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MTK · 10-08-2004, 01:16 PM

I really don't agree that Portis can't succeed with the counter.

The counter will get him into the open field where he can let his quickness and moves take over, problem is right now he's not getting into the open field.

Ahman Green is a great example that you don't need to be a 'power back' to succeed with the counter.

The counter requires patience and vision where in Denver Portis was able to rely more on making a quick read and cutting, it's based more on instinctive running while this offense is obviously taking some getting used to.

Hogskin · 10-08-2004, 02:14 PM

Matty,

Again, I have no concrete way to disagree with what you are saying, but here is why I see it the way I do:

Going back to the Riggins years when the counter-trey came into vogue, he consistently ran for 3-6 yard gains with that offense. Very few were broken for long gains. His effectiveness was by far the greatest in the 4th Q, when he and the Hogs had worn down the DL. This offense takes a couple seconds to develop and gives the backfield time to react. Riggins had few breaks for "long" runs. Usually, that was due to something unusual. Example was the famous SB 17 run that I replay every year just before the SB starts - the hole did not develop behind the FB, so he bounced it outside. It was the only real long run of the game. for him.

Portis, on the other hand, has made his living on long, breakaway runs with his shiftiness and speed (ala Barry Sanders), not by grinding it out. We have seen his fumbling as a grind-it-out runner. He will not plow through a line, but if he is given a good hole in the line, or gets a pass beyond the line, look out. I still think some pitchouts, screens, passes into the flat will start to appear in our offense with great success.

joecrisp · 10-09-2004, 12:48 AM

After reviewing tape (errr-- TiVO) of last week's running plays several times, there are a number of factors that contributed to the Redskins' rushing woes:

1) Inability, or perhaps more accurately, refusal to throw deep. Gibbs has put the reigns on the deep passing game, apparently telling Brunell not to take any chances downfield, preferring that he throw the safer short and intermediate passes, or simply throw it away. This allowed Cleveland to keep 8, and sometimes 9, men in the box for much of the game. There was almost always a strong safety playing up as a 4th linebacker near the line of scrimmage. This helped contain Portis to the inside, and prevent him from escaping to the outside, where his speed kills.

2) Penetration by the defensive tackles on counter plays, and excellent diagnosis and pursuit by the linebackers. It was obvious the Browns had done a great job scouting and preparing for Washington's staple running plays-- most notably the counter trey, which found little success against a disciplined and wary defensive front. Cleveland's defensive linemen did a good job of keeping Washington's blockers off of their linebackers, and middle linebacker Andra Davis had an outstanding day, as he was able to read and attack the plays unblocked on multiple occasions.

3) Failure to finish blocks-- see previous point. Washington's blockers often seemed tentative, and weren't able to reach the second level on many of the plays, which allowed the linebackers to read, react and attack. The only blocker that consistently seemed to reach the second level was the center, Cory Raymer. Too often, guard Randy Thomas would be seen chipping off a double team with the center or tackle, only to stand up and look around when there wasn't another defender immediately in front of him. Offensive line coach Joe Bugel must instill the attacking mentality in his linemen, to the point where they instinctively fire to the linebackers when they finish the first block. This applies to the tight ends and H-backs as well. Clinton Portis's longest run of the day was 10 yards, and a big reason for that was the failure to consistently finish plays with blocks on the linebackers and strong safety. The run blocking simply wasn't as intimidating, nor as effective, as it should have been.

4) Poor timing and lack of chemistry between Portis and the blockers. To start, Portis needs to do a better job of selling the counter play. Rather than taking a full jab-step as Byner used to do, turning his shoulders to the backside of the play to mislead the linebackers, Portis instead takes a couple of short hop-steps to the backside, but keeps his shoulders angled toward the playside. The hop-steps would probably be okay, and might even freeze the linebackers longer, if he would turn his shoulders to that side, but Portis telegraphs the counter by facing the playside. This puts the pulling blockers at a disadvantage, as the linebackers diagnose the counter before the blockers have time to turn the corner on the playside.

Portis was more successful when Gibbs called a designed cutback play, which required Portis to actually run a few steps toward the backside before taking the handoff and cutting back to point of attack on the playside. In combination with a zone blocking scheme that took advantage of natural gaps in the defensive line, Portis was able to find holes that were left by linebackers who had overpursued the backside handoff.

However, the losses incurred by poorly executed counter plays and sweeps, combined with a defense that was not intimidated by the passing game, prevented Portis from getting untracked over the course of the game, and resulted in a net total of 58 yards for him on the day, with a 2.9 yard average on 20 carries.

JoeRedskin · 10-09-2004, 07:32 AM

JoeC,

Don't you ever get tired of being an excellent writer and analyst? Will you still write reports for us after you've replaced Pastabelly at ESPN?

Hogskin · 10-09-2004, 10:06 AM

I agree they need some downfield passing to open up the running game. Hopefully, we will see it this week. That would be a welcome sight.

But what I really expect to see this week:

1. MUCH more no-huddle offense. That was clearly the most successful we were on offense last week.

2. Finally, some outside plays for Portis. That is what he needs to take advantage of his massive talents.

3. No fumbles by Portis!

SKINSnCANES · 10-09-2004, 11:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

JoeC,

Don't you ever get tired of being an excellent writer and analyst? Will you still write reports for us after you've replaced Pastabelly at ESPN?

haha, If we could vote JoeRedskin would get my vote over pastabelly anyday. We need some skins fans at espn.

The other thing I want joeredskin to do is start losing in fantasy football!!

10-08-2004, 02:14 PM	#17
Hogskin Impact Rookie Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Hartselle, Alabama Age: 83 Posts: 659	Matty, Again, I have no concrete way to disagree with what you are saying, but here is why I see it the way I do: Going back to the Riggins years when the counter-trey came into vogue, he consistently ran for 3-6 yard gains with that offense. Very few were broken for long gains. His effectiveness was by far the greatest in the 4th Q, when he and the Hogs had worn down the DL. This offense takes a couple seconds to develop and gives the backfield time to react. Riggins had few breaks for "long" runs. Usually, that was due to something unusual. Example was the famous SB 17 run that I replay every year just before the SB starts - the hole did not develop behind the FB, so he bounced it outside. It was the only real long run of the game. for him. Portis, on the other hand, has made his living on long, breakaway runs with his shiftiness and speed (ala Barry Sanders), not by grinding it out. We have seen his fumbling as a grind-it-out runner. He will not plow through a line, but if he is given a good hole in the line, or gets a pass beyond the line, look out. I still think some pitchouts, screens, passes into the flat will start to appear in our offense with great success. __________________ John Shaffer National Fantasy Sports Leagues, Inc. Home of "The BEST Game In Town" since 1990

10-09-2004, 12:48 AM	#18
joecrisp The Starter Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Charlottesville, VA Age: 48 Posts: 1,501	After reviewing tape (errr-- TiVO) of last week's running plays several times, there are a number of factors that contributed to the Redskins' rushing woes: 1) Inability, or perhaps more accurately, refusal to throw deep. Gibbs has put the reigns on the deep passing game, apparently telling Brunell not to take any chances downfield, preferring that he throw the safer short and intermediate passes, or simply throw it away. This allowed Cleveland to keep 8, and sometimes 9, men in the box for much of the game. There was almost always a strong safety playing up as a 4th linebacker near the line of scrimmage. This helped contain Portis to the inside, and prevent him from escaping to the outside, where his speed kills. 2) Penetration by the defensive tackles on counter plays, and excellent diagnosis and pursuit by the linebackers. It was obvious the Browns had done a great job scouting and preparing for Washington's staple running plays-- most notably the counter trey, which found little success against a disciplined and wary defensive front. Cleveland's defensive linemen did a good job of keeping Washington's blockers off of their linebackers, and middle linebacker Andra Davis had an outstanding day, as he was able to read and attack the plays unblocked on multiple occasions. 3) Failure to finish blocks-- see previous point. Washington's blockers often seemed tentative, and weren't able to reach the second level on many of the plays, which allowed the linebackers to read, react and attack. The only blocker that consistently seemed to reach the second level was the center, Cory Raymer. Too often, guard Randy Thomas would be seen chipping off a double team with the center or tackle, only to stand up and look around when there wasn't another defender immediately in front of him. Offensive line coach Joe Bugel must instill the attacking mentality in his linemen, to the point where they instinctively fire to the linebackers when they finish the first block. This applies to the tight ends and H-backs as well. Clinton Portis's longest run of the day was 10 yards, and a big reason for that was the failure to consistently finish plays with blocks on the linebackers and strong safety. The run blocking simply wasn't as intimidating, nor as effective, as it should have been. 4) Poor timing and lack of chemistry between Portis and the blockers. To start, Portis needs to do a better job of selling the counter play. Rather than taking a full jab-step as Byner used to do, turning his shoulders to the backside of the play to mislead the linebackers, Portis instead takes a couple of short hop-steps to the backside, but keeps his shoulders angled toward the playside. The hop-steps would probably be okay, and might even freeze the linebackers longer, if he would turn his shoulders to that side, but Portis telegraphs the counter by facing the playside. This puts the pulling blockers at a disadvantage, as the linebackers diagnose the counter before the blockers have time to turn the corner on the playside. Portis was more successful when Gibbs called a designed cutback play, which required Portis to actually run a few steps toward the backside before taking the handoff and cutting back to point of attack on the playside. In combination with a zone blocking scheme that took advantage of natural gaps in the defensive line, Portis was able to find holes that were left by linebackers who had overpursued the backside handoff. However, the losses incurred by poorly executed counter plays and sweeps, combined with a defense that was not intimidated by the passing game, prevented Portis from getting untracked over the course of the game, and resulted in a net total of 58 yards for him on the day, with a 2.9 yard average on 20 carries. Last edited by joecrisp; 10-09-2004 at 02:51 AM.

10-09-2004, 10:06 AM	#20
Hogskin Impact Rookie Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Hartselle, Alabama Age: 83 Posts: 659	I agree they need some downfield passing to open up the running game. Hopefully, we will see it this week. That would be a welcome sight. But what I really expect to see this week: 1. MUCH more no-huddle offense. That was clearly the most successful we were on offense last week. 2. Finally, some outside plays for Portis. That is what he needs to take advantage of his massive talents. 3. No fumbles by Portis! __________________ John Shaffer National Fantasy Sports Leagues, Inc. Home of "The BEST Game In Town" since 1990

10-08-2004, 01:16 PM	#16
MTK \m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: NY Age: 52 Posts: 99,464	I really don't agree that Portis can't succeed with the counter. The counter will get him into the open field where he can let his quickness and moves take over, problem is right now he's not getting into the open field. Ahman Green is a great example that you don't need to be a 'power back' to succeed with the counter. The counter requires patience and vision where in Denver Portis was able to rely more on making a quick read and cutting, it's based more on instinctive running while this offense is obviously taking some getting used to.

10-09-2004, 07:32 AM	#19
JoeRedskin Contains football related knowledge Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Second Star On The Right Age: 61 Posts: 10,401	JoeC, Don't you ever get tired of being an excellent writer and analyst? Will you still write reports for us after you've replaced Pastabelly at ESPN?

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