Voter Fraud In Ohio

[4mrusmc]

I think Joe The Plumber would make a damn good President. He looks like a no none-sense kind of guy. The kind of guy you like to have on your side in a bar fight.

A seemingly ambitious kind of guy who is trying to live the American dream by wanting to own a buisness and employ people so that they can earn an honest living also.

[saden1]

Originally Posted by 4mrusmc

I think Joe The Plumber would make a damn good President. He looks like a no none-sense kind of guy. The kind of guy you like to have on your side in a bar fight.

A seemingly ambitious kind of guy who is trying to live the American dream by wanting to own a buisness and employ people so that they can earn an honest living also.

Really? He looks and talks like a Republican hack. The schmuck even admitted Obama's plan would benefit him more.





BTW you get taxed on Net Income (profit) not Gross Income. Joe the Plumber is a wanker unqualified to do any plumbing work at my house let alone the presidency.

[dmek25]

it seems like the only time we hear of voting improprieties is when the Republicans are behind in the polls. ho- hum

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

LOL did you see SNL last night? Joe the Plumber lives in a box under his bed and is only 3 1/2 inches tall, with Simon the unicorn... hilarious

I liked when the SNL Obama spoke to McCain's imaginary friend

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by saden1

Really? He looks and talks like a Republican hack. The schmuck even admitted Obama's plan would benefit him more.





BTW you get taxed on Net Income (profit) not Gross Income. Joe the Plumber is a wanker unqualified to do any plumbing work at my house let alone the presidency.

Wrong, Obama's plan will tax any business making over 250,000 and no where does he state that its net income. He himself says any business making over $250,000.

Saden you post the YouTube clips of people pointing out their hate or meanness but you have called allot of people names and called this guy a smuck for no good reason. I guess that the liberal way.

[saden1]

firstdown, you don't know what you're talking about. Go talk to your accountant or tax guy about what I have said.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by saden1

firstdown you don't know what you're talking about. Go talk to your accountant or tax guy about what I have said.

I have and he is not sure how the plan will change things because of lack of details. I did ask Obama's camp when they called my house and they could not answer the question nor did they call me back with the answer like they said they would. Obama' says business making over $250,000 will see a tax increase but he does not define what that means in anything that I have read and even his own staffers don't know. I'm taking it as gross receipts until someone can show me something different.

[saden1]

Oh and calling the dude a schmuck is a fair assessment based on a) asking a question he can easily attain the answer to himself, b) the fact that he isn't a licensed plumber, c) the fact that he owes back taxes, and d) his admission that he would fair better under Obama's after shitting on it interview after interview.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by saden1

Oh and calling the dude a schmuck is a fair assessment based on a) asking a question he can easily attain the answer to himself, b) the fact that he isn't a licensed plumber, c) the fact that he owes back taxes, and d) his admission that he would fair better under Obama's after shitting on it interview after interview.

If your saying that clip said he would be better off under Obama's plan I did not here him say that. What does him having a plumbing lic have to do with this? I have owed back taxes before but it was not becasue I did not pay them its because I did not pay enough. So you pay a penalty on the payment of the back taxes so that does not prove anything. Its funny how the liberal press is doing back ground checking on Joe the plumber to discredit him some how. Just shows how they will do anything to win and here in Va they are now going to the jails to get inmates to vote absentee. It just seems if their not for Obama their schmok or what ever hateful names the left uses.

Also you jumping on the guy for asking Obama a question? One that even Obama's staffers could not answer for me. Hmmm.

[saden1]

Originally Posted by firstdown

I have and he is not sure how the plan will change things because of lack of details. I did ask Obama's camp when they called my house and they could not answer the question nor did they call me back with the answer like they said they would. Obama' says business making over $250,000 will see a tax increase but he does not define what that means in anything that I have read and even his own staffers don't know. I'm taking it as gross receipts until someone can show me something different.

There is detail but in order to really, I mean really, understand the plan you have to first know the basics of accounting and taxation. I doubt Obama volunteers calling your home know this though I am surprised and find it troublesome that your accountant/tax guy doesn't know the details of his plan.

Basically, if you have 250K in revenue from your business and your expenses are 100K that means your take home is 150K (250K-100K=150K) and Obama isn't going to tax you more. In fact you're going to get a tax cut, not a big one but a cut nonetheless.

If on the other hand you have 280K in revenue and your expenses are 25K that means your take home is 255K (you're balling) then Obama is going to hit you for that extra 5K. He'll take ~39% of that 5K which is ~2K that's about it.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by saden1

There is detail but in order to really, I mean really, understand the plan you have to first know the basics of accounting and taxation. I doubt Obama volunteers calling your home know this though I am surprised and find it troublesome that your accountant/tax guy doesn't know the details of his plan.

Basically, if you have 250K in revenue from your business and your expenses are 100K that means your take home is 150K (250K-100K=150K) and Obama isn't going to tax you more. In fact you're going to get a tax cut, not a big one but a cut nonetheless.

If on the other hand you have 280K in revenue and your expenses are 25K that means your take home is 255K (you're balling) then Obama is going to hit you for that extra 5K. He'll take ~39% of that 5K which is ~2K that's about it.

I understand how corporations work I just find it funny no one can show me his plan and how it will really works. If my business brings in $280,000 then its has made $280,000 and by Obama saying he will only tax business that make over 250,000 then I'm assuming that the business making the $280,000 will see a tax increase. No where have I seen or heard Obama say businesses with a net income over 250,000 will see a tax increase. I would think he would insert the word net income if thats what his plan really does but all I ever hear is businesses making over 250,000.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by firstdown

If your saying that clip said he would be better off under Obama's plan I did not here him say that. What does him having a plumbing lic have to do with this? I have owed back taxes before but it was not becasue I did not pay them its because I did not pay enough. So you pay a penalty on the payment of the back taxes so that does not prove anything. Its funny how the liberal press is doing back ground checking on Joe the plumber to discredit him some how. Just shows how they will do anything to win and here in Va they are now going to the jails to get inmates to vote absentee. It just seems if their not for Obama their schmok or what ever hateful names the left uses.

Also you jumping on the guy for asking Obama a question? One that even Obama's staffers could not answer for me. Hmmm.

I thought it was funny the Republicans didn't do their homework on good old Joe before making him the poster child of the last debate.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

I thought it was funny the Republicans didn't do their homework on good old Joe before making him the poster child of the last debate.

All they did was use him as an example and the liberal media is the one running with all of this stuff. Its pretty bad when a man can just ask a question of a person running for office then he has the media hounding him and doing back ground checking like he is running for office. You guys say McCain is running smear adds but this is even worse because he was just a guy who asked a question and is an everyday American. Now the liberal media feels the need to do a back ground checks on him?

[MTK]

Seems they should have just used a better example if they didn't want him being exposed.

[saden1]

Originally Posted by firstdown

I understand how corporations work I just find it funny no one can show me his plan and how it will really works.

All the info you need can be found here.

Full Obama Tax Plan

Comparison of the Obama and McCain Tax Plans

Key Facts About Obama and Taxes

Originally Posted by firstdown

If my business brings in $280,000 then its has made $280,000 and by Obama saying he will only tax business that make over 250,000 then I'm assuming that the business making the $280,000 will see a tax increase.

You are correct in your assessment though I would it is given that if people making under 250K won't see a tax increase people making over 250K will see a tax increase. This is 1 + 1 = 2 stuff.

Originally Posted by firstdown

No where have I seen or heard Obama say businesses with a net income over 250,000 will see a tax increase. I would think he would insert the word net income if thats what his plan really does but all I ever hear is businesses making over 250,000.

Are you being facetious? Companies are never taxed on gross income...never, ever, ever! If we started taxing companies based on gross income that would be the end of capitalism. What you are implying that since he didn't use the word net that we don't really know what he means. When someone talks about increasing/decreasing taxes they are talking about increasing/decreasing taxes on taxable income (take home monies after deductions), capice?