PATIENCE!!!! Try to be a FAN!! History Lesson

Krills · 10-04-2004, 11:54 AM

I agree completely with everything stated and it's is good to know that I'm not alone. I didn't have the highest expectations heading into the season, but I sure had alot of hope. The toughest part about the three losses is not that I expected them to destroy the opposition, but that we should have. It is so obvious to me that we were the better team in the last three weeks. But, I am along for the long haul as are all of you.

Paintrain · 10-04-2004, 12:05 PM

Gigantic Accolades Hogskins.. We all had high hopes for the return of Gibbs, many hopes were unfounded (13-3 predictions for example) but we do forget that we have new starters at 5 offensive positions (Brunell, Portis, Brown, Cooley/Rasby and Dockery) as well as new players at #3 WR, another key position. Offensively there just needs to be better execution.

Defensively I don't have any complaints.. Smoot has been beat a little bit this year, but Bryant and Morgan both made excellent plays on the ball.. Taylor has made a couple mistakes (Galloway almost beat him week one, the HB pass last week, one big catch by A. Davis yesterday) that he will learn from. Washington admitted he blew the assignment on the Shea TD pass yesterday so that's just execution again.

Bottom line, players need to make plays. Gibbs will make the adjustments to improve the game calling, but as Hogskin articulated, be patient 3 losses by 6, 3 and 4 points seem to indicate we aren't that far off..

d151b · 10-04-2004, 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Hogskin

There is an amazing amount of frustration coming out on this site. Guys, you need to be patient!!! But more that that you need to be SUPPORTIVE!!!! I sure don't see much of that around here. I see a LOT of FAIR-WEATHER fans that don't understand the game.

Here's a little history lesson for you guys that are having a hissy-fit:

Gibbs came to Washington in 1981. He started off by losing his first 5 games. Of those 5 games, the offense was terrible - scored 17 or LESS 4 out of the first 5 games. That year, the team ended up 8-8. The last two games were wins, and the team scored 30 and 38 points in them.

In 1982, the Redskins won the Super bowl. And that was the first of 4 Super Bowl trips for Joe Gibbs' teams. Missing the playoffs was rare.

To you guys that want Spurrier back, I sure wish there was an NFL owner dumb enough to hire him as head coach next year. Then you could go root for THAT team. It was not just the W-L record. He was completely over his head in the NFL and knew it.

If the team has not turned it around with a winning record by this time NEXT year, then come back and moan/groan, and maybe you will find some reasonable people who will listen to you. But you won't now.

If you want a MORE RECENT history lesson, look at New England's start under Belichick. He started 5-11 in 2000, averaging 17 points a game. Look what he has done since. The fans that were calling for HIS head must feel REAL bright. There are MANY more examples just like this. The top coaches turn a team around by the second season - not all go the the SB that fast (as Gibbs & Belichick did), but the team will definitely be turned around if the coach is among the elite. Joe Gibbs is an elite coach.

Valid point and all, but.... year after year i hear be patient, we'll get this thing turned around.... yadda yadda yadda until we win on a regular basis or at least beat the friggin' cowboys once or twice, i feel we all reserve the right to bitch and moan till our hearts content. That is what "fans" do. If you aren't winning and haven't won in a long time and a hall of fame coach come's back out of retirement to lead us to the promiseland and we lose 3 in a row in heartbreaking fashion to start the season off, it's hard to subside your frustration! really.

having that said, I will from this day foward try to have a more patient and have a more positive outlook on things......

Hogskin · 10-04-2004, 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by d151b

Valid point and all, but.... year after year i hear be patient, we'll get this thing turned around.... yadda yadda yadda until we win on a regular basis or at least beat the friggin' cowboys once or twice, i feel we all reserve the right to bitch and moan till our hearts content. That is what "fans" do. If you aren't winning and haven't won in a long time and a hall of fame coach come's back out of retirement to lead us to the promiseland and we lose 3 in a row in heartbreaking fashion to start the season off, it's hard to subside your frustration! really.

having that said, I will from this day foward try to have a more patient and have a more positive outlook on things......

Well, part of the problem is that there WAS no patience in the previous years. Turnover in coaches and players year after year. The other part of the problem was that at least a couple of the previous coaching staffs were doing a horrible job, and it was obvious to everyone around them. And the team was not improving at the END of the season (or the end of the second season in one case). I agree it is frustrating as hell. I had a horrible day yesterday.

And Gmanc, I know exactly what you mean. As much as I hate the Cowboys, I was even more upset and frustrated after this game because at least we DID win the Cowboy game, and the refs stole it. We just lost this one - and to a team we should drub. But I stayed off the site a while, and a few hours later I was able to put it all in perspective. (Of course, if this were 20 years ago, I would also be repairing a couple items that had accidentally bumped a wall during the game... LOL - that is one of the ONLY good things about aging)

JWsleep · 10-04-2004, 12:27 PM

Good stuff, Hogskin. I completely agree about the time frame for this team getting good. Patience is hard, especially when we lose to our arch rivals in humiliating ways. But it's the right move here.

WE WILL BE GREAT AGAIN.

Gmanc711 · 10-04-2004, 12:46 PM

I agree, hogskin. Thats a very good and well thought out post. I defintley understand why people post how they do, right after a loss. Obviously everyone is p*ssed off and frustrated, and people just right whatever to help vent and take out their frustrations without thinking it through. I'm 100% guilty of it as well, I do it all the time. I proboly wrote 30 posts yesterday that I take back. Good post though, hopefully this week we can end this streak with a W.

bridaman51 · 10-04-2004, 01:30 PM

You know what I have been reading about how everyone is frustrated and in one post somebody stated something along the lines that it is not just this" F-ing year but the last 12 F-ing years". I have been a Redskin fan as far back as i can remember. I am the only one in my family, and actually have several Dallas fans on my wifes side of the family. It is hard to sit and watch the Redskins loose a game, it is real hard so I understand the frustration. But you know what I will be doing this week and this sunday night, the same thing I have done the last 12 years (and all the years i have been a redskin fan) and that is root for the REDSKINS. I am a redskins fan win or lose I love this team, and if there is one thing i could say to Gibbs and the rest of the team is "I got there back" win or lose I am there, upset, mad, frustrated whatever. I am and will always be a Redskin fan threw thick and thin, and when this does get turned around I will be there to loving every minute of it.

A true Redskin fan wont quite, wont cry, wont whine, and will be there for the lose as much if not more than they would be there for the victory.

celts32 · 10-04-2004, 02:00 PM

I agree with the post Hogskin. The frustration I have had is directed at teh players not Gibbs or the coaching staff. I think the Redskins would be 3-1 if thier players could hold onto the ball. There is nothing the coaches can do about fumbles. I am 100% behind coach Gibbs.

BossHog · 10-04-2004, 02:09 PM

We need a proven offensive coordinator.

Redskins_P · 10-04-2004, 02:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BossHog

We need a proven offensive coordinator.

So, you're saying that Joe Bugel, Don Breaux, and Rennie Simmons aren't proven? How many more SB rings do they need in order for you to call them "proven"?

JWsleep · 10-04-2004, 02:11 PM

How about Jow Gibbs?

Defensewins · 10-04-2004, 02:40 PM

Boss Hog probably wants some on proven like Steve Spurrier.

Just kidding man.
Gibbs is the OC. period

LadyT · 10-04-2004, 02:59 PM

I'm not losing faith in Gibbs. But it would be a whole lot easier to be patient if we hadn't already lived through 10 bad years with this team. I know, I know, Gibbs is not to blame for our past 10 years, but you have to understand that we are just sick and tired of mediocrity and that's what I see on the offensive side of the ball and with the special teams too. The "D" is doing just fine, but they can't win it on their own.

Also, there's nothing wrong with criticism, when it's deserved. Doesn't mean we're bailing on the Skins. I, for one, would never do that. But when you see poor offensive play week after week, I think some healthy anger is called for. Particularly with some of the high-priced talent that we supposedly have.

AnonEmouse · 10-04-2004, 03:10 PM

Simple - judge this team on the 16 game record. You can't blame Joe for the last 12 years, likewise you can't base his performance on those years. The press hyped JG up, not JG. He remained cool calm and measured. He said before the season it will take time to turnaround and it will.

Once the O gets in gear and the ST's iron out the kinks, then see what happeens.

celts32 · 10-04-2004, 04:12 PM

I don't think criticising players on your team makes you a fairweather fan. Fair weather fans are people who lose interest or switch allegence when the going gets rough. I don't think blasting Portis or Coles for their poor play is being fairweather as long as you still support the team the next Sunday win or lose. Portis has been horrible. Why does it make you a fairweather fan for stating that? I still hold out hope that he will turn it around, but right now he is a detrament to the team. I do think we need patience with Gibbs since he has earned that and then some in my book, but a frustrated fan does not equal a fairweather fan. I pretty much think that the last 12 years have weeded out all of those...

10-04-2004, 11:54 AM	#1
Krills Special Teams Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Chesapeake, VA Age: 45 Posts: 123	Great Thread Hogskin I agree completely with everything stated and it's is good to know that I'm not alone. I didn't have the highest expectations heading into the season, but I sure had alot of hope. The toughest part about the three losses is not that I expected them to destroy the opposition, but that we should have. It is so obvious to me that we were the better team in the last three weeks. But, I am along for the long haul as are all of you.

10-04-2004, 12:27 PM	#5
JWsleep Propane and propane accessories Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Houston, TX Age: 56 Posts: 4,719	Good stuff, Hogskin. I completely agree about the time frame for this team getting good. Patience is hard, especially when we lose to our arch rivals in humiliating ways. But it's the right move here. WE WILL BE GREAT AGAIN. __________________ Hail from Houston!

10-04-2004, 02:11 PM	#11
JWsleep Propane and propane accessories Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Houston, TX Age: 56 Posts: 4,719	How about Jow Gibbs? __________________ Hail from Houston!

10-04-2004, 12:05 PM	#2
Paintrain Pro Bowl Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Ft. Lauderdale, FL Age: 55 Posts: 5,006	Gigantic Accolades Hogskins.. We all had high hopes for the return of Gibbs, many hopes were unfounded (13-3 predictions for example) but we do forget that we have new starters at 5 offensive positions (Brunell, Portis, Brown, Cooley/Rasby and Dockery) as well as new players at #3 WR, another key position. Offensively there just needs to be better execution. Defensively I don't have any complaints.. Smoot has been beat a little bit this year, but Bryant and Morgan both made excellent plays on the ball.. Taylor has made a couple mistakes (Galloway almost beat him week one, the HB pass last week, one big catch by A. Davis yesterday) that he will learn from. Washington admitted he blew the assignment on the Shea TD pass yesterday so that's just execution again. Bottom line, players need to make plays. Gibbs will make the adjustments to improve the game calling, but as Hogskin articulated, be patient 3 losses by 6, 3 and 4 points seem to indicate we aren't that far off..

10-04-2004, 12:46 PM	#6
Gmanc711 Thank You, Sean. Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Gaithersburg, MD Age: 39 Posts: 7,506	I agree, hogskin. Thats a very good and well thought out post. I defintley understand why people post how they do, right after a loss. Obviously everyone is p*ssed off and frustrated, and people just right whatever to help vent and take out their frustrations without thinking it through. I'm 100% guilty of it as well, I do it all the time. I proboly wrote 30 posts yesterday that I take back. Good post though, hopefully this week we can end this streak with a W.

10-04-2004, 01:30 PM	#7
bridaman51 Special Teams Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Roanoke Virginia Age: 47 Posts: 335	You know what I have been reading about how everyone is frustrated and in one post somebody stated something along the lines that it is not just this" F-ing year but the last 12 F-ing years". I have been a Redskin fan as far back as i can remember. I am the only one in my family, and actually have several Dallas fans on my wifes side of the family. It is hard to sit and watch the Redskins loose a game, it is real hard so I understand the frustration. But you know what I will be doing this week and this sunday night, the same thing I have done the last 12 years (and all the years i have been a redskin fan) and that is root for the REDSKINS. I am a redskins fan win or lose I love this team, and if there is one thing i could say to Gibbs and the rest of the team is "I got there back" win or lose I am there, upset, mad, frustrated whatever. I am and will always be a Redskin fan threw thick and thin, and when this does get turned around I will be there to loving every minute of it. A true Redskin fan wont quite, wont cry, wont whine, and will be there for the lose as much if not more than they would be there for the victory.

10-04-2004, 02:00 PM	#8
celts32 Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Hackettstown NJ Age: 54 Posts: 2,665	I agree with the post Hogskin. The frustration I have had is directed at teh players not Gibbs or the coaching staff. I think the Redskins would be 3-1 if thier players could hold onto the ball. There is nothing the coaches can do about fumbles. I am 100% behind coach Gibbs.

10-04-2004, 02:09 PM	#9
BossHog Registered User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Norfolk, Va Posts: 665	We need a proven offensive coordinator.

10-04-2004, 02:40 PM	#12
Defensewins Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Houston, Texas Posts: 3,765	Boss Hog probably wants some on proven like Steve Spurrier. Just kidding man. Gibbs is the OC. period

10-04-2004, 02:59 PM	#13
LadyT Special Teams Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Ashburn, VA Posts: 219	I'm not losing faith in Gibbs. But it would be a whole lot easier to be patient if we hadn't already lived through 10 bad years with this team. I know, I know, Gibbs is not to blame for our past 10 years, but you have to understand that we are just sick and tired of mediocrity and that's what I see on the offensive side of the ball and with the special teams too. The "D" is doing just fine, but they can't win it on their own. Also, there's nothing wrong with criticism, when it's deserved. Doesn't mean we're bailing on the Skins. I, for one, would never do that. But when you see poor offensive play week after week, I think some healthy anger is called for. Particularly with some of the high-priced talent that we supposedly have.

10-04-2004, 03:10 PM	#14
AnonEmouse Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: UK Age: 59 Posts: 2,659	Simple - judge this team on the 16 game record. You can't blame Joe for the last 12 years, likewise you can't base his performance on those years. The press hyped JG up, not JG. He remained cool calm and measured. He said before the season it will take time to turnaround and it will. Once the O gets in gear and the ST's iron out the kinks, then see what happeens.

10-04-2004, 04:12 PM	#15
celts32 Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Hackettstown NJ Age: 54 Posts: 2,665	I don't think criticising players on your team makes you a fairweather fan. Fair weather fans are people who lose interest or switch allegence when the going gets rough. I don't think blasting Portis or Coles for their poor play is being fairweather as long as you still support the team the next Sunday win or lose. Portis has been horrible. Why does it make you a fairweather fan for stating that? I still hold out hope that he will turn it around, but right now he is a detrament to the team. I do think we need patience with Gibbs since he has earned that and then some in my book, but a frustrated fan does not equal a fairweather fan. I pretty much think that the last 12 years have weeded out all of those...

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