Reading between the lines I say Zorn is gone.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by vallin21

So your saying we can't beat those teams. 3 of those 4 games were at home. Baltimore is a 45 min drive. They might not be "sub par" but all 4 games are games we had a chance to win.

Those are definitely not sub-par teams though. I think the concern shouldn't be that we lost to those teams so much as how non-competitive we looked.

[maroonandblack30]

Originally Posted by vallin21

So your saying we can't beat those teams. 3 of those 4 games were at home. Baltimore is a 45 min drive. They might not be "sub par" but all 4 games are games we had a chance to win.

Where did I say we couldn't beat those teams? I am just disputing that teams with a combined record of 40-13 aren't "sub-par" I think thats pretty obvious.

[maroonandblack30]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Those are definitely not sub-par teams though. I think the concern shouldn't be that we lost to those teams so much as how non-competitive we looked.

Absolutely.... our offense look over whelmed all 5 games.... not a good sign.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by maroonandblack30

Classic front office speak = "We will evaluate everything at the end of the year, right now we will focus on the next opponent" Translation = our coach is gone.

If you say so.

[skinsfan69]

I heard Vinny this am and it really didn't sound like a vote of confidence for Zorn. It sounded like Vinny was dancing around the subject. I just kind of think that the problem in the locker room is what's going to get him fired.... as well as his offense sucking beyond belief.

[GMScud]

If Vinny wants a scapegoat for the teams poor performance, than he can look in the mirror. Our struggles are stemming from learning a complex new offense (any former WCO QB will tell you it takes a few seasons, not a few games, to become proficient), and big time personnel issues. The former Vinny and everyone else knew when Zorn was hired, the latter is directly Vinny's fault. Not to mention Zorn wasn't given much say on the coaches, aside from Smith and Mitchell.

Now, if Zorn is a poor motivator, can't relate to players, and has already lost the locker room... well that's a different story. Has this happened? I don't know, but I hope not.

[maroonandblack30]

If Zorn goes, JC might as well go to. I feel bad for JC, what a "cursed" career. I think he could/would be good if ever got a chance to learn a system.

[SmootSmack]

I think before Zorn goes or Vinny, there has to be an overhaul of the coaching staff. Find out if Blache and Bugel are truly committed to another year on the team, move Jackson, Hixon, and Smith out of here the day after the last game. Start there.

[Paintrain]

If Zorn goes than Vinny has to go also if Snyder wants an OUNCE of respect from whomever he hires to run things.

The only scenario where I want to see changes are if we bring in someone to run the entire operation (Scott Pioli, Floyd Reese, James Harris, Mike Holmgren) and they are given a true opportunity to set the organizational course for the future.

We are not one player, coach or scheme change away from being an elite team. I've been fooled into thinking we were on the cusp, but we need to step back, rebuild and establish an organizational philosophy that promotes winning.

[maroonandblack30]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I think before Zorn goes or Vinny, there has to be an overhaul of the coaching staff. Find out if Blache and Bugel are truly committed to another year on the team, move Jackson, Hixon, and Smith out of here the day after the last game. Start there.

Good call.... give Zorn a chance to build his own staff. I agree.

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I think before Zorn goes or Vinny, there has to be an overhaul of the coaching staff. Find out if Blache and Bugel are truly committed to another year on the team, move Jackson, Hixon, and Smith out of here the day after the last game. Start there.

I think Blache should go. He wanted to retire anyway, we convinced him to stick around. We need a coach who cares about sacks and turnovers. Those kind of momentum swings affect games way too heavily to not put a premium on them.

Jackson, Hixon, and Smith need to go immediately, I agree there. If Buges wants to stay, he's earned that right. It's not his fault our line is old and injured.

With Holmgren leaving the Seahawks, I don't know to what extent the rest of their staff will get "blown up," but I think brining in their receivers coach would be smart if possible.

[maroonandblack30]

Originally Posted by GMScud

I think Blache should go. He wanted to retire anyway, we convinced him to stick around. We need a coach who cares about sacks and turnovers. Those kind of momentum swings affect games way too heavily to not put a premium on them.

Jackson, Hixon, and Smith need to go immediately, I agree there. If Buges wants to stay, he's earned that right. It's not his fault our line is old and injured.

With Holmgren leaving the Seahawks, I don't know to what extent the rest of their staff will get "blown up," but I think brining in their receivers coach would be smart if possible.

The fact that our 3 rookie recievers can't even get on the field has to at least make the FO LOOK at Hixon. Especially if you look at the production of other rookie recievers around the league.

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by maroonandblack30

The fact that our 3 rookie recievers can't even get on the field has to at least make the FO LOOK at Hixon. Especially if you look at the production of other rookie recievers around the league.

No doubt. Hixon and Danny Smith need to go right away. Like yesterday.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by firstdown

What do you mean by classic front office speak. He said they have not discussed the issue so I would think that looks better for Zorn. If they are talking about the issue then they would be talking about letting him go.

I agree. Sure I would like a solid affirmation. But this is the next best thing. Would you rather hear "We've discussed JZ's status at length and he is staying"?? I'ld rather think that they made this decision last year, and it is what it is. Period. End of statement.
I hope.

[Dirtbag59]

Can anyone tell me if we have any chance in hell of getting my latest man crush Eric DeCosta or are we doomed to have Vinny, who's STILL talking about Recievers on his radio show to lead us into to football oblivion?