Kudos to Dan Snyder and Vinny Cerrato

[steveo395]

Yea this offseason has pretty much gone perfectly so far, but that could all change once the games start. But hopefully Zorn will be the man and Campbell will break out

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by sportscurmudgeon

Let me be clear. The title of this thread is not sarcastic. I want to praise these two men for what they have done in this off-season.

Everyone here knows that I have been more than slightly critical of these men in the past for their football decisions. Now I want to say they did something very good for the team.

Let me begin by defining what I mean by a "starter" in the NFL. A "starter" is someone who a team puts in a starting position on opening day. If that "starter" has a season ending injury early in the season - - say the second game - - and another player steps in and starts all or most of the rest of the games at that position, then that second player is also a "starter".

With that definition, I believe there are only two teams in the NFL who have not lost any of their "starters" in this off-season. Those two teams would be the Cleveland Browns and the Washington Redskins.

Continuity is important to a football team; the Redskins have not had a lot of that in recent years. Building on your team via the draft is important to a football team; the Redskins have not done that very well in recent years.

But this year they have done it and so Kudos to Dan Snyder and Vinny Cerrato.

Are u nuts? They almost gave up 2 first round draft picks for a 30 year old crybaby wr who wants a new contract. The only thing that saved them from their own stupidity was Mike Brown, who is even dumber ( than Vinny and Dan) when it comes to football IQ.

On top of that they get rid of Greg Williams who we all know was the best man for the job. Who cares if you're not butt buddies? This isn't the business of being raquetball butt buddies. Snyder will never ever understand this. He wants someone to coach his team that he can be friends with.

Then....right when JC was about to master Al's offense you fire Saunders for a guy who has never called plays or ran an NFL offense. That guy runs a version of the west coast offesne so JC has to learn yet ANOTHER offense.

One top of all that Vinny has a VERY questionable draft by taking a lazy ass TE when we already have a pro bowl TE. Then you take Reinhart who played against scrubs and wasn't projected to go until the later rounds.

Sorry but I'm not giving any kudos to these two.

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Are u nuts? They almost gave up 2 first round draft picks for a 30 year old crybaby wr who wants a new contract. The only thing that saved them from their own stupidity was Mike Brown, who is even dumber ( than Vinny and Dan) when it comes to football IQ.

On top of that they get rid of Greg Williams who we all know was the best man for the job. Who cares if you're not butt buddies? This isn't the business of being raquetball butt buddies. Snyder will never ever understand this. He wants someone to coach his team that he can be friends with.

Then....right when JC was about to master Al's offense you fire Saunders for a guy who has never called plays or ran an NFL offense. That guy runs a version of the west coast offesne so JC has to learn yet ANOTHER offense.

One top of all that Vinny has a VERY questionable draft by taking a lazy ass TE when we already have a pro bowl TE. Then you take Reinhart who played against scrubs and wasn't projected to go until the later rounds.

Sorry but I'm not giving any kudos to these two.

first, that's a mighty assumption right there, and second, he's played in a form of WCO in college.

third, what happens if cooley gets hurt?

fourth, you know who else they picked in the third round after he "played against scrubs"? his name's chris cooley.

[redsk1]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Are u nuts? They almost gave up 2 first round draft picks for a 30 year old crybaby wr who wants a new contract. The only thing that saved them from their own stupidity was Mike Brown, who is even dumber ( than Vinny and Dan) when it comes to football IQ.

On top of that they get rid of Greg Williams who we all know was the best man for the job. Who cares if you're not butt buddies? This isn't the business of being raquetball butt buddies. Snyder will never ever understand this. He wants someone to coach his team that he can be friends with.

Then....right when JC was about to master Al's offense you fire Saunders for a guy who has never called plays or ran an NFL offense. That guy runs a version of the west coast offesne so JC has to learn yet ANOTHER offense.

One top of all that Vinny has a VERY questionable draft by taking a lazy ass TE when we already have a pro bowl TE. Then you take Reinhart who played against scrubs and wasn't projected to go until the later rounds.

Sorry but I'm not giving any kudos to these two.

I'll disagree w/ you on the draft as i think we did a pretty good job this year. I'll also disagree on JC mastering Al Saunders O.

I do agree that i think getting rid of Gregg W. was a mistake and we may see the lack of overachieving on D this year. I hope not, but GW had a way of getting more w/ less. Blache...well we really don't know.

Regardless, if you like Al S. he is a proven commodity. You don't have top rated O's year after year if you don't know what you are doing. He knows what he's doing. Did he have all of the tools here? Was he undercut by Gibbs? Whatever the reason, it never panned out but it had only been 2 seasons. BTW, he was hamstrung by Gibbs.

As far as Vinny and Danny...wins and losses?

[bertoskins2]

my kudos also it wa nice right now

[memphisskin]

I think I sense some sarcasm, if only because its not like any of our stars were in jeopardy of leaving this offseason. So in actuality, Dan and Vinny are getting kudos for not doing anything, so it is a sarcastic post! Way to go SC!!!

But seriously, I'd really like to wait to see how the preseason plays out at least before congratulating or denigrating the efforts of DS and VC. Keeping a squad together with some considerable holes (DE, DT, S other than LaRon) that were not addressed on draft day or in free agency is not really a win to me. Did we get better by standing still?

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Are u nuts? They almost gave up 2 first round draft picks for a 30 year old crybaby wr who wants a new contract. The only thing that saved them from their own stupidity was Mike Brown, who is even dumber ( than Vinny and Dan) when it comes to football IQ.

On top of that they get rid of Greg Williams who we all know was the best man for the job. Who cares if you're not butt buddies? This isn't the business of being raquetball butt buddies. Snyder will never ever understand this. He wants someone to coach his team that he can be friends with.

Then....right when JC was about to master Al's offense you fire Saunders for a guy who has never called plays or ran an NFL offense. That guy runs a version of the west coast offesne so JC has to learn yet ANOTHER offense.

One top of all that Vinny has a VERY questionable draft by taking a lazy ass TE when we already have a pro bowl TE. Then you take Reinhart who played against scrubs and wasn't projected to go until the later rounds.

Sorry but I'm not giving any kudos to these two.

Sorry for going OT but...

Why all the man love for Grilliams? We had good defenses statistically generally while he was here, but with 4 first round picks (RIP Sean) in the secondary, proven veterans on the line (Carter, Griffin, Daniels) and at LB (Fletcher, Washington) shouldn't we have a good D?? It's not like we are running street free agents out there and having a top 10 defense.

For all that Gregg (second G for genius of course) did, we were consistently near the bottom of the league in generating turnovers, near the bottom in defensive touchdowns, middle of the pack in sacks and middle of the pack in scoring defense. Those are the categories that reflect a defense that helps teams win games. Who cares if we are top 5 in YPG (the measure they use) if we aren't getting key stops and getting the ball back for the offense, that's a hollow statistic.

Let's also not forget that his defense gave up 6 2nd half leads last year, including the Seattle game. Now I've been one of the biggest Gibbs/Saunders-late game play calling bashers, but other than the GB game, the offense didn't give the opposing team any points that flipped the scoreboard.

Most of the defensive players credited Blache for last year's improvement, citing his influence on simplifying schemes, letting players just play rather than think about the numerous stunts and blitzes Grilliams tried to implement. I think we're going to be fine defensively, hopefully increase turnovers and put some points on the board.

[rypper11]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

Sorry for going OT but...

Why all the man love for Grilliams? We had good defenses statistically generally while he was here, but with 4 first round picks (RIP Sean) in the secondary, proven veterans on the line (Carter, Griffin, Daniels) and at LB (Fletcher, Washington) shouldn't we have a good D?? It's not like we are running street free agents out there and having a top 10 defense.

For all that Gregg (second G for genius of course) did, we were consistently near the bottom of the league in generating turnovers, near the bottom in defensive touchdowns, middle of the pack in sacks and middle of the pack in scoring defense. Those are the categories that reflect a defense that helps teams win games. Who cares if we are top 5 in YPG (the measure they use) if we aren't getting key stops and getting the ball back for the offense, that's a hollow statistic.

Let's also not forget that his defense gave up 6 2nd half leads last year, including the Seattle game. Now I've been one of the biggest Gibbs/Saunders-late game play calling bashers, but other than the GB game, the offense didn't give the opposing team any points that flipped the scoreboard.

Most of the defensive players credited Blache for last year's improvement, citing his influence on simplifying schemes, letting players just play rather than think about the numerous stunts and blitzes Grilliams tried to implement. I think we're going to be fine defensively, hopefully increase turnovers and put some points on the board.

I think the best thing the FO did this year was going with Blache as DC. If he would have had any interest he would have gotten the HC position and done a great job. I am a fan of Grilliams but too many conflicting egos hurts even a good team. We'll have to rely on the defense for a year or two but if the offense can keep TO's to a minimum and score more than 13 points a game we should be competitive.

We'll see if they can keep the slow and steady approach after an 8-8 season and eradict play from the offense. I hope so.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Are u nuts? They almost gave up 2 first round draft picks for a 30 year old crybaby wr who wants a new contract. The only thing that saved them from their own stupidity was Mike Brown, who is even dumber ( than Vinny and Dan) when it comes to football IQ.

On top of that they get rid of Greg Williams who we all know was the best man for the job. Who cares if you're not butt buddies? This isn't the business of being raquetball butt buddies. Snyder will never ever understand this. He wants someone to coach his team that he can be friends with.

Then....right when JC was about to master Al's offense you fire Saunders for a guy who has never called plays or ran an NFL offense. That guy runs a version of the west coast offesne so JC has to learn yet ANOTHER offense.

One top of all that Vinny has a VERY questionable draft by taking a lazy ass TE when we already have a pro bowl TE. Then you take Reinhart who played against scrubs and wasn't projected to go until the later rounds.

Sorry but I'm not giving any kudos to these two.

We have a winner here.

[djnemo65]

I love how everyone complains when the team restructures the roster then complains when they don't, complains when they chase names then complains when they draft players from smaller schools whose competition in college wasn't tough enough, complains when they don't prepare for injuries with adequate depth then complains when they draft players at positions in which there is already an established starter.

We don't know how the season will turn out but the fact that they kept an entire playoff roster intact, while upgrading the talent level at several offensive positions through the draft, is unequivocally a good thing, and I think that is all SC was trying to say.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by That Guy

first, that's a mighty assumption right there, and second, he's played in a form of WCO in college.

third, what happens if cooley gets hurt?

fourth, you know who else they picked in the third round after he "played against scrubs"? his name's chris cooley.

I heard JC on the radio say it himself. Plus look at some of the games. He was running that no huddle to perfection when conservative ass Gibbs actually let him do it. You have to look around in your own division. Is McNabb learning a new offense year after year after year? Nope. It just puts everyone back to square one when all the teams around you go into camp already knowing the playbook. Trust me. It's a pretty big deal. And it's not just the QB. The WR's have a learning curve too.

I'm just questioning the drafting of Davis. It could be a good move. But I'm not giving any kudos until the season starts. That's when we'll see. The guy was lazy as hell at USC, was always late to meetings and didn't work hard. Didn't put in the extra work to get better. But that was also said about A. Montgomery too so lets hope Davis learns to become a pro both on and off the field like AM has.

Cooley played at a division one school. Yes Utah State isn't the SEC but they do play Pac Ten teams. They do play good divison one competition.
Look, I'm not saying guys that that play at small schools can't play in the NFL. That's silly. But Reinhart was a 5th or 6th rounder on everyone's board. I hope he turns out to be a good player but the pick was questionable when we had so many other needs.

[sportscurmudgeon]

Folks:

The Skins' FO supposedly chased CJ to the point where they supposedly offered a really big price for him.

That's conjecture. Here's a fact:


That deal never happened. I would not have been happy with a deal of the kind that was widely reported but I don't have to get my knickers in a knot over it because - - It ... never ... happened.


By the way, the Skins' FO may also have considered moving training camp this year to the Xygork Nebula. That would have been a bad idea. But they didn't to that either...

Will the off-season restraint shown by Danny Boy and Vinnie Boombatz assure the Skins of a Super Bowl slot? Of course not.

But I like the idea that there are so many players showing up at the beginning of training camp who have shown that they can actually perform on the field at the level of an NFL playoff team.

If you want to look at this from a negative perspective, the new coaching staff can obviously f*ck this up with incompetence or irrationality. The Redskins COULD be 6-10 this year; and if they are, you can point the finger at the guys on the sideline and in the coaches' booth - - because the players have shown they can perform at a higher level that that.

The Skins can also go 4-12 this year if the football gods decide to heap injuries on the team and make the ball bounce away from the Skins all season long.

But as the team goes into training camp with everyone as healthy and fit as one can expect them to be at this point in the calendar, the Skins' FO has done well by the players on the team. They have a legitmate shot at the playoffs and a legitimate shot at playing in the NFC title game. This isn't "fanboy talk"; the Skins can make this happen with a relatively injury-free season and some breaks along the way. I do NOT think the Skins are the best team in the NFC, but they are one of the teams "in the mix" to make it deep into the playoffs where anything can happen.

Are the Skins my pick for the NFC rep to the Super Bowl as of July 2008? No, they are not. But they are closer to being in the Super Bowl than they are to having a pick in the top five of the draft in 2009...

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

Sorry for going OT but...

Why all the man love for Grilliams? We had good defenses statistically generally while he was here, but with 4 first round picks (RIP Sean) in the secondary, proven veterans on the line (Carter, Griffin, Daniels) and at LB (Fletcher, Washington) shouldn't we have a good D?? It's not like we are running street free agents out there and having a top 10 defense.

For all that Gregg (second G for genius of course) did, we were consistently near the bottom of the league in generating turnovers, near the bottom in defensive touchdowns, middle of the pack in sacks and middle of the pack in scoring defense. Those are the categories that reflect a defense that helps teams win games. Who cares if we are top 5 in YPG (the measure they use) if we aren't getting key stops and getting the ball back for the offense, that's a hollow statistic.

Let's also not forget that his defense gave up 6 2nd half leads last year, including the Seattle game. Now I've been one of the biggest Gibbs/Saunders-late game play calling bashers, but other than the GB game, the offense didn't give the opposing team any points that flipped the scoreboard.

Most of the defensive players credited Blache for last year's improvement, citing his influence on simplifying schemes, letting players just play rather than think about the numerous stunts and blitzes Grilliams tried to implement. I think we're going to be fine defensively, hopefully increase turnovers and put some points on the board.

We don't have any playmakers on the front 7. Yes we have solid guys but where are the guys that cause havoc? That's why we don't have turnovers and sacks.

And I'm not blaming the defesne for giving up leads when our offese got so conservative it's wasn't even funny.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Giantone

We have a winner here.

I'm still shaking my head over the trade offer for Chad Johnson. Mike Brown is really stupid for not taking that deal.

[sandtrapjack]

Originally Posted by That Guy

DE WR right? we tried for cj and got the 3 highest rated pass catcher in the draft, so... also covered safety with ss and drafted some warm bodies, got 3 quality OL depth prospects, and even got a couple DEs that won't do us all that much good.

Rare is the rookie WR or DE that comes in their first year and is an impact player. Rare indeed.