TD was only slightly less pathetic than Smoot's attempt. I'm nowhere close to writing Hall off, he's going to give up plays, but he's going to make them too.

SFREDSKIN · 09-13-2009, 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Lotus

It is not just Hall, although he was not good. The entire secondary should be called out. Often we had people in the right spots but the tackling was terrible. I hope they spend every minute this week in tackling drills.

Let's see Hall in action:

Burned a few times in critical plays, could not tackle Manningham, when he intercepted the ball instead of getting out of bounds he tried to hotdog his way to the endzone risking a fumble (luckily he got pushed out of bounds), personal foul on ST play. This guy is going to kill us like he has other teams. Landry also committed a personal foul going after Jacobs, I'm sick of all this "me" first players.

70Chip · 09-13-2009, 08:34 PM

My main beef with Hall is that he suffers from Deion Sanders syndrome, that is he will not throw his body into a tackle. He's not physical. His coverage is also suspect, but the main problem is his tackling which has the air of "Olay!" about it. To wit: the Manningham TD.

Lotus · 09-13-2009, 09:05 PM

^^If Smoot could tackle, Manningham would not even have had a first down, much less a touchdown.

09-13-2009, 08:00 PM	#16
T.O.Killa The Starter Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Berlin, MD Posts: 2,061	Re: Another Vinny Special: Deangelo Hall The defense allowed one touchdown and two field goals. The offense, kept them on the field the entire first half

09-13-2009, 08:02 PM	#17
dmek25 MVP Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: lancaster,pa Age: 63 Posts: 10,672	Re: Another Vinny Special: Deangelo Hall to me, today's loss was all about play calling. did we throw on first down at all? __________________ "It's better to be quiet and thought a fool than to open ones mouth and remove all doubt." courtesy of 53fan

09-13-2009, 08:14 PM	#18
WaldSkins Playmaker Join Date: May 2007 Location: Harrisburg, PA Age: 41 Posts: 2,726	Re: Another Vinny Special: Deangelo Hall Does anyone think that maybe our defensive strategy is the problem. You can't blame Hall, Smoot, or whomever for poor coverage when we give them a free 10 yards to start their routes. Notice how Moss was held today to two catches for six yards. Do you think Corey Webster is better then Hall or Rogers? The Giants stop you at the line preventing receivers from getting a good jump. There more physical up front. With as good of a defensive line that we have we shouldn't be giving teams space. Force them to beat us, let's stop playing prevent. What do you guys think? __________________ "I would change that around, Jesus isn't Cutler. I guarantee you Jesus couldnt thread the ball like Jay does."-Monksdown

09-13-2009, 08:17 PM	#19
GTripp0012 Living Legend Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Evanston, IL Age: 37 Posts: 15,994	Re: Another Vinny Special: Deangelo Hall Webster is a lot better that Hall. I personally don't think he's better that Rogers, but you could entertain that argument as well. The scheme has been a problem since October of last year, but I don't know what Blache could have necessarily done different today. Hall and Smoot will get ragdolled if you have them press anyone. Hall's just a fringe No. 2 corner and Smoot shouldn't be in the league. __________________ according to a source with knowledge of the situation.

09-13-2009, 08:20 PM	#20
wilsowilso Registered User Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Los Angeles Age: 51 Posts: 2,841	Re: Another Vinny Special: Deangelo Hall If they keep playing Landry 40 yards behind the line of scrimmage I am going to freak out!

09-13-2009, 08:25 PM	#23
SFREDSKIN Living Legend Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Pacifica, CA Posts: 15,164	Re: Another Vinny Special: Deangelo Hall Thanks for starting this thread. Hall is the biggest con-man in the NFL he has duped not 1 not 2 but 3 NFL teams into lots of cash. I will give him credit for that and the Redskins FO should have know better not to sign him. They should have kept Springs and gotten another free agent or 2. Case closed, this guy SUCKS!! Never liked him never will. __________________ Joe Gibbs- The best coach of all time, Lombardi trophy should be renamed Gibbs. Art Monk- Art was like an OL playing WR, doing the dirty work and not getting the glory. Darrell Green- Best DB ever. Purveyor of fine Filth

09-13-2009, 08:27 PM	#25
Lotus Fire Bruce NOW Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Hattiesburg, MS Posts: 11,434	Re: Another Vinny Special: Deangelo Hall It is not just Hall, although he was not good. The entire secondary should be called out. Often we had people in the right spots but the tackling was terrible. I hope they spend every minute this week in tackling drills. __________________ Bruce Allen when in charge alone: 4-12 (.250) Bruce Allen's overall Redskins record : 28-52 (.350) Vinny Cerrato's record when in charge alone: 52-65 (.444) Vinny's overall Redskins record: 62-82 (.430) We won more with Vinny

09-13-2009, 08:28 PM	#26
GTripp0012 Living Legend Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Evanston, IL Age: 37 Posts: 15,994	Re: Another Vinny Special: Deangelo Hall They also specifically avoided Rogers after the first play and managed not to get hurt at all. __________________ according to a source with knowledge of the situation.

09-13-2009, 08:34 PM	#29
70Chip Playmaker Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Manassas Age: 53 Posts: 3,048	Re: Another Vinny Special: Deangelo Hall My main beef with Hall is that he suffers from Deion Sanders syndrome, that is he will not throw his body into a tackle. He's not physical. His coverage is also suspect, but the main problem is his tackling which has the air of "Olay!" about it. To wit: the Manningham TD. __________________ This Monkey's Gone to Heaven

09-13-2009, 09:05 PM	#30
Lotus Fire Bruce NOW Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Hattiesburg, MS Posts: 11,434	Re: Another Vinny Special: Deangelo Hall ^^If Smoot could tackle, Manningham would not even have had a first down, much less a touchdown. __________________ Bruce Allen when in charge alone: 4-12 (.250) Bruce Allen's overall Redskins record : 28-52 (.350) Vinny Cerrato's record when in charge alone: 52-65 (.444) Vinny's overall Redskins record: 62-82 (.430) We won more with Vinny

Another Vinny Special: Deangelo Hall

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