obama is taking my $

[dmek25]

joe, tell us how you really feel

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by The Goat

FRPLG and Schneed10, from you're comments I have to assume you both are under the mistaken impression US funding to help reduce population explosion somehow involves forced contraceptive, abortion, etc. From all my research, conversations w/ those who spend time working on these issues in the Peace Corp or other organizations, and a good deal of time spent in the published works of J. Sachs and other economists concentrating on these types of issues, I've never heard of forced contraceptive or abortion wrt US funded programs. To be sure, there are horrific atrocities occurring in these dark corners of the world and mostly related to extreme population explosion over the last several decades. The preponderance of research and indeed the historical record shows women prefer to have the option/availability of these services and do in fact choose to have fewer children in the long run. Again, they're choice, not something forced on them.

... sitting in a country that basically has no overcrowding issues, where resources are not strained to their limits and where we have all the freedoms in the world... and to put our plump hands over our ears and ignore what is going on in the utterly impoverished regions of Africa and the Middle-East... horrifically alarming on a moral level. Or rather it's just deeply, deeply ignorant.

No my comments were based solely on yours which Schneed pointed out inferred that one of Bush's failings as a President was a lack of support in reducing populations in terrorists base countries by whatever means. Since the basis of this thread it seems pretty reasonable to me that you were supporting paying for abortions. Are you saying you believe that the foundation of terrorism is rooted in overcrowding?

[757SkinsGirl]

Originally Posted by dmek25

nice touch, the God Bless America ending

I was watching George Carlin last night. Part of his banter was "God Bless America"... most all politicians use this in closing.

He said. "What is this? A demand? A statement?..." and went on to say, "...if God loves all of us equally, why should he "bless America" more so than any other country, and that, in the end, it's an empty statement...


/end derail

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by FRPLG

No my comments were based solely on yours which Schneed pointed out inferred that one of Bush's failings as a President was a lack of support in reducing populations in terrorists base countries by whatever means. Since the basis of this thread it seems pretty reasonable to me that you were supporting paying for abortions. Are you saying you believe that the foundation of terrorism is rooted in overcrowding?

I'm not comfortable w/ funding abortions because ultimately i'm pro-life. What i recognize is decades of total negligence (by the US and world community) and inherent cultural norms in these troubled regions have created a population explosion almost impossible for us to imagine. Just like I cannot be comfortable w/ China's formula for pop control, I do recognize the Chinese gov knew it had to do something.

... Roots of terrorism aren't that simple is my guess. I did read a study once claiming if you look at where terrorists come from there's an extremely high correlation w/ massive US military installations. It's not a strong thesis because obviously we've got huge installations in S. Korea and elsewhere but don't see them recruit terrorists. Obviously there's more to the equation (although I was surprised to find out how much Koreans and Japanese dislike our military presence in their countries). The bigger picture w/ overcrowding is it sets the stage for strife, violent conflict, etc. Sachs does a good job of relating the professional journal research (boring) to real world, and basically what we find is that the common denominator in regions across the world for ongoing violent conflict is a very high TFR (total fertility rate) - not religious differences, political disagreements, etc.

[4mrusmc]

I think that it is sad and pathatic that the only way that we can get the far left to kill terrorists, is to dress them up as a fetus.

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by 4mrusmc

I think that it is sad and pathatic that the only way that we can get the far left to kill terrorists, is to dress them up as a fetus.

I stay far away from political discussion on this website, but that's hilarious!

[redskinjim]

Originally Posted by TheSmurfs22

Here is your hope and change folks! Get ready to open your wallets!

obama is the welfare president it goes in cycles thats why we all need to register as a independant to give us that 3rd alternative.

[redskinjim]

Originally Posted by 4mrusmc

I think that it is sad and pathatic that the only way that we can get the far left to kill terrorists, is to dress them up as a fetus.

that is funny but also sad at the same time

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

So spending millions of dollars (and hundreds of lives) on a war we didn't have to fight doesn't bother you at all. Especially an expense that we probably didn't need and may have aided to the economic nightmare we're in?

I'm a Dem, and I oppose this subsidy (and I believe it has been overturned), but I try to be smart and look at the big picture. The money spent on this is nowhere near as much as Iraq has cost this country.

Let me ask you this, are you also against torture? Because if you are, guess what, you funded it directly also.

So now your going to use Iraq as an excuss about other bad spending. Wow, Obama has a mighty long leash if thats the case. Bad spending is bad spending.

[saden1]

Originally Posted by 4mrusmc

I think that it is sad and pathatic that the only way that we can get the far left to kill terrorists, is to dress them up as a fetus.

Unfortunately we have to rationalize things, we are incapable of going with our gut. The illness we suffer from is terrible, tragic really.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by saden1

Fear not yee tax-paying-anti-terrorist-pro-lifers, terrorist breeding nations have the most strict abortion laws known to man. Unfortunately this means the supply of future terrorists will not be limited without us at least provding conctranception meds.


God Bless America!

While reading these post I was think that abortion laws in the middle east must be very strict and I bet using conctracetion meds might even be illegal. To lazy to look that up.

[redskinjim]

spend the money now. we wouldnt want to leave any behind for the kids.trillions in debt and still spending like a drunken soccer mom

[CRedskinsRule]

What bothers me most about this is that these are what Obama felt he must do with in the first days to appease his political wing:
Close Gitmo
Allow funding of international groups that support abortions (petty note-couldn't we get american funds straightened out before we worry whether we are giving out enough to the international community?)
Halt all of Bush's last minute regulations
Freeze pay of White House staff making over 100K (except his as he is not allowed - I wonder if he offered to keep getting a Senator's salary? [i know petty again])

Again I want Obama to succeed, but I really don't see how this holds to his quote to put petty political stuff aside for the good of the country.

[4mrusmc]

Originally Posted by saden1

Unfortunately we have to rationalize things, we are incapable of going with our gut. The illness we suffer from is terrible, tragic really.

Like Michael Savage says, "liberalism is a mental disorder." But, you are are still a good Redskins fan.

[12thMan]

I think we're completely misunderstanding what's happening here. President Obama isn't funding abortion at all. I don't know how much clearer it can get than that.

This is foreign aid money that has gone to these same handful of countries for umpteen years and it represents approximately .01% of federal spending.

This has nothing to do with funding abortion, but everything to do with making adequate healthcare available for woman in foreign countries. In fact, there's a very specific clause, Hyde-Weldon clause, that prohibits federal funding to go directly toward abortion procedures. It's the law.

Sorry, but this isn't some liberal-socialist agenda like some on the right would have people believe. The President is simply repealing a clause that says international agencies or NGOs that are the recipeints of US funding can now offer healthcare services and counseling to women abroad.