It's OK To Yell At Gibbs

Redskins8588 · 10-05-2004, 09:07 PM

jdlea this is something that you sould read. You should not care about your age when Gibbs was on the sidelines the first time, but why would you say that Gibbs doesn't have it YET!! Trust me he reconizes what the problems are and he will deal with them accordingly. Besides who would you rather be on the sidelines other than Gibbs and Williams?

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The Enemy

Paul Woody said it best in this morning's Richmond Times-Dispatch:

Joe Gibbs has seen the enemy and it is wearing burgundy and gold and leaving the football on the ground in inopportune places and at inopportune times.
Just before Portis' fumble the Skins had a 10-3 lead and seemed primed to drive to take control of the game. Instead, it's Cleveland ball on the Washington 31. Bad time, bad place.
And then the Redskins' chance for a last-gasp drive with a reasonable amount of time left died when Coles fumbled that chance away. Worse time, it didn't really matter where it happened.

Throw in the roughing the passer penalties, two of the seven flags thrown against the Skins, the miscommunications between Gibbs and Brunell and Gibbs and Larry Hill, his replay guru in the booth, and you have, well, the Fun and Gun.

Last year, the Redskins survived such performance issues during the first quarter of the season and started 3-1. Ultimately, they collapsed under the weight of all of the mistakes and won just twice the rest of the way.

Call it a losing attitude, call it what you will, but the culture of sloppy football continues even with the exchange of Gibbs for Spurrier. The key word there is culture.

It takes a lot to change a corporate culture, even in a relative small company such as the Washington Redskins . Simply banning cell phones in meetings doesn't get it done, nor does having seven zebras at each practice to flag infractions. Such things are a start, mind you, but changing a culture requires more.

For one thing, it requires a strong leader backed by a strong management team. The Redskins have that in Gibbs in concert with Bugel, Williams, and the rest. It requires persistence on the part of that leadership team. I think it would be foolish to question Gibbs' persistence or that of the assistant coaches.

There are factors beyond the control of the coaches. The individuals involved have to want to change. Or, more precisely, they have to want to do what it takes to change. You'd expect that highly motivated players making seven-figure incomes would certainly want to change and stop coughing up the ball and twitching before the snap and there's no doubt that every Redskin would tell you that he desperately wants to stop playing sloppy football.

That's talking the talk, what about walking that walk? Is that player willing to do what it takes to stop the mistakes? Will he go though the dull, rigorous drills with 100% focus, will he develop the mental toughness necessary to concentrate on execution even when he's dead tired? That's a decision each player will make for himself. It's a choice. It seems that not every player has chosen to do so at this point in time.

And that's the key, the other thing that's beyond the control of the coaches is the most fundamental one-time. It's not like removing a weed from your yard where you can just dig down and get the sucker roots and all. You have to convince that weed that it's a beautiful flower. You can't do that on demand.

jdlea · 10-05-2004, 09:33 PM

First of all, I never said I didn't want Gibbs on the sidelines. Second, I totally agree with the article, but sometimes I get upset at the way the plays are being called. Sometimes I think we pass too much, especially given my feelings toward Brunell. I don't blame Gibbs for them screwing up execution, I didn't mean to attribute that to Gibbs. I find myself correcting announcers all the time when they say "you don't expect dumb penalties from this team,"...I do expect them from THIS team, just not a Joe Gibbs coached team.

Like I said, I don't think he's back in it yet, but I have a lot of confidence that he will get it.

dieselhog · 10-06-2004, 07:41 AM

If only Stephen Davis were five years younger and still here.

He is a PERFECT Gibbs running back.

Portis will get better though, he has the talent.

MTK · 10-06-2004, 09:29 AM

With Norv people said we didn't run enough, with Marty we ran too much and dinked and dunked too much, with SS we passed too much, get my point?

celts32 · 10-06-2004, 10:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BIGREDSKINFAN63

joe gibbs does not owe any of us one thing,if anything we owe him something for giving us faith in the skins again.all you younger guys pissing and moaning were just an itch in your daddy's pants during gibbs first year.there are a lot of us here who remember it and see a lot of similarities.all you guys will be wondering a year from now how you could have been so wrong.can't we send portis to dr phil or a hypnotist?

Amen...

MTK · 10-06-2004, 12:01 PM

Gibbs is showing some rust right now without a doubt. Anyone who thought it was going to be a smooth transition for him was kidding themselves. He'll figure this out though, he's too smart and too determined not to.

JoeRedskin · 10-06-2004, 12:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Gibbs is showing some rust right now without a doubt. Anyone who thought it was going to be a smooth transition for him was kidding themselves. He'll figure this out though, he's too smart and too determined not to.

Exactly! Excellent post Matty - I think you hit the nail on the head.

irish · 10-06-2004, 02:47 PM

Gibbs is stuck trying to get a bunch of sorry no account stiffs to show some discipline, guts and heart. Of all the previous coaches to take on this nearly impossible task I believe Gibbs has the best chance of success. If this team does not succeed it will be the players fault not Gibbs.

10-05-2004, 09:07 PM	#16
Redskins8588 Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Ridgway, PA Age: 46 Posts: 2,519	jdlea this is something that you sould read. You should not care about your age when Gibbs was on the sidelines the first time, but why would you say that Gibbs doesn't have it YET!! Trust me he reconizes what the problems are and he will deal with them accordingly. Besides who would you rather be on the sidelines other than Gibbs and Williams? http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slu...adel&type=lgns The Enemy Paul Woody said it best in this morning's Richmond Times-Dispatch: Joe Gibbs has seen the enemy and it is wearing burgundy and gold and leaving the football on the ground in inopportune places and at inopportune times. Just before Portis' fumble the Skins had a 10-3 lead and seemed primed to drive to take control of the game. Instead, it's Cleveland ball on the Washington 31. Bad time, bad place. And then the Redskins' chance for a last-gasp drive with a reasonable amount of time left died when Coles fumbled that chance away. Worse time, it didn't really matter where it happened. Throw in the roughing the passer penalties, two of the seven flags thrown against the Skins, the miscommunications between Gibbs and Brunell and Gibbs and Larry Hill, his replay guru in the booth, and you have, well, the Fun and Gun. Last year, the Redskins survived such performance issues during the first quarter of the season and started 3-1. Ultimately, they collapsed under the weight of all of the mistakes and won just twice the rest of the way. Call it a losing attitude, call it what you will, but the culture of sloppy football continues even with the exchange of Gibbs for Spurrier. The key word there is culture. It takes a lot to change a corporate culture, even in a relative small company such as the Washington Redskins . Simply banning cell phones in meetings doesn't get it done, nor does having seven zebras at each practice to flag infractions. Such things are a start, mind you, but changing a culture requires more. For one thing, it requires a strong leader backed by a strong management team. The Redskins have that in Gibbs in concert with Bugel, Williams, and the rest. It requires persistence on the part of that leadership team. I think it would be foolish to question Gibbs' persistence or that of the assistant coaches. There are factors beyond the control of the coaches. The individuals involved have to want to change. Or, more precisely, they have to want to do what it takes to change. You'd expect that highly motivated players making seven-figure incomes would certainly want to change and stop coughing up the ball and twitching before the snap and there's no doubt that every Redskin would tell you that he desperately wants to stop playing sloppy football. That's talking the talk, what about walking that walk? Is that player willing to do what it takes to stop the mistakes? Will he go though the dull, rigorous drills with 100% focus, will he develop the mental toughness necessary to concentrate on execution even when he's dead tired? That's a decision each player will make for himself. It's a choice. It seems that not every player has chosen to do so at this point in time. And that's the key, the other thing that's beyond the control of the coaches is the most fundamental one-time. It's not like removing a weed from your yard where you can just dig down and get the sucker roots and all. You have to convince that weed that it's a beautiful flower. You can't do that on demand. __________________ "I am the best at what I do, and what I do isn't very nice" - Sean Taylor

10-05-2004, 09:33 PM	#17
jdlea Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arlington, VA Age: 40 Posts: 3,109	First of all, I never said I didn't want Gibbs on the sidelines. Second, I totally agree with the article, but sometimes I get upset at the way the plays are being called. Sometimes I think we pass too much, especially given my feelings toward Brunell. I don't blame Gibbs for them screwing up execution, I didn't mean to attribute that to Gibbs. I find myself correcting announcers all the time when they say "you don't expect dumb penalties from this team,"...I do expect them from THIS team, just not a Joe Gibbs coached team. Like I said, I don't think he's back in it yet, but I have a lot of confidence that he will get it.

10-06-2004, 07:41 AM	#18
dieselhog Special Teams Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Bolton, Lancashire Age: 53 Posts: 166	If only Stephen Davis were five years younger and still here. He is a PERFECT Gibbs running back. Portis will get better though, he has the talent.

10-06-2004, 09:29 AM	#19
MTK \m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: NY Age: 52 Posts: 99,464	With Norv people said we didn't run enough, with Marty we ran too much and dinked and dunked too much, with SS we passed too much, get my point?

10-06-2004, 12:01 PM	#21
MTK \m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: NY Age: 52 Posts: 99,464	Gibbs is showing some rust right now without a doubt. Anyone who thought it was going to be a smooth transition for him was kidding themselves. He'll figure this out though, he's too smart and too determined not to.

10-06-2004, 02:47 PM	#23
irish Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 4,575	Gibbs is stuck trying to get a bunch of sorry no account stiffs to show some discipline, guts and heart. Of all the previous coaches to take on this nearly impossible task I believe Gibbs has the best chance of success. If this team does not succeed it will be the players fault not Gibbs.

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