Ultimate Building Blocks: NFC East

[D'BOYZ]

OK I'm Sorry but I thought at least here some people were going to say that it was outrageous that someone put a rookie who hasn't had a Snap in the top ten no matter how good of a prospect he might be. How many 1st round pick with so much high hopes turn out to be bust and to call a guy a top 10 without even playing it's absurd.

Orakpo might be a great player in the future but putting him ahead of Osi, trent Cole even Jay Ratliff as defensive guys go it's absurd.

Also No WR in your top 10 to make a team that's also ridiculous Santana Moss should made the list because he's the best WR in our division, plain and simple. DeSean has potential but e has only play one season.

Third to the guy that said Ware is Overrated I just can't stop laughing he had a sack for 10 consecutive games that's an NFL record (tied) that's consistency it's not like he had 6 sacks against a team then he didn't had any for 2 or 3 games he had 4 against the Giants (3 in 1 game), 2 against you guys. Come on 20 sacks and you say the guy s overrated when he's game planned by every team, he's double or even triple team every play.

It's like me saying Haynesworth it's overrated it's just plain absurd... The guy is the best Tackle in the game today is he worth 41mil Guaranteed I don't know but is he the best sure like Ware is the best OLB in the game.... and to the guy that said Merriman he'0s just a pressure player Ware is a complete OLB he covers and plays the run great and still puts pressure also he doesn't need steroids to be good.

Now Corners Even I as a Dallas fan can agree that Samuel's is the best in the division as one said he finds the ball and play the best in the playoffs he single handed beat Payton Manning twice in the AFC championship with 3 int games. Now I know you're Redskins fans and you support your players but to say C.Rogers is better than Newman again just absurd. C.Rogers finally had one good season last year after some really bad ones at one point in his career he was bench he's improving yes, is he the 3rd best I don't know maybe Brown is third in my book. But Cmon Newman had 1 year that he didn't allow a TD the whole season and the next year only allowed 1. He's the #1 CB in coverage but #5 or #6 in Int.

That's my 2 cents

[Daseal]

The skins have burned analysts before. They're taking the show me stance. I'm fine with that, hopefully we'll prove everyone wrong.

[Stuck in TX]

If we make the playoffs and JC has a pro bowl season I can't see us going after Rivers. Not sure I like this list though. Ware is incredibly overrated and Eli? Come on. He chokes more than he performs. I liked that ESPN article on JC. I hope to God he has a breakthrough season but if he does not, we can almost all agree that even the greatest QB of all time could not survive the tumultuous ride that JC has endured. Taking into account how he handled it all says alot about him... anyways my point is if he for some reason has a subpar season here, he will make us feel very sorry for ourselves when another team signs him to a little three year deal and he goes crazy like Brees did.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Calling Samuel the best CB in the division by far is an embarrassment. He's not better than Newman. He's not better than Rogers. He's probably not even better than Corey Webster, although I'm not going to go that far. He might not be the best CB on his own team.

DeMarcus Ware is painfully overrated. There were like 4 games last year where he may or may not have been dressed, I don't know. He's not great against the run, and a lot of his 20 sacks were concentrated in games against vastly inferior competition. Oh, and when the Cowboys needed one win in their last two games to make the playoffs, Ware got one sack, in the first quarter of the first game. He's not, say, Shawne Merriman or Justin Tuck good. Not even close.

GTripp, I think what you do with the football stats and using metrics is really cool. But at some point you have to reconcile what you're doing with common sense.

Saying Samuel as the best in the division = an embarrassment is a statement that doesn't just contradict common sense, it flies in the face of it.

If you're going to make such a statement, you need to post some of your kick ass metric stuff and summarize it in such a way that you might convince us why you're right. Otherwise these outlandish statements -with no support behind them - convince us of little other than your credibility is questionable.

You've got to show you can convert the stats into common sense discussion or nobody's going to buy it.

[MTK]

Yeah and if Ware is overrated with 20 sacks, I sure hope Orakpo can be just as overrated.

[D'BOYZ]

Analyst can't say your team is going to make the playoffs because all the teams in the division improved a divison that was already tough.

Yes NY lost their biggest weapon in Plaxico in this might hurt them we don't know how their WR are going to pann out but their defense is just scary they get Osi back and got Canty there also I don't know if they're goign to even need Eli to find the next plaxico they can be like the 2000 Ravens and just let the defense win the games for them.

Philly got 1 of the best LT in the game a freaking cry baby overated in my point of view but if he plays like 2 years ago and not like last year when he was crying about his contract they got a good one plus they got the WR and The RB that McNabb has been asking for the past 10 years.

Dallas who know's.... They let the problem in the lockroom go but also their best offensive weapon... They got 3 great RB's but how they're going to use them I don't know they got a lot of talent oon Defense but in December they always seem to gas out. They got a great QB that chokes in the late run.... The talent is there but I don't know if the focus and heart is there to make it in a tought Division.

Washington improved their Defense which was a huge concern but still has question marks in Offense you guys have a great TE top 5 in my book a great RB and a lot of WR that don't show up every game... Moss has some great and bad years and games he can be complete domminat one week and dissapear the next. and last year two rookie WR jsut didn't show up let's see if one offseason does the deal. Campbell can be a great QB but he might not do it as a Redskin, he might be the next Drew Bress a QB that shines in the next team... the front office doesn'ttrust him anymore and that's huge the fact that thye tried to deal him not once but twice this offseason says a lot.

Now stop with the pipedream of gettign Rivers and/or Merriman that just wont happen and I would bet anyone that just wont happen..... if somebody points out you got Heynsworth he got a clause in his contract That Tennessee couldn't franchise him again that's why you got him... either Rivers or Merriman will get an extension this year and the other is getting franchised sorry.

[Daseal]

Dallas who know's.... They let the problem in the lockroom go but also their best offensive weapon... They got 3 great RB's but how they're going to use them I don't know they got a lot of talent oon Defense but in December they always seem to gas out. They got a great QB that chokes in the late run.... The talent is there but I don't know if the focus and heart is there to make it in a tought Division.

I keep hearing 'addition by subtraction' from the whole TO thing, but ask a Giants fan what happened to their running game when Plax went out. Having that stud WR is huge for opening up the running game -- wish we had one.

In my opinion, Dallas' season hinges on two players. Roy Williams stepping up to be a #1 receiver. Tony Romo becoming consistent and the leader of that team.

[Schneed10]

Just like a QB's impact on a team is often overstated (it's a team game after all), TO's overall negative impact on a team is also overstated.

Yes he's a monumental pain in the ass. But the guy is an amazing player and someone you have to gameplan for. There's no way the Cowboys got better by subtracting Owens. They'll only be better if Roy Williams (or someone else) steps up and plays like superstud TO (without being the pain in the ass).

[MTK]

I totally agree that losing TO is going to hurt them on the field. Yeah they will have a huge distraction and media whore off their hands, and maybe Romo will feel less pressure since he won't have to feed the ball to him all game long, but not having TO is a big advantage for opposing defenses. Now they can focus in on Witten more.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

Just like a QB's impact on a team is often overstated (it's a team game after all), TO's overall negative impact on a team is also overstated.

Yes he's a monumental pain in the ass. But the guy is an amazing player and someone you have to gameplan for. There's no way the Cowboys got better by subtracting Owens. They'll only be better if Roy Williams (or someone else) steps up and plays like superstud TO (without being the pain in the ass).

And I'm pretty sure I heard last week that Romo, particularly Romo to Roy Williams, has been looking pretty piss poor at Cowboys camp.

Not so worried about the Cowboys this year. Eagles and Giants on the other hand...

[MTK]

Williams could go down as a monster bust if he doesn't step it up.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by NoviSkins

Exactly, I think the addition of Haynesworth and Orakpo alone are good for 2 more wins. For whatevever reason the Skins really are pariahs in the eyes of the national media.

Haynesworth is a proven player, Orakpo is not. We don't know if Orakpo is going to be any good until he puts on the pads. I think it's safe to say (barring injury) the defense is going to be good. It's on the offense IMO. If the offense scores more points we'll see a 2-4 win improvement. If not then we're a 7-9 win team.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Williams could go down as a monster bust if he doesn't step it up.

I think you can already chalk it up. He's the most overrated player in the NFL. Terrible trade by Dallas IMO.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Calling Samuel the best CB in the division by far is an embarrassment. He's not better than Newman. He's not better than Rogers. He's probably not even better than Corey Webster, although I'm not going to go that far. He might not be the best CB on his own team.

DeMarcus Ware is painfully overrated. There were like 4 games last year where he may or may not have been dressed, I don't know. He's not great against the run, and a lot of his 20 sacks were concentrated in games against vastly inferior competition. Oh, and when the Cowboys needed one win in their last two games to make the playoffs, Ware got one sack, in the first quarter of the first game. He's not, say, Shawne Merriman or Justin Tuck good. Not even close.

LOL. Yeah right. Ask Chris Samuels or any NFL LT if he's overrated.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

I think you can already chalk it up. He's the most overrated player in the NFL. Terrible trade by Dallas IMO.

Most overrated really? More so than Asante Samuel or DeMarcus Ware??

Seriously though, you think he's the most overrated in the entire league? Not sure I agree there.