NFL Rumor Central: Does Vick have a future in Frisco?

[SBXVII]

Do I think Vick should come to our team. No. If Zorn felt he needed him to get his scheme across then so be it but I always viewed Vick as a one man show. If you could stop him you stopped the team. He was not the pocket passer everyone wanted him to be. Yes he would be an upgrade to our situation but if we are looking for a team player and pocket passer then Vick is not it. I give the Falcons as an example. With Vick they did good, they did fairly well. Look what happened to the team after he got locked up. They all worked together as a team and supported the new rookie QB and they went to the playoffs.

[44ever]

SBXVII. Respected, maybe I hold the NFL to a higher standard than I should. Maybe it has to do with the way I viewed the NFL as a child growing up. And now having children of my own. Maybe I feel the NFL represents one of the last true American standard for moral sports entertainent. I may also be viewing it with bias as I watch corruption infiltradtw our society and standards being lowered and excepted. But in a sport were there are fines for celebrating in the endzone after making a touchdown because it taunts and disrespects. Where do we draw the line?

Dexter Manley was banned from ever returning to the NFL because of drug use on himself. I could argue I'd rather have a guy with a drug problem play than a animal killer.

There needs to be standards thats all im saying. Vick went to college I didn't. I'm doing ok living paycheck to paycheck. Raising 4 kids in an apartment. I used to make over 100k a year before a brain injury. Things happen. Society ows us nothing. You can still work construction as a past felon. He'll be fine. If he chooses too. He probably will get back in the NFL anyway. If he does, good for him.

I just don't think those of us that dont want him should be called dumbass. Post#2. Other than that I respect his opinion

[Ruhskins]

Before anyone gets all bent out of shape about Vick possibly coming back think about this... There is a player in the NFL (Little) that killed another human being, was found guilty of this crime, and was allowed to play (and is still playing). Pacman Jones' actions may have led to someone end up paralyzed for the rest of their life. Heck, even Ray Lewis was involved (and got acquitted) in a shooting that I believed ended up with someone dead. I'm not justifying what Vick did, he deserved to go to jail, have his career ruined, and lose all his money. Now if he wants to return to the NFL, and the league lets him, so be it.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by 44ever

SBXVII. Respected, maybe I hold the NFL to a higher standard than I should. Maybe it has to do with the way I viewed the NFL as a child growing up. And now having children of my own. Maybe I feel the NFL represents one of the last true American standard for moral sports entertainent. I may also be viewing it with bias as I watch corruption infiltradtw our society and standards being lowered and excepted. But in a sport were there are fines for celebrating in the endzone after making a touchdown because it taunts and disrespects. Where do we draw the line?

Dexter Manley was banned from ever returning to the NFL because of drug use on himself. I could argue I'd rather have a guy with a drug problem play than a animal killer.

There needs to be standards thats all im saying. Vick went to college I didn't. I'm doing ok living paycheck to paycheck. Raising 4 kids in an apartment. I used to make over 100k a year before a brain injury. Things happen. Society ows us nothing. You can still work construction as a past felon. He'll be fine. If he chooses too. He probably will get back in the NFL anyway. If he does, good for him.

I just don't think those of us that dont want him should be called dumbass. Post#2. Other than that I respect his opinion

Agreed. Which is why I said everyones values are different. Cause I don't think everyone who thinks he needs to be banned is a dumbass either or should be called that. But I do believe when it comes to sports/Entertainment we need to lighten up a little. If we were talking federal gov. I would agree whole heartedly he needs to be banned but from a sport perspective....it's only a sport. nothing more.

[tdSKINS1]

I haven't insulted anyone, I never said that what he did was not awful and that he didn't deserve his time. But its okay for Pac Man to have a human being shot at to play ?? And this is with Pac Man getting chance after chance. I'm a huge Vick fan as an athlete who I think is a great addition to any team. He did his time, he deserves atleast an opportunity to play and show that he still can play. Even if it isn't at QB, who cares he still can play. I stand by what I said before and he should and will play again for whoever wants him.

[tdSKINS1]

I'm sorry for saying that people are dumbasses however I think people should put there self in that position and wonder if they thought they deserved a second chance. I bet that you'd say YES i want a second chance. The NFL has made it clear that people who **** up are still most likely going to get second chances. Even if they are arrested for being an asshole on a regular basis ex. Pac Man, Tank Johnson, Chris Henry and so on then he should get a second chance. Sorry 44 for "insulting" you

[cdskins26]

In the modern NFL, I predict he gets back into the league and has 3 options:

-start playing, stay clean, be a super star or at least what he was, and get some respect.
-start playing, stay clean, suck, and he will be forgotten.
-have another run-in with the law, and be hated

At this point I don't know what will be the best for him

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

Before anyone gets all bent out of shape about Vick possibly coming back think about this... There is a player in the NFL (Little) that killed another human being, was found guilty of this crime, and was allowed to play (and is still playing). Pacman Jones' actions may have led to someone end up paralyzed for the rest of their life. Heck, even Ray Lewis was involved (and got acquitted) in a shooting that I believed ended up with someone dead. I'm not justifying what Vick did, he deserved to go to jail, have his career ruined, and lose all his money. Now if he wants to return to the NFL, and the league lets him, so be it.

Great points. I don't think Vick should be banned forever. I also don't think he should be free from judgement and criticism just becuase he "paid his debt to society," but people have done worse and still played in the NFL.

He's already (deservedly so) had his life shit on - both financially and personally. If he's fortuante enough to be given another chance to earn a living at his profession, then good for him. The legal system will have worked - prosecuted, jailed, rehabilitated, and released back into the public to return to working for a living. I still think the guy is a d-bag, but just because most of us don't like him doesn't mean he doesn't deserve a second chance.

[44ever]

Originally Posted by tdSKINS1

I'm sorry for saying that people are dumbasses however I think people should put there self in that position and wonder if they thought they deserved a second chance. I bet that you'd say YES i want a second chance. The NFL has made it clear that people who **** up are still most likely going to get second chances. Even if they are arrested for being an asshole on a regular basis ex. Pac Man, Tank Johnson, Chris Henry and so on then he should get a second chance. Sorry 44 for "insulting" you

no hard feelings brother the meds are kicking in now

[celts32]

I can't see any NFL team putting up with the backlash from PETA that will surely come if they sign him. Is signing Vick really worth the picketing and constant negative attention it will cause. I think teams will decide he's not worth it.

[rypper11]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

44, I'm not sure what else Vick went to school for? Hopefully he did not go for basketweaving to simply be able to play ball but if he did then society is saying we are not going to allow you to utilize the only talent you have. and this happens to many "felons" when they have to fill out an aplication that asks if they were ever convicted of a felony. It used to be felons could go to construction work or some type of manual labor after being convicted and still make ends meet but even now I'm seeing more of them not getting hired simply due to that marr on their record.

Bit of a side comment, but I own a small painting company and I can't hire anyone with felonies in the past ten years. If I do, my insurances (liability and workers comp) rise. So if I hired a felon then I'd have to pay everyone less because a higher percentage of salaries are going to pay insurance. You are either concerned about people stealing tools, equipment and customers property or injuring customers. I know that "he paid his time" and should be returned to society, but that's not the way most of society works. There are very few industries (entertainment being the obvious exception) where any recent criminal record doesn't hurt your employment. Even if you are hiring him to clean port a johns you don't want to see him on the news being pulled out of your company truck at his next arrest.

That being said, I just don't think he is a very good quarterback and it might have been the best thing to happen to the Falcons that he was sent to jail. However, if he can catch the ball, imagine him returning punts and kickoffs? You know, somewhere else.

[MdBluefinCrab]

Originally Posted by tdSKINS1

I'm a die hard Hokie fan, and I've watched Michael play a lot and yes he messed up in a big way, however this man is one of the most electricfying athletes I have ever seen. He served his time, and deserves a second chance. Anyone who thinks he does not is a dumbass for thinking that. He is incredible and the Niners would definetly be upgrading with MV

Count me as one of the "dumb asses". He not only lied to the courts but also the Commissioner of the NFL, not once but twice.
Maybe he should get a second chance but not anytime soon. The only time he has served has been by the Feds. He's yet to serve any kind of punishment that is due him by the NFL and serving time in a Federal penitentiary doesn't count as punishment time served in the NFL.
Vick should still serve at least a 1 year suspension from the NFL for his crimes and lying to the NFL Commissioner and if not, then all this talk about cracking down on the thuggery in the NFL is all that...nothing but talk.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by MdBluefinCrab

Count me as one of the "dumb asses". He not only lied to the courts but also the Commissioner of the NFL, not once but twice.
Maybe he should get a second chance but not anytime soon. The only time he has served has been by the Feds. He's yet to serve any kind of punishment that is due him by the NFL and serving time in a Federal penitentiary doesn't count as punishment time served in the NFL.
Vick should still serve at least a 1 year suspension from the NFL for his crimes and lying to the NFL Commissioner and if not, then all this talk about cracking down on the thuggery in the NFL is all that...nothing but talk.

My only question is where was your outrage when Leonard Little killed that woman, served 90 days in jail, and was allowed to play again? Do you even know that the NFL allowed a guy who killed a human being while driving drunk to play again?

Once again, I don't justify Vick, nor do I think he's a good person whatsoever. I'm just sick and tired of people acting like this is the worst thing an NFL player has done (even though his career was ruined and went to jail for a year). Oh and in case someone starts accusing me of being insensitive, I'm a dog owner.

Please people, there are rapist, child molesters, murderers, that b/c they have money are able to get away with their crime, continue with their lives as if nothing happened. Ok, maybe Goodell should ban Vick for another year. But then again, he gave Pacman Jones a chance, so if Jones got a chance, then Vick should.

[rypper11]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

Before anyone gets all bent out of shape about Vick possibly coming back think about this... There is a player in the NFL (Little) that killed another human being, was found guilty of this crime, and was allowed to play (and is still playing). Pacman Jones' actions may have led to someone end up paralyzed for the rest of their life. Heck, even Ray Lewis was involved (and got acquitted) in a shooting that I believed ended up with someone dead. I'm not justifying what Vick did, he deserved to go to jail, have his career ruined, and lose all his money. Now if he wants to return to the NFL, and the league lets him, so be it.

The part the pisses me off most about Little is the arrest six years after he got drunk and killed someone for DUI and was acquitted.
As for Lewis, his friend stabbed a guy in a melee that Lewis was near. Not nearly the same as routinely gaining pleasure from abusing and killing animals, habitually driving drunk and killing someone, trying to hire someone to execute a man (and the other numerous crimes PacMan does almost daily).

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by rypper11

The part the pisses me off most about Little is the arrest six years after he got drunk and killed someone for DUI and was acquitted.
As for Lewis, his friend stabbed a guy in a melee that Lewis was near. Not nearly the same as routinely gaining pleasure from abusing and killing animals, habitually driving drunk and killing someone, trying to hire someone to execute a man (and the other numerous crimes PacMan does almost daily).

Thanks for correcting me on Lewis, I really didn't know the details of his situation. The funny thing is that all of these points we're making are based on a rumor that may or may not happen. Even if Vick gets to play in the CFL, his crime is going to follow him around. Too bad people like Little will not get harassed for killing someone.