Worst 5 Moves of Snyder era?

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by Counter-Tre

Can I get clarification on something? I seem to remember that Champ Bailey was going to leave the Skins eventually anyway so instead of having him jump ship with nothing to show for it we traded him and got Portis. You guys would know for sure, can you help a brother out?

Yeah, he let it be known thru his agent that he was not interested in signing with the Redskins once we didn't extend him before the season and then we were going thru another coaching change.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

Yeah, he let it be known thru his agent that he was not interested in signing with the Redskins once we didn't extend him before the season and then we were going thru another coaching change.

Yes. Champ wanted to leave.

What got me about that trade was not Champ for Portis but the #2 pick that we threw into the deal. Portis was also unhappy in Denver. It has always seemed to me that a harder bargain could have been struck.

[SFREDSKIN]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

Yeah, he let it be known thru his agent that he was not interested in signing with the Redskins once we didn't extend him before the season and then we were going thru another coaching change.

I wonder how he feels now? **** him!! He should have been a Redskin for life. The grass is not always greener on the other side (I guess monetarily it is).

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

Stubblefield
Deion
Trotter
Spurrier
Pierce

By the way, how many SB's has Marty won and how many has JG? That's ridiculous that you have hiring Gibbs as one of the worst moves. Hiring Gibbs was the best move, it restored integrity.

Yeah I remember the end of that 03 season and the team had just 100% quit on Spurrier. And I also remember the first part of the 01 season when the team wouldn't play for Marty cause he was such a dick. Gibbs 2 made his fair share of mistakes but I've never seen a Gibbs team qiut.

[skinsfan69]

1. Keeping Norv or Charely C.
2. Hiring Marty S. and giving full control.
3. The whole mess of 2000. You can't buy championships
4. Not letting GW take over
5. Hiring a college coach who didn't even know WTF he was doing.

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

Stubblefield
Deion
Trotter
Spurrier
Pierce

By the way, how many SB's has Marty won and how many has JG? That's ridiculous that you have hiring Gibbs as one of the worst moves. Hiring Gibbs was the best move, it restored integrity.

I completely agree with that, which is why that move is also on my best list but for all the integrity restoring he did, when he left the team was no better than it was when he arrived in many areas.

We didn't have a clear QB picture when he arrived, nor when he left.
We didn't have good WR depth when he arrived, nor when he left.
We didn't have consistent game changers when he arrived, nor when he left.

In many ways, the Gibbs years-since he was on a 4 year plan-set us back a few years because he left us with an old, bloated roster and not much to build with.

[skins89moss]

Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

I wonder how he feels now? **** him!! He should have been a Redskin for life. The grass is not always greener on the other side (I guess monetarily it is).

Yea your right it is not always Greener. All you Jason Campbell haters better remember it if we draft Sanchez or get rid of Campbell.

[skins89moss]

1. Hiring Spurrier and not hiring Marvin Lewis as Head Coach
2.Firing Marty after 1 season of 8-8. Just when the team started to respond to his style.
3.Looking to sign the next high profile old free agent ( Sanders, B.Smith, J. George,J.Taylor,M.Carrier,M.Brunell). Brunell did give Jason time to learn, but we change systems every year.
4.Not keeping good Redskin players ( A.Pierce, B. Mitchell,Ryan Clark, Brad Johnson Super Bowl QB.) Damm all these players have won a Super Bowl ring since they depart DC.

5.Not hiring Gregg Williams as Head Coach. We need a defensive mind coach that can make this team physically and mentallity tougher.

Thats my idea of his worst moves thus far.
6.Getting rid of Jason Campbell is on the horizon.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

I completely agree with that, which is why that move is also on my best list but for all the integrity restoring he did, when he left the team was no better than it was when he arrived in many areas.

We didn't have a clear QB picture when he arrived, nor when he left.
We didn't have good WR depth when he arrived, nor when he left.
We didn't have consistent game changers when he arrived, nor when he left.

In many ways, the Gibbs years-since he was on a 4 year plan-set us back a few years because he left us with an old, bloated roster and not much to build with.

Dude, you're making no sense. You can't have it listed as both a best move and a worst move at the same time, they are mutually exclusive categories. It kind of completely tanks the credibility of your entire list.

[Beemnseven]

-- Showing Brian Mitchell the door.

-- Attempting to weasel out of the contract he signed with Marty to get more control.

-- Firing Marty.

-- All of the boneheaded personnel moves, I've listed them before, no point in rehashing them.

-- Ignoring the model of success of all the championship teams: Recognizing the importance of the draft, and stockpiling as many picks as possible.

[redskins1974]

Not hiring Williams as Head Coach - and keep Al Saunders as Offensive Coordinator. We had a good run to end the year - thanks to T Collins playing well in the Al Saunders offense down the stretch. Honestly, I was hoping the offense would stay intact, and that Collins would at least be given a shot to start the following year. He understood the offense inside and out, considering all the time he had with Saunders in KC. I know Collins is old, but he guided us to a 4-0 record the end of the year and into the playoffs.
I loves G Williams intensity. He deserved a shot.

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by redskins1974

Not hiring Williams as Head Coach - and keep Al Saunders as Offensive Coordinator. We had a good run to end the year - thanks to T Collins playing well in the Al Saunders offense down the stretch. Honestly, I was hoping the offense would stay intact, and that Collins would at least be given a shot to start the following year. He understood the offense inside and out, considering all the time he had with Saunders in KC. I know Collins is old, but he guided us to a 4-0 record the end of the year and into the playoffs.
I loves G Williams intensity. He deserved a shot.

Agreed. I thought that would have been the best course of action as well. They seemed convinced that the team was close to being on the level of a consistent winner, but then they turn around and completely change the offense. If there was one aspect of the team that needed to stay intact and build on the success that it did have, it was Al Saunders offense.

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

Dude, you're making no sense. You can't have it listed as both a best move and a worst move at the same time, they are mutually exclusive categories. It kind of completely tanks the credibility of your entire list.

Here's how it makes sense. Gibbs did all of the intangible things our franchise needed when he came back. He 'restored our integrity' after the Spurrier debacle, he was able to guide us through the Sean Taylor tragedy like probably no other coach could, he put us back in the category of respectability rather than the laughingstock we had become.

For all good that he did, our roster is overall weighted down by his failed agenda to win in 4 years. During his time we traded more picks than any other time in this decade. During his time we acquired more free agents young and old than any other time this decade. During his time we didn't tangibly improve (unquestioned long term starters) at any key positions other than S, RB and TE. See my previous post about the number of question marks that were here when he came in and the same question marks remained when he left.

Clear opportunities were missed badly at 3 key positions. 3 specific moves could have dramatically altered our roster and we'd be in a much different place. For example-
-Acquiring Brunell and not seeing what he had in Ramsey for at least one season. We've seen that Ramsey didn't get it done as an NFL starter, but if Gibbs saw that after the first year he could have acquired Drew Brees as a FA.
-Not letting Pierce go. Obvious miss here, no need to belabor this point. As good as Fletcher is and has been for us, we are in a position THIS YEAR where we are already having to consider his replacement.
-Not letting Smoot go. The domino effect of this one is, to me, the biggest gaffe in the Gibbs era. Smoot leaves which left a void at CB, which we filled with Carlos Rogers. In picking Rogers, we bypassed Shawn Merriman and Demarcus Ware. Both became elite pass rushers and perennial All Pros at a position (pass rusher) that we've been trying to fill for 20 years. Not to mention we have to face Ware twice a year makes it all the more dramatic.

To ignore those facts is ignoring the overall impact of the Gibbs return.

[redskinjim]

Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

Stubblefield
Deion
Trotter
Spurrier
Pierce

By the way, how many SB's has Marty won and how many has JG? That's ridiculous that you have hiring Gibbs as one of the worst moves. Hiring Gibbs was the best move, it restored integrity.

well done but put spurrier first.that was a very embarrasing time to be a redskin when he did the duck qwacking thing on monday night football and they replayed it over and over in slow motion after getting stomped by the giants

[Giantone]

He really has only made two mistakes............

1)Not letting football people do their job..........

2)Listening to anything Vinnie Cerroto has to say.

...............that is only an outsiders opinion.